A mess from the owner to the management to the players. Tear it apart and start over.
- Iggysbff

Honestly. Thats the best thing for this organization. Strip it down to the bare bones and start from scratch.

As a Canucks fan with a franchise that seemingly always does shyt the wrong way....

Well the sens make me feel a lot better about the team I cheer for.

Best of luck going forward....


Bigger question is, at what point do the fan of Ottawa say they've had enough and wont support the team anymore? Its already kinda started going down that road....

Need a new owner, new manager, new everything.


The more I think about it, the worse I really feel for Sens fans.

The entire franchise is a fukking joke. ugh....

Well no wives/girlfriends/fiances have come out to defend Hoffmans fiance so far. Other than Hoffman himself, nobody has come out and said anything nice and that she couldn't have done this. This could come out in the next few days but it seems odd that nobody has while the support for Karlssons wife has already started being posted out on social media.
- dcz28

Thats because they dont want to get involved. Look at that 1 Politician in Canada, he was accused of sexual harassment and he was kicked out as a party leader and after everything was said and done it was proven to be false. No one defended him and his life was ruined because of a crime he never committed.

Loud noises.
- flyer_nutter

The tarps for the upper deck next season will have to be enormous.

If Caryk felt this strongly about the Karlssons, she would have been mentioning this to Hoffman. You don't harbor that level of rage against someone without talking about it. If it's true - he would have at least known that she HATED them, though i suppose it's possible he didn't know about her online trolling. She could have hidden that from him. Though he may have suspicions.
- jcragcrumple

Not exactly true. Many murders harbor rage. They do not speak to people about it. They keep it to themselves and try to not get caught. Right now this is a case one person's word against another. The way I see it, they should be able to easily find the ip addresses used by these accounts. If I am someone who is going to post illegal stuff, I do not do that at home and preferably with my PC. All that stuff is traceable. That fact to me makes me believe she acts on her own when Hoffman isnt around. I doubt they travel together to sit at a coffee shop or Library to send hateful messages to a teammates wife. Not unless Hoffman is as deranged as her. Hoffman could very much be in denial. The wife could put on an act when she is around him. As a hockey player how much time do you spend with your girlfriend?

To me I dont believe you can prove Hoffman knows the truth, the only way I can think of is if he admits it. If the GF did it as well, pissing her off will also have a negative affect on him as she could probably blame him or at least drag him down with her, guilty or not. I believe strongly in innocent until proven guilty but I feel like society immediately treats an accusation as a fact.

Honestly. Thats the best thing for this organization. Strip it down to the bare bones and start from scratch.

As a Canucks fan with a franchise that seemingly always does shyt the wrong way....

Well the sens make me feel a lot better about the team I cheer for.

Best of luck going forward....


Bigger question is, at what point do the fan of Ottawa say they've had enough and wont support the team anymore? Its already kinda started going down that road....

Need a new owner, new manager, new everything.


The more I think about it, the worse I really feel for Sens fans.

The entire franchise is a fukking joke. ugh....
- vancity787

The ONLY way I support this team next year is if ALL of the following things happen:

1. Karlsson is re-signed
2. Hoffman and his female dog are gone
3. Lee is no longer employed with this team
4. Melnyk sells

If any of that doesn't happen I'm switching teams.......still not sure who i'd cheer for though. Just know not leafs, habs, pens or bruins.

Prob become a jets fan

The ONLY way I support this team next year is if ALL of the following things happen:

1. Karlsson is re-signed
2. Hoffman and his female dog are gone
3. Lee is no longer employed with this team
4. Melnyk sells

If any of that doesn't happen I'm switching teams.......still not sure who i'd cheer for though. Just know not leafs, habs, pens or bruins.

Prob become a jets fan
- sensarmy_11

This may very well be in all sens fans best interest.
Super sad to say, but its true.

Honestly. Thats the best thing for this organization. Strip it down to the bare bones and start from scratch.

As a Canucks fan with a franchise that seemingly always does shyt the wrong way....

Well the sens make me feel a lot better about the team I cheer for.

Best of luck going forward....


Bigger question is, at what point do the fan of Ottawa say they've had enough and wont support the team anymore? Its already kinda started going down that road....

Need a new owner, new manager, new everything.


The more I think about it, the worse I really feel for Sens fans.

The entire franchise is a fukking joke. ugh....
- vancity787

If everything coming out is true and management was aware in March and did nothing, everyone from the top down needs to be fired. If we lose both Hoffman and karlsson for underwhelming returns that's completely unacceptable.

I realize this is a typo, but damn, it’s funny.

