Dude, he isn't even trolling... You hopped on a boat defending Hoffman and now you can't get off while it's sinking. Everything he is saying is logical - you don't just walk into a court and get a restraining order because you feel like it and you don't have wives of current and former players saying this is true if it isn't.

Hoffman has been dating this girl since he was in like Grade 10 or something like that, you really think he doesn't know of her character and reputation, let alone what shes capable and doing behind the scenes?
- tryhard

I dated a girl for 8 years and found out a whole mess of stuff I had no idea about after we broke up.

Imagine that but on a bigger scale with millions of dollars and a guy who is away traveling around the country. He may have heard rumors. asked and she said they aren't true and because of their relationship. He believed her. That is not unreasonable at all.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be ruining someones reputation, life and career until it's proven.

Filing for a retraining order (Still not confirmed if it was approved or not), and a bunch of catty wives saying "she seems like a crazy girl" is not proof at all it's accusations. If they prove it and charges are laid, I'll be the first one in line to say get rid of him. but until then I don't think it's fair to do that to someone. I have the same stance on the Randy Lee situation.... Innocent until proven guilty

The team has far more issues than one insane girlfriend and most of it stems with ownership.

Best case scenario, and not entirely unlikely based on current rumors, the team gets sold after the draft. Hoffman gets traded at the draft as well.

The new ownership immediately fires the GM and assistant GM and spends the summer looking for replacements. New ownership itself negotiates a long-term deal directly with Karlsson showing that they want/need to keep him around.

Outside of these things happening, I feel as though Ottawa is doomed next year. Fans aren't going to come out to support this circus. Hopefully Eugene finally sees the writing on the wall and does what's best for everybody (including his own wallet).
- Charliebox

I feel for the fans. I agree the owner is a joke and you're also right about the fans not coming out to watch this train wreck. Maybe then he will realize he needs to sell and the team can start over from top to bottom. Only time will tell I guess...

huh?
- FLAM3SFAN

he says dumb claims like that

- Not_Yan

I dated a girl for 8 years and found out a whole mess of stuff I had no idea about after we broke up.

Imagine that but on a bigger scale with millions of dollars and a guy who is away traveling around the country. He may have heard rumors. asked and she said they aren't true and because of their relationship. He believed her. That is not unreasonable at all.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be ruining someones reputation, life and career until it's proven.

Filing for a retraining order (Still not confirmed if it was approved or not), and a bunch of catty wives saying "she seems like a crazy girl" is not proof at all it's accusations. If they prove it and charges are laid, I'll be the first one in line to say get rid of him. but until then I don't think it's fair to do that to someone. I have the same stance on the Randy Lee situation.... Innocent until proven guilty
- Maverick1818

Dude just stop already, you are making yourself look worse and worse every time. You are trying to white knight defend Hoffman and in the process of doing this unintentionally discrediting karlssons

Dude just stop already, you are making yourself look worse and worse every time. You are trying to white knight defend Hoffman and in the process of doing this unintentionally discrediting karlssons
- DDM-Coga

i just waiting for the karlssons are only doing this to sue hoffman and get money line...

i just waiting for the karlssons are only doing this to sue hoffman and get money line...
- Tumbleweed

What’s next, the karlssons are guilty of doxxing her burner accounts

This guys take are just too hot

Dude just stop already, you are making yourself look worse and worse every time. You are trying to white knight defend Hoffman and in the process of doing this unintentionally discrediting karlssons
- DDM-Coga

I'm not at all and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks about me, I'm not going to blame Hoffman or anyone else until I have all the facts and can make my own decision about it. Same as with the Randy Lee situation, I'll never throw someone under the bus until it's proven what that did or didn't do. All i'm saying is the until proven otherwise we shouldn't be blaming Hoffman or anyone else.

I am in no way discrediting Karlsson. I didn't even mention Karlsson. It's a know fact that groups of females get "Catty" when socializing. So if Hoffman's gf has a reputation or is full on crazy. They will be the ones to gossip about it.

I dated a girl for 8 years and found out a whole mess of stuff I had no idea about after we broke up.

