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TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 24 @ 7:00 PM ET
Okay I just looked at drafts 2010 - 2017

And there is maybe a total of 20 players in the European leagues that have contributed to the NHL

Then you have over 400 players from the CHL contributing and that's in the later rounds

So

- gerbe75pts

So what
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 24 @ 7:01 PM ET
Links or charts, I have no idea what you're talking about. What did you look at and count 400 players from
- jcragcrumple

Probably a lunch menu
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:01 PM ET
Links or charts, I have no idea what you're talking about. What did you look at and count 400 players from
- jcragcrumple

I just counted from each draft who's in the NHL contributing from the CHL to European leagues

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/index.html

gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:02 PM ET
Probably a lunch menu
- TheHank


K don't be a jelly donut
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 7:03 PM ET
I mentioned this earlier, but is there any way to do that without skipping two years of drafts?

Teams would never agree to that, because you'd have 2 seasons of teams finishing in last and getting nothing

- jcragcrumple


You could do it over the course of a few years, move the birth month 6 months later. There's really no "fair" way to do it. Some teams will get shafted.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 24 @ 7:04 PM ET
Any offer made that u know of?
- rinaldo

No, it was mostly the Blues and the Habs, but there was no way the Habs were giving up the 3rd overall for ROR. That was never going to happen.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 24 @ 7:05 PM ET
I just counted from each draft who's in the NHL contributing from the CHL to European leagues

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/index.html

- gerbe75pts



So you just totally made those numbers up. There's no way you took that raw data and organized and compiled it from that source in 3 minutes to come up with "400 players taken in the 3rd or later"

You're throwing poop at the wall and seeing if someone will actually do your leg work to prove you wrong

If you're actually interested in this stuff, you should actually do the research. It would be very interesting to everyone here if you did a deep dive
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 7:06 PM ET
I just counted from each draft who's in the NHL contributing from the CHL to European leagues

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/index.html

- gerbe75pts


I knew those years were suspect. 2009 alone has Hedman, OEL, Marcus Johansson, Silfverberg, Lehner, Panik, Orlov and Tatar. And that's just the first 2 rounds.

And you said "ignored the CHL" don't give me bullpoop about rounds.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
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Jun 24 @ 7:07 PM ET
Still didn't answer my question does that mean Bots will not want a CHL player in a package for Ryan O'Reilly?

Like if we trade him to the blues is he going to say no to Jordan Kyrou
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
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Jun 24 @ 7:07 PM ET
I knew those years were suspect. 2009 alone has Hedman, OEL, Marcus Johansson, Silfverberg, Lehner, Panik, Orlov and Tatar. And that's just the first 2 rounds.
- Wetbandit1


We are talking about late rounds
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 24 @ 7:08 PM ET
No, it was mostly the Blues and the Habs, but there was no way the Habs were giving up the 3rd overall for ROR. That was never going to happen.
- SABRES 89


If I was JB and Bergevin turned me down, my response: "Aite bro...Imma just sit here and watch the Habs burn."
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 24 @ 7:08 PM ET
Still didn't answer my question does that mean Bots will not want a CHL player in a package for Ryan O'Reilly?

Like if we trade him to the blues is he going to say no to Jordan Kyrou

- gerbe75pts

I highly doubt it.

If Rasmus Dahlin was a CHL’er or we were picking 2nd, this wouldn’t be a discussion
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:08 PM ET
So you just totally made those numbers up. There's no way you took that raw data and organized and compiled it from that source in 3 minutes to come up with "400 players taken in the 3rd or later"

You're throwing poop at the wall and seeing if someone will actually do your leg work to prove you wrong

If you're actually interested in this stuff, you should actually do the research. It would be very interesting to everyone here if you did a deep dive

- jcragcrumple


I counted about 40 players European

275 CHL
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jun 24 @ 7:10 PM ET
We are talking about late rounds
- gerbe75pts


See edit.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
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Jun 24 @ 7:10 PM ET
I highly doubt it.

If Rasmus Dahlin was a CHL’er or we were picking 2nd, this wouldn’t be a discussion

- sbroads24


And what happens if you were drafting second and he took Brady tkachuk

I know we can't talk about this now because it will never ever happen lol


All I'm just saying is you can't ignore the CHL players in the draft that's all ..

He can draft all the Europeans he wants but get some CHL players to
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jun 24 @ 7:10 PM ET
I counted about 40 players European

275 CHL

- gerbe75pts


How many of each were drafted?

If 200 Euros, but 1,000 Canadians were drafted, kind of blows your point out of the water, doesn't it? And you're also not counting players who are European and only came to NA when they were 16.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 24 @ 7:11 PM ET
If I was JB and Bergevin turned me down, my response: "Aite bro...Imma just sit here and watch the Habs burn."
- feetontheair22

I have no problem with him not trading the 3rd overall, he screwed up by letting Zadina go.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 24 @ 7:12 PM ET
I counted about 40 players European

275 CHL

- gerbe75pts


I don't believe you did the leg work in 5 minutes, and I definitely don't trust your numbers
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:12 PM ET
How many of each were drafted?

If 200 Euros, but 1,000 Canadians were drafted, kind of blows your point out of the water, doesn't it? And you're also not counting players who are European and only came to NA when they were 16.

- Wetbandit1


I'm looking at the drafted players on the link I posted
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:13 PM ET
I don't believe you did the leg work in 5 minutes, and I definitely don't trust your numbers
- jcragcrumple


You can look ..

Took my time
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
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Jun 24 @ 7:13 PM ET
I have no problem with him not trading the 3rd overall, he screwed up by letting Zadina go.
- SABRES 89

Meh he did get a good center but z is the real deal and I'm kind of pissy we couldn't give ROR to the coyotes for their pick
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 24 @ 7:15 PM ET
I'm looking at the drafted players on the link I posted
- gerbe75pts

Honestly, I would rather just make a 6th round pick.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 24 @ 7:15 PM ET
How many of each were drafted?

If 200 Euros, but 1,000 Canadians were drafted, kind of blows your point out of the water, doesn't it? And you're also not counting players who are European and only came to NA when they were 16.

- Wetbandit1


We're doing who is contributing to the NHL at some point
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 7:16 PM ET
Thanks for ending all the Star Wars films
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Just the stand alone ones, but I know you didn't read past, "canceled Star Wars...". And they're not "ending" they're just stepping back and seeing what they need to do differently. Maybe one a year is too much.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 24 @ 7:17 PM ET
You can look ..

Took my time

- gerbe75pts


At 6:50, you said "I have to do some research"

At 6:57, you came back with fully compiled numbers over 8 years of drafts and determined 275 players were taken, and out of the 713 full-time, current NHLers, they were there.

My BS meter is off the charts
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