And seriously, the relationship is beyond repair.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agree. On the funny part.

The rest, unless the men have cleared the air is done & dusted. According to Hoffmans agent it's a spade, so...........

good point. if he's found guilty, it's going to look awfully bad on the NHL (and sens) if he was allowed on the draft stage to put his arm around an 18 year kid.
- Tumbleweed

I'm not defending Lee , but the accuser was 19 years old. This isn't like Sandusky, the guys not a pedophile.

I'm not defending Lee , but the accuser was 19 years old. This isn't like Sandusky, the guys not a pedophile.
- forbetterorWORSE

from the athletic. i think they said it best:

While we’re at it, it was also a poor decision that Lee’s “status with the organization remains unchanged” in wake of the Buffalo incident. He should have been suspended with pay until the matter was resolved given the nature of the case and his work responsibilities. That is not any judgement on Lee’s guilt or innocence. It would just seem to be the prudent thing to do to protect everyone involved.

from the athletic. i think they said it best:

While we’re at it, it was also a poor decision that Lee’s “status with the organization remains unchanged” in wake of the Buffalo incident. He should have been suspended with pay until the matter was resolved given the nature of the case and his work responsibilities. That is not any judgement on Lee’s guilt or innocence. It would just seem to be the prudent thing to do to protect everyone involved.
- Tumbleweed

Agree 100 percent. I think Lee was probably inappropriate and went too far, however I don't think he's a pedophile. It wasn't a child he assaulted.

I want to add one more tidbit to this.

The fact that the wives talk about, even IF Hoffman hears the rumblings, that is not evidence. That is gossip. Women are notorious for gossip. For all we know those women hate Hoffman's GF. Maybe one of them started a rumour about the GF doing this and it got to Karlsson and his wife so they believe it. I can accuse any one of you of sexual harassment and there will be a group of people who will say it was true just for the hell of it. That doesnt mean you did it.

Second thing to point out is even if Hoffman thinks it is possible that his GF could do such a thing, he cant say it. That is not evidence and if he does not have his girlfriends back on this and she turns out to be innocent, that relationship is over and he can kiss half his possessions goodbye. He has been with this woman for a long time now. Trust is everything. The only way Hoffman could ever really know the truth is if he either caught her or she flat out old him. Telling him is very unlikely. If you commit a crime, you are not outing yourself to anyone because you d not want to get caught. Do you think someone who committed a hit and run talks to someone about it? No they pretend it didnt happen and hope it goes away.

Regardless of whether the Girlfriend did it or not. I believe Hoffman does not know or doesnt know for sure. If he does know he is lying to protect her. If you love someone, you would do anything for them even at your expense. That is why Love is so dangerous and why many get hurt. There is more trust involved than any human being deserves. Part of the problem is people are trying to use logic here where logic is not valid. Emotion trumps all logic every time.

The ONLY way I support this team next year is if ALL of the following things happen:

1. Karlsson is re-signed
2. Hoffman and his female dog are gone
3. Lee is no longer employed with this team
4. Melnyk sells

If any of that doesn't happen I'm switching teams.......still not sure who i'd cheer for though. Just know not leafs, habs, pens or bruins.

Prob become a jets fan
- sensarmy_11

Switching team? Conveniently to the best Canadian team in the league?

Switching team? Conveniently to the best Canadian team in the league?
- david22

should i switch to a team where i would continue to suffer as a fan?

that seems really stupid

should i switch to a team where i would continue to suffer as a fan?

that seems really stupid
- sensarmy_11

Ask Spatso.

should i switch to a team where i would continue to suffer as a fan?

that seems really stupid
- sensarmy_11

There should be some kind of treaty where all fans agree you can only jump ship to another crappy team.

Ask Spatso.
- Atomic Wedgie

Let's hope history repeats itself!

Let's hope history repeats itself!
- david22

Lol


Would guarantee the leafs going back into the tank

Ray Ferraro put it best on my local sports radio today. Plain and simple.

"What Sens fan is going to want to go to the arena, and spend money on this Franchise!?!"

This after explaining the owners lack of finances, the arena, and apperantly some flammable Senators clothing that was choking children and supposedly super flammable (As well as mentioning something else I cant remember) all topped off with this Hoffman, Karlsson garbage.

But seriously. Its a valid question........ What sens fan in their right mind would spend money on this team next year?

They're making the Cleveland Browns look like world beaters.


Oh, and ofcourse he finished the conversation off with "Hoffmans wont be wanted anywhere as long as his girlfriend is still there, and he will bring back ZERO return, Guaranteed."