Imagine that but on a bigger scale with millions of dollars and a guy who is away traveling around the country. He may have heard rumors. asked and she said they aren't true and because of their relationship. He believed her. That is not unreasonable at all.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be ruining someones reputation, life and career until it's proven.

Filing for a retraining order (Still not confirmed if it was approved or not), and a bunch of catty wives saying "she seems like a crazy girl" is not proof at all it's accusations. If they prove it and charges are laid, I'll be the first one in line to say get rid of him. but until then I don't think it's fair to do that to someone. I have the same stance on the Randy Lee situation.... Innocent until proven guilty
- Maverick1818

Mentioning Randy Lee is not helping you.

I'm not at all and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks about me, I'm not going to blame Hoffman or anyone else until I have all the facts and can make my own decision about it. Same as with the Randy Lee situation, I'll never throw someone under the bus until it's proven what that did or didn't do. All i'm saying is the until proven otherwise we shouldn't be blaming Hoffman or anyone else.

I am in no way discrediting Karlsson. I didn't even mention Karlsson. It's a know fact that groups of females get "Catty" when socializing. So if Hoffman's gf has a reputation or is full on crazy. They will be the ones to gossip about it.
- Maverick1818

Players wife gets harassed for months...other player wives comment to show support based on what they probably have heard and saw with their time with the team.

NO they are just being Catty! They are women thats what they do....dude I dont think you will find one person who will agree on you with this.

Its fine to wait to make a judgement on the situation, but you arent doing yourself any favours, you are making yourself look worse with you trying to defend the allegations. So in your mind are the Karlssons now guilty bc Hoffmans are innocent until facts come out or in your magical world everyong is innocent and its just a big misunderstanding.

I dated a girl for 8 years and found out a whole mess of stuff I had no idea about after we broke up.

Imagine that but on a bigger scale with millions of dollars and a guy who is away traveling around the country. He may have heard rumors. asked and she said they aren't true and because of their relationship. He believed her. That is not unreasonable at all.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be ruining someones reputation, life and career until it's proven.

Filing for a retraining order (Still not confirmed if it was approved or not), and a bunch of catty wives saying "she seems like a crazy girl" is not proof at all it's accusations. If they prove it and charges are laid, I'll be the first one in line to say get rid of him. but until then I don't think it's fair to do that to someone. I have the same stance on the Randy Lee situation.... Innocent until proven guilty
- Maverick1818

You are absolutely right that we don’t know the full story.

And while I am far from an expert on these matters, it seems to me there is a possibility Hoffman’s fiancée is not responsible.

But you are being woefully ignorant if you think this can be smoothed over with a hug, handshake and sharing a plate of nachos.

The relationship is broken beyond repair.

How you cannot see this baffles me.

You are absolutely right that we don’t know the full story.

And while I am far from an expert on these matters, it seems to me there is a possibility Hoffman’s fiancée is not responsible.

But you are being woefully ignorant if you think this can be smoothed over with a hug, handshake and sharing a plate of nachos.

The relationship is broken beyond repair.

How you cannot see this baffles me.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm not saying at all repairing the team mates relationship would be easy but nothing is beyond repair, it depends on what Hoffman and Karlsson want. If they want to try to fix things, then yes move forward and try. If not then that's a whole different situation.

All I'm saying is that we should condemn anyone until something is 100% proven

I'm not saying at all repairing the team mates relationship would be easy but nothing is beyond repair, it depends on what Hoffman and Karlsson want. If they want to try to fix things, then yes move forward and try. If not then that's a whole different situation.

All I'm saying is that we should condemn anyone until something is 100% proven
- Maverick1818

I realize this is a typo, but damn, it’s funny.

And seriously, the relationship is beyond repair.

Players wife gets harassed for months...other player wives comment to show support based on what they probably have heard and saw with their time with the team.

NO they are just being Catty! They are women thats what they do....dude I dont think you will find one person who will agree on you with this.

