Two years ago I was asked to put my negative comments about the Leafs on the forum threads. Specifically I was asked not to engage in trolling discussions that used the words Leafs and choke