Zero I think is harsh. But his value has all but diminished.

Ray Ferraro put it best on my local sports radio today. Plain and simple.

"What Sens fan is going to want to go to the arena, and spend money on this Franchise!?!"

This after explaining the owners lack of finances, the arena, and apperantly some flammable Senators clothing that was choking children and supposedly super flammable (As well as mentioning something else I cant remember) all topped off with this Hoffman, Karlsson garbage.

But seriously. Its a valid question........ What sens fan in their right mind would spend money on this team next year?

They're making the Cleveland Browns look like world beaters.


Oh, and ofcourse he finished the conversation off with "Hoffmans wont be wanted anywhere as long as his girlfriend is still there, and he will bring back ZERO return, Guaranteed."

Zero I think is harsh. But his value has all but diminished.
- vancity787

They should trade him straight up for Spezza, bring some of that teams heart back.

This whole train wreck of a season makes sense now. Karlsson came back at almost the exact time that the harassment began. From what Andrew Hammond’s wife tweeted earlier this afternoon in support, it would seem that Melinda Karlsson did not want this to become a public matter and that there was a lot more going on behind the scenes. Kyle Turris’ wife has also tweeted her support of Melinda Karlsson. This is the smoking gun folks. The season fell apart because of the alleged antics of Caryk. All of the inexplicable on-ice non-sense has to be viewed through this lens. Hoffman has to go immediately. The organization has to show it’s support of the Karlsson’s or they are headed for an even greater debacle than what we have seen so far.
- jaz258

The fact Hoffman wasn't traded months ago shows what kind of organization it is, now they will get scraps for him.

And Karlsonn will likely be gone as well, I hope they decide not to trade him and he leaves for free

No one is trying to defend her. I dont know why people are making that assumption. I am just saying there is a reason she is doing this and I myself am interested to find out.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There is no reason to do so, and if there was a reason? They are both equally poopty and the situation is even worse

There is no reason to do so, and if there was a reason? They are both equally poopty and the situation is even worse
- Santo_44

C'mon you cant seriously believe that someone would go to all this trouble to harass her for no reason. She is apparently spending money buying fake accounts. You dont put that much effort in unless you feel wronged or hate them. People definately dont hate people for no reason. Even if the reason is unreasonable, it still exists.

Best example I can give is Hitler. He killed billions of people of the Jewish faith. He didnt just do it because he woke up one day thought it be fun, he did it because he felt like the Jewish people had wronged him and his people. That is a reason. That doesnt make his actions any less monstrous or wrong. People do not feel this type of hated without feeling like they were wronged.

The same can go for the Muslim people right now. Many people hate them because of what groups of extremists have done. Those groups do not speak for everyone of that faith but we treat them all like terrorists. After I see an attack online, you know how many times my initial thought has been nuke them all and end this? All lot but after the initial though I calm down and realize that is going too far. In that instant the needless loss of life angers me and the scale jumps from 0 to 10 fast.

Regardless, if she has done this, she has a reason for doing so. No one is saying that it makes things any less wrong, we are just saying you dont wake up one day and think lets harass someone about their stillborn baby. From the start the only thing I have been interested in has been what would trigger her to go this far. Is it something completely stupid, it could very much be an overreaction to something trvial.

C'mon you cant seriously believe that someone would go to all this trouble to harass her for no reason. She is apparently spending money buying fake accounts. You dont put that much effort in unless you feel wronged or hate them. People definately dont hate people for no reason. Even if the reason is unreasonable, it still exists.

Best example I can give is Hitler. He killed billions of people of the Jewish faith. He didnt just do it because he woke up one day thought it be fun, he did it because he felt like the Jewish people had wronged him and his people. That is a reason. That doesnt make his actions any less monstrous or wrong. People do not feel this type of hated without feeling like they were wronged.

The same can go for the Muslim people right now. Many people hate them because of what groups of extremists have done. Those groups do not speak for everyone of that faith but we treat them all like terrorists. After I see an attack online, you know how many times my initial thought has been nuke them all and end this? All lot but after the initial though I calm down and realize that is going too far. In that instant the needless loss of life angers me and the scale jumps from 0 to 10 fast.

Regardless, if she has done this, she has a reason for doing so. No one is saying that it makes things any less wrong, we are just saying you dont wake up one day and think lets harass someone about their stillborn baby. From the start the only thing I have been interested in has been what would trigger her to go this far. Is it something completely stupid, it could very much be an overreaction to something trvial.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Jesus dude. You need to stop. You’ve gotten worse than Mav has. Never go full Hitlertard.

women always be shoppin'