Its fine to wait to make a judgement on the situation, but you arent doing yourself any favours, you are making yourself look worse with you trying to defend the allegations. So in your mind are the Karlssons now guilty bc Hoffmans are innocent until facts come out or in your magical world everyong is innocent and its just a big misunderstanding.
- DDM-Coga

I have never once said anything bad at all about Karlsson or his wife throughout this whole situation. It's a horrible situation that I wouldn't want to be in and I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It's not a "Magical world", it's innocent until proven guilty, that's how our society is supposed to work and in my opinion I feel like that is fair for everyone involved. But you coming on here acting all high and mighty like you always do, and trying to put words in my mouth and make me out to be the "bad guy" for not jumping to conclusions. That's your problem, not mine.

I couldn't care less about "finding anyone who agrees with me" or not. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of me. If anyone has anything bad about me to say they can go jump in front of traffic for all I care.

All I've said is that we shouldn't be blaming anyone before all the facts are known. Especially when a guys career is on the line because of it.

I realize this is a typo, but damn, it’s funny.

And seriously, the relationship is beyond repair.
- Atomic Wedgie

he has glossed over the quote multiple times from Hoffmans agent that says it would be very difficult for Mike and Erik to co-exist in the same dressing room

Its wild that he has his head in the sand about a lot of what has been reported already

I realize this is a typo, but damn, it’s funny.

And seriously, the relationship is beyond repair.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hahaha this is a bit funny, my bad, and it very well may be. But facts are facts and right now the facts are the Hoffman has said it wasn't him and as far as he knows, not his gf either. He's also said he wants to do anything to help the situation to try and resolve it.

Yes that is just Media talk, but it's certainly a good start on Hoffman's part.

I have never once said anything bad at all about Karlsson or his wife throughout this whole situation. It's a horrible situation that I wouldn't want to be in and I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It's not a "Magical world", it's innocent until proven guilty, that's how our society is supposed to work and in my opinion I feel like that is fair for everyone involved. But you coming on here acting all high and mighty like you always do, and trying to put words in my mouth and make me out to be the "bad guy" for not jumping to conclusions. That's your problem, not mine.

I couldn't care less about "finding anyone who agrees with me" or not. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of me. If anyone has anything bad about me to say they can go jump in front of traffic for all I care.

All I've said is that we shouldn't be blaming anyone before all the facts are known. Especially when a guys career is on the line because of it.
- Maverick1818

but you do realize with the way you are defending hoffman you are casting doubt and credibility to the Karlssons claim and in the process making them seem like liars in your pursuit to make people tink that Hoffman is completely innocent. Saying there is no proof (besides Karlssons words) and that people close to the situation and on lookers are just Catty Women....thats making a stance, not waiting to make a judgement

No one is innocent here, this this is a messy situation that has never been seen in sports before. You dont just shake hands and move on. These are some serious allegations. No matter the outcome, there will be a stigma attacked to Hoffman, thats what happens in these situations, in a social media world its hard to recover from these sort of things. Knowing or not knowing, Hoffman has been dragged into the heart of this situation and is part of it.

No one is blaming, im not blaming Mike Hoffman as a vile villain, but the case against his fiancee does not look great, and the quotes and other nuggets of information that have come out do not look great for him too so he wont be coming out clean regardless of the outcome.

You really need to look at this as a whole, this is a messy situation that no one wins from. Karlsson, Hoffman, the sens, the fans of the team...no one is going to win with this outcome. How and why it got to this, no one knows yet, but there is no going back.

Loud noises.

atleast you showing up here show's you care/have interest in the team
- AlfieisKing

Bad publicity? Never heard of it.
Hoffman gets 2 1sts and a 2nd

but you do realize with the way you are defending hoffman you are casting doubt and credibility to the Karlssons claim and in the process making them seem like liars in your pursuit to make people tink that Hoffman is completely innocent. Saying there is no proof (besides Karlssons words) and that people close to the situation and on lookers are just Catty Women....thats making a stance, not waiting to make a judgement

No one is innocent here, this this is a messy situation that has never been seen in sports before. You dont just shake hands and move on. These are some serious allegations. No matter the outcome, there will be a stigma attacked to Hoffman, thats what happens in these situations, in a social media world its hard to recover from these sort of things. Knowing or not knowing, Hoffman has been dragged into the heart of this situation and is part of it.

