I took ALOT of poop on here for suggesting the Sabres retain ROR for one, one more year. So, welcome tot he club.
We all know that Mitts is talented, we should be able to throw him out there and he will be great.
- IonSabres

Im not sure if protecting mitts (if he even needs it) is worth the chance RoR takes a huge step back this coming year. I think RoR is at his highest value right now

I took ALOT of poop on here for suggesting the Sabres retain ROR for one, one more year. So, welcome tot he club.
We all know that Mitts is talented, we should be able to throw him out there and he will be great.
- IonSabres

OR trade ROR to improve your group AND sign a guy to a 2-3 year deal that can protect Middlestadt.

Evnder Kane just got a $49MM contract over 7 years after everything he went through.

Seymeon Varlomov is still a goalie in this league.

ETC, ETC.
- ImThatGuy

He was actually innocent, and was awarded a hefty amount of money, for mere mortals anyway, maybe not for an NHL player that makes $6M a year.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-case-awards-goalie-126k/

If that's all Botts does, then yeah, we're a bottom 5 team again, and looking for a coach and gm again, and WITHOUT a first round pick next year.
- Powerslave

So why wouldn't Carolina do that? They'd probably pick in the same place, if you're right, and they'd get ROR and Nylander on top of it.

I feel like you're trying to have it both ways: Carolina would be crazy to do it, and Buffalo shouldn't do it

How much do you think Neal and JVR are going to get on the open market ? The going rate for a 1st LW is 7M whether it’s Skinner or anyone else.
- Pegullaville

Putting Skinner in the same category as Neal or JVR is a weird thought my man.


I wouldn't mind signing either of them but not Neal to a long term deal.

I don't mind the idea of Maroon or Vanek as a short term 2/3LW though if we can't trade for better depth.

Putting Skinner in the same category as Neal or JVR is a weird thought my man.


I wouldn't mind signing either of them but not Neal to a long term deal.

I don't mind the idea of Maroon or Vanek as a short term 2/3LW though if we can't trade for better depth.
- JVince11

Why?

Why?
- sbroads24

He gets hurt a lot.

Signed
Take from 5 years ago.

So why wouldn't Carolina do that? They'd probably pick in the same place, if you're right, and they'd get ROR and Nylander on top of it.

I feel like you're trying to have it both ways: Carolina would be crazy to do it, and Buffalo shouldn't do it
- jcragcrumple

Carolina has no idea what Buffalo's moves will be this summer. If they're that dumb to trade us Svechnikov (a player with 40 goal, and 3-zone game controlling potential), then by all means.

My point is, they're not that dumb.

He gets hurt a lot.

Signed
Take from 5 years ago.
- ImThatGuy

I'm guessing because Skinner isn't 6'3. And that's not a dig at JVince

I'm guessing because Skinner isn't 6'3. And that's not a dig at JVince
- sbroads24

JVince is 6'5". Get it right. 😉

Carolina has no idea what Buffalo's moves will be this summer. If they're that dumb to trade us Svechnikov (a player with 40 goal, and 3-zone game controlling potential), then by all means.

My point is, they're not that dumb.
- Powerslave

Montreal on the other hand......

Montreal on the other hand......
- ImThatGuy

You never know with Bergy.

Carolina has no idea what Buffalo's moves will be this summer. If they're that dumb to trade us Svechnikov (a player with 40 goal, and 3-zone game controlling potential), then by all means.

My point is, they're not that dumb.
- Powerslave

Take a look at what Vancouver had to give up to get both of the Sedins. I don't think I'm that far off

Take a look at what Vancouver had to give up to get both of the Sedins. I don't think I'm that far off
- jcragcrumple

Again, I don't know what is so appealing about your trade proposal. Sorry, but if I'm Carolina's GM, and you want pick number 2, you're sending me Mittelstadt back in any package.

I'm guessing because Skinner isn't 6'3. And that's not a dig at JVince
- sbroads24

Points last 3 years:

Skinner - 163 (.36 G/ Game)
JVR - 145 (.39 G/Game)
Neal - 143 (.35 G/ Game)

Maybe, but it's a delicate dance that would penalize you heavily for getting caught trying.
- Lunaion

Huh?
I don’t follow with the getting penalized part

I'm guessing because Skinner isn't 6'3. And that's not a dig at JVince
- sbroads24

We should be thinking bigger (not Murray "heavies" bigger), but 2 or 3 OA with stuff added in from the sabres, or players locked into longer contracts, plus prospects. Skinner is small fish. Expiring contract, looking for a pay day. It doesn't cost ROR to get that

I'm guessing because Skinner isn't 6'3. And that's not a dig at JVince
- sbroads24

Maybe it's just me but I see Neal and JVR as more skilled offensively and slightly less crappy on defense than Skinner. None of them are great on defense.

Just looking at their stats comparatively they are actually not terribly far apart are they?

I don't know... I just don't think around the league or fan base people don't think those 3 are all on the same level.

https://www.hockey-refere...er3=vanrija01&idx=players

How much do you think Neal and JVR are going to get on the open market ? The going rate for a 1st LW is 7M whether it’s Skinner or anyone else.
- Pegullaville

Probably less for Neal bc of his age,
but yeah- it’ll be a proxy contract

But the argument for 1 of them would be that we don’t have to trade O’Reilly to get them

OR trade ROR to improve your group AND sign a guy to a 2-3 year deal that can protect Middlestadt.
- ImThatGuy

Fair to say that would be ideal

Probably less for Neal bc of his age,
but yeah- it’ll be a proxy contract

But the argument for 1 of them would be that we don’t have to trade O’Reilly to get them
- jdfitz77

We don't have to trade him at all, and we can sign Skinner in 12 months for free, and yet most here are ready to sell ROR for a day old sandwich and a used jock strap

You never know with Bergy.
- Powerslave

And they keep letting him make dumb trades...

We don't have to trade him at all, and we can sign Skinner in 12 months for free, and yet most here are ready to sell ROR for a day old sandwich and a used jock strap
- jcragcrumple

Yea but that used jock strap needs a change of scenery and could really explode on Jack's wing.

Plus... no cocaine problem.

Maybe it's just me but I see Neal and JVR as more skilled offensively and slightly less crappy on defense than Skinner. None of them are great on defense.

Just looking at their stats comparatively they are actually not terribly far apart are they?

I don't know... I just don't think around the league or fan base people don't think those 3 are all on the same level.

https://www.hockey-refere...er3=vanrija01&idx=players
- JVince11

I think Skinner is the most-skilled of the 3.

I don't disagree he's sub-par on D, but what we absolutely need the most on offense is what Skinner does best, score 5 on 5.

I just don't see how we get better there (I know Dahlin helps) without adding guys who excel in that area, and subtracting ones who don't.

We don't have to trade him at all, and we can sign Skinner in 12 months for free, and yet most here are ready to sell ROR for a day old sandwich and a used jock strap
- jcragcrumple

how often does a player hit UFA status?

This argument is stupid.