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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 18 @ 2:29 PM ET
I’m gonna TRY not to get too into all these ROR discussions
Gonna be hard though!
Hahaha

- jdfitz77

wait til the draft passes and he is still a sabre


TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:29 PM ET
I don’t know that there is one. I’m not sure there’s any other player on the Blues that would be an even swap, and I’m not sure Schwartz would be an even swap to begin with. I think it would have to be a package on both sides. I imagine goaltenders would be part of the deal.

The Blues are likely have a top three prospect pool in the league right now, but after years of trading away prospects, I’m not sure Army will let any go. I’d be okay with letting a couple go, but I think Kyrou and Kostin need to stick around; Thomas and Husso are untouchable.

Who would Buffalo have interest in other than Schwartz?

- RobShouts


Berglund and Dunn would be pretty great.
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jun 18 @ 2:29 PM ET
I don’t know that there is one. I’m not sure there’s any other player on the Blues that would be an even swap, and I’m not sure Schwartz would be an even swap to begin with. I think it would have to be a package on both sides. I imagine goaltenders would be part of the deal.

The Blues are likely have a top three prospect pool in the league right now, but after years of trading away prospects, I’m not sure Army will let any go. I’d be okay with letting a couple go, but I think Kyrou and Kostin need to stick around; Thomas and Husso are untouchable.

Who would Buffalo have interest in other than Schwartz?

- RobShouts



Tarasenko.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
In over 300 less minutes.

118 less PP minutes

- sbroads24


Skinner's career high is 63 points. ROR had 61 this year. You're seeing basically the peak of both of these players, and in terms of value ROR adds way more secondary value to a team than a one-dimensional winger.

If you want Skinner, it would not cost ROR
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
Not really.

He is probably about the same. Maybe slightly but again its you so why bother.


I'm coming around on Reinhart.

Give him a more complete team to play with and his skill will be evident.

he's the last guy i'd trade out of all the rumored names right now.

- ImThatGuy



They ‘re not even close stop .
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
taco tuesday starts in 9 hours and 30 minutes
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
Does not equate to losing RoR's defense, face off wins, and toughness. Their production is the same, we lose this trade if Carolina doesn't add.
- sskkoo1



ROR is anything but tough.

The due shys away from contact, is not physical at all.

hes Drew Stafford in that department.

Jack Eichel has more hits than ROR does.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
Money Mitch Is better
- gerbe75pts


The math clearly shows they're comparable talents.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
taco tuesday starts in 9 hours and 30 minutes
- homiedclown


you're late, clown
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
ROR is anything but tough.

The due shys away from contact, is not physical at all.

hes Drew Stafford in that department.

Jack Eichel has more hits than ROR does.

- ImThatGuy

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
Skinner's career high is 63 points. ROR had 61 this year. You're seeing basically the peak of both of these players, and in terms of value ROR adds way more secondary value to a team than a one-dimensional winger.

If you want Skinner, it would not cost ROR

- jcragcrumple

I don't really care about the most basic counting stat as a measuring stick.

O'Reilly is more effective in the D zone.

Skinner is a way bigger threat at EV

They are very close in value.

The edge goes to O'Reilly because of position.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
They ‘re not even close stop .
- gerbe75pts


OK.


gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
The math clearly shows they're comparable talents.
- TheSabresTaco


If that’s case we pay sam 8m then right ?

ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
The math clearly shows they're comparable talents.
- TheSabresTaco


but it basically doesn't.


"just stop bro" is the response you'll get.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
you're late, clown
- TheSabresTaco

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
I don't really care about the most basic counting stat as a measuring stick.

O'Reilly is more effective in the D zone.

Skinner is a way bigger threat at EV

They are very close in value.

The edge goes to O'Reilly because of position.

- sbroads24


We have reached peak analytics
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
If that’s case we pay sam 8m then right ?
- gerbe75pts


So I guess we should pay Scott Wilson 5.25 then because that is what David Clarkson is making, no?
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
ROR is anything but tough.

The due shys away from contact, is not physical at all.

hes Drew Stafford in that department.

Jack Eichel has more hits than ROR does.

- ImThatGuy



You're fishing and you're coming up empty. I'm not saying don't trade RoR for skinner, i'm saying Carolina needs to add if that happens, because RoR is better in almost every category compared to Skinner. As for toughness, I don't recall ever seeing Skinner drop the gloves, but I do recall seeing RoR laying some serious good checks and out battling guys.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
OK.
- ImThatGuy


He can be taken seriously when he provides evidence of the contrary.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
but it basically doesn't.


"just stop bro" is the response you'll get.

- ImThatGuy


I mean they're basically both 8 million dollar players
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
Skrew Skinner.


RoR Skinner
center > LW
60pts on a worse team > 50pts on a better team
Strong defensively > weak defensively
Best face off guy in the league > doesn't take face offs
Locked up for 5 more years > pending UFA who wants a big pay day

There better be a lot more than Skinner coming back in this trade.

- sskkoo1


ROR also led all forwards in average ice time with over 23 minutes no ? Skinner plays like what 17 minutes a night ? The extra 6 minutes a game factors out to an additional 8.2 games a year that ROR plays over Skinner. Skinner would of had another 6-7 points if he played the same amount of minutes that ROR did so really the trade off is 3 points instead of 10. Skinner also is a much faster player and would play on Eichel’s wing which would garner more points then playing with Staal or Rask would.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
Not to mention the offensive dynamo that is Jeff Skinner scored 12 fewer points than ROR

I know, I know, O'Reilly has never scored an even-strength goal

- jcragcrumple


95% of ROR and Risto's goals have come with a 9 vs 1 advantage I'm told. They shouldn't even count in a beer league setting.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
I don't really care about the most basic counting stat as a measuring stick.

O'Reilly is more effective in the D zone.

Skinner is a way bigger threat at EV

They are very close in value.

The edge goes to O'Reilly because of position.

- sbroads24


What about Skinner becoming an UFA next year? You get 1 year for 5 years? That is the epitome of stupid if you don't re-sign him.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:35 PM ET

- homiedclown


Go to La Divina and never leave, because it's the best
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:36 PM ET
People on this blog say ROR stinks and his attitude is bad and he's overpaid but yet they throw out all these ridiculous trade offers for the other teams best players.
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