No one is blaming, im not blaming Mike Hoffman as a vile villain, but the case against his fiancee does not look great, and the quotes and other nuggets of information that have come out do not look great for him too so he wont be coming out clean regardless of the outcome.

You really need to look at this as a whole, this is a messy situation that no one wins from. Karlsson, Hoffman, the sens, the fans of the team...no one is going to win with this outcome. How and why it got to this, no one knows yet, but there is no going back.
- DDM-Coga

That is literally my point!

In saying we shouldn't blame Hoffman or anyone else. Say it turns out that He and his gf are 100% innocent. (just as an example).

This will still follow him around the rest of his career. That's why I don't like that people are already blaming Hoffman and his gf before everything is worked out.

I have the same issue with the Randy Lee situation. Even if it turns out he is innocent, People will assume it was covered up or whatever and it will follow him around for the rest of his career.

Hoffman has clearly said, it's not the one doing it and wanted to help anyway he can. So even though that may be just PR talk. the fact is that he still said it so we have to assume he wants to help.

That is literally my point!

In saying we shouldn't blame Hoffman or anyone else. Say it turns out that He and his gf are 100% innocent. (just as an example).

This will still follow him around the rest of his career. That's why I don't like that people are already blaming Hoffman and his gf before everything is worked out.

I have the same issue with the Randy Lee situation. Even if it turns out he is innocent, People will assume it was covered up or whatever and it will follow him around for the rest of his career.

Hoffman has clearly said, it's not the one doing it and wanted to help anyway he can. So even though that may be just PR talk. the fact is that he still said it so we have to assume he wants to help.
- Maverick1818

You are not saying it properly though, you have been borderline victim shaming and under mining the facts and reports to date. Which is the complete ass backwards way to try to hold off judgement. C

But you are not realizing if Hoffman is "100% innocent" then that puts the Karlssons in a very bad light as well for going after them. No one wins and with what has been said to date, Hoffman cant be 100% innocent

The Lee situation is just the Sens being complete out of touch....you do not allow a guy who is being accused of sexually harassing 19 year kid be able to go tot he draft to be around 18 and 19 year old kids. You are just opening yourself up to a PR nightmare for not taking the allegations seriously enough. Innocent or not, you dont allow this to happen to try to stay away from the headlines

You are not saying it properly though, you have been borderline victim shaming and under mining the facts and reports to date. Which is the complete ass backwards way to try to hold off judgement. C

But you are not realizing if Hoffman is "100% innocent" then that puts the Karlssons in a very bad light as well for going after them. No one wins and with what has been said to date, Hoffman cant be 100% innocent

The Lee situation is just the Sens being complete out of touch....you do not allow a guy who is being accused of sexually harassing 19 year kid be able to go tot he draft to be around 18 and 19 year old kids. You are just opening yourself up to a PR nightmare for not taking the allegations seriously enough. Innocent or not, you dont allow this to happen to try to stay away from the headlines
- DDM-Coga

good point. if he's found guilty, it's going to look awfully bad on the NHL (and sens) if he was allowed on the draft stage to put his arm around an 18 year kid.

good point. if he's found guilty, it's going to look awfully bad on the NHL (and sens) if he was allowed on the draft stage to put his arm around an 18 year kid.
- Tumbleweed

its not rocket science here....sure you want to support your guy and this whole "innocent to proven guilty" but maybe just maybe save yourself from being a lighting rod of headlines by asking the guy to step back on this weekend until the dust settles a bit

#65 Karlsson
#68 Hoffman

What numbers missing in between?

#67 like in Ottawa 67s
#66 number of the devil


More Illuminati satanic symbolic proof right there.
- Not_Yan

Ho Sang is the devil? I thought he just had a bad attitude.

I understand what your saying but I don't care what story is going to come out.....There is no way of defending anybody who goes after a person losing a child....period. There is nothing the Karlsson family could have done to the Hoffman family to warrant that.
- Gambi99

No one is trying to defend her. I dont know why people are making that assumption. I am just saying there is a reason she is doing this and I myself am interested to find out.