Giroux_Is_God
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OK, this is strictly my own take based on a gut feeling. Ron Hextall keeps everything close to the vest.
However, from the gist of what I've heard from those I know in and/or are trusted by the upper-levels in the organization, I would not be surprised if they are fine with listening to offers for Simmonds. I also think they are NOT inclined to move him at the end of the day unless it is a no-brainer in Hextall's own estimation.
Otherwise, the intention appears to be to try to resign him, even if it goes into next season without a new deal. There is a goal internally to push the regular season point total over 100 points and to win a playoff round but without dealing assets/ prospects or pursuing the top-of-the-line external free agents. That's going to require all hands on deck to do.
Hextall is very big on the intangibles. If you listened to Anthony SF's podcast with Hexy last week, the GM talked a lot about fit within the room, general work habits and a player's desire to be a Flyer as things he factors along with all the on-ice stuff. It was said in reference to NHL-level roster decisions and not the Draft, in this case.
I know for an absolute fact that the players in the room consider Simmonds to be the guy who internally operates as the bad cop when needed yet is deeply respected and admired. Unless it's for a bigger return than the Flyers are likely to get, it would likely go over poorly within the room if he's traded. That is especially true on the heels of all that he played through this past season and the way he has everyone else's back on the ice and in public. Simmonds wears his heart on his sleeve, and wants to spend the rest of his career as a Flyer. He's said as much, but everyone knew it, anyway.
Is it impossible that Simmonds gets traded, whether at the Draft or by the trade deadline of next season? No.
Right now, though, it would take a lot of incentive to do so, and not primarily a draft pick asset in his particular case. The teams that are picking atop the Draft aren't the market where Simmonds would be their main off-season target. And what team that is a Simmonds type away from Cup contention would trade from its fast-rising young NHL roster talent plus a conditional high-end pick (even if it is in 2019) to do it, because I think that is the price tag the Flyers would have in mind.
Again, I could be proven 100 percent wrong. It's just my read. - bmeltzer
Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.
The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.
On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season left on his deal. At the deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets at the deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.
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Glak18
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.
The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.
On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season and a half left on his deal. At next year's deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets traded next deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.
And honestly I'm ok with that. - Giroux_Is_God
Stop spreading lies, video games are real.
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Giroux_Is_God
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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Stop spreading lies, video games are real. - Glak18
sorrey
Seriously though the Yotes just traded Domi for Galchenyuk. Why tf would they want Simmonds if they wanted a player like Galchenyuk badly enough to trade away their own promising young forward?
Use the commutative property here F E L L A S. The Coyotes went out to get a 24 yr old goal scoring forward with the potential to be great and traded Max Domi, himself a potentially great player at 23 years old. Where does Simmonds, the aging power forward- granted one that can still score- fit into that equation? |
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Scoob
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Location: love is love Joined: 06.29.2006
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arichardson22
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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Flyers aren't lacking points from the back end. They got 30 goals and 76 assists between Gostisehere and Provorov alone and Sanheim is going to put up his share of points, too, as he gains more ice time. The Flyers needs better two-way play and pairings balance out of their three pairings. Adding more point-producing is secondary.
Dumba does offer a RH shot and he's producing points but he's not exactly what you'd call a consistent, heady two-way D-man. - bmeltzer
I didn’t mean we should only get him because of his point totals (my bad), that was more so me surprised he accumulated that many points last season. I assumed he was more of a stay at home d man with some nasty (not as in dirty) physicalness to his game. I’m looking forward to Sanheim (hopefully) getting some PP2 time this year!
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Scoob
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Location: love is love Joined: 06.29.2006
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Next thing you know, he'll be dating a Kardashian and then be completely unbearable. - johndewar
I've been told that one of those is already true |
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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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I've been told that one of those is already true - Scoob
Which Kardashian? |
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arichardson22
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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Which Kardashian? - Glak18
Rob |
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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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I've been told that one of those is already true - Scoob
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Glak18
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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Rob - arichardson22
Thank you. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Which Kardashian? - Glak18
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Glak18
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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- jmatchett383
2 minute penalty for High Sticking! |
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arichardson22
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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2 minute penalty for High Sticking! - Glak18
I would say too many men on the ice but I’m not sure if that’s politically correct anymore |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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I would say too many men on the ice but I’m not sure if that’s politically correct anymore - arichardson22
Who cares? It’s funny
(frank) political correctness |
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Glak18
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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I would say too many men on the ice but I’m not sure if that’s politically correct anymore - arichardson22
Using the term politically correct is politically incorrect. |
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arichardson22
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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Who cares? It’s funny
(frank) political correctness - BiggE
Whew, you guys are chill. Thank God |
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YuenglingJagr
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Location: under the bridge Joined: 10.05.2015
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Whew, you guys are chill. Thank God - arichardson22
The coffin really puts things into perspective and keeps us level headed. I suggest a few sessions for yourself |
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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: CLASS DISMISSED Joined: 12.15.2011
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The coffin really puts things into perspective and keeps us level headed. I suggest a few sessions for yourself - YuenglingJagr
I can confirm |
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bighandsome91
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Location: Shut up, nerd., CA Joined: 03.09.2018
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Who cares? It’s funny
(frank) political correctness - BiggE
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arichardson22
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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The coffin really puts things into perspective and keeps us level headed. I suggest a few sessions for yourself - YuenglingJagr
Hopefully there’s a promo code for it in the Bill and Bundy podcast |
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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.
The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.
On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season left on his deal. At the deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets at the deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.
And honestly I'm ok with that. - Giroux_Is_God
keeping simmonds isn't going to win us the cup
why lose him for NOTHING
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Glak18
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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keeping simmonds isn't going to win us the cup
why lose him for NOTHING - 2Real
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Been saying this day after day. This isn't NHL 18 where players have "trade value" bars in a vacuum and teams are programmed with an algorithm to use this value to execute trades.
The Coyotes do not want Simmonds. He's not even close to the type of player they would want because they're not a "Simmonds away from a contender" team. No one at the top of the draft is. Were any of us interested in trading potentially high value draft picks for a good-great 30+ yr old player 3 years ago when the Flyers were the team towards the top of the draft looking for young talent? Talent that could wear the jersey for years and play at a high level? Hell no.
On the other hand, no contender/close to being a contender type team would trade for Simmonds if they were sending back a young, effective player that the Flyers would want, as opposed to picks in the 25+ range. Trade scenarios with Simmonds just don't make much sense, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere with a season left on his deal. At the deadline maybe, but not right now. Add all this to how he clearly is a locker room leader for Philly? It just doesn't seem likely he goes anywhere. In the most "probable" scenario he gets at the deadline, which is improbable anyway since the Flyers would most likely be the ones renting next season.
And honestly I'm ok with that. - Giroux_Is_God
do you work for arizona? they were one of the better teams the last half of the season. They are done rebuilding to an extent. Why cant you grasp that? |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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I've been told that one of those is already true - Scoob
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sorrey
Seriously though the Yotes just traded Domi for Galchenyuk. Why tf would they want Simmonds if they wanted a player like Galchenyuk badly enough to trade away their own promising young forward?
Use the commutative property here F E L L A S. The Coyotes went out to get a 24 yr old goal scoring forward with the potential to be great and traded Max Domi, himself a potentially great player at 23 years old. Where does Simmonds, the aging power forward- granted one that can still score- fit into that equation? - Giroux_Is_God
its funny reading your opinion. Why would they want simmonds? well for all the reasons why the flyers want to keep him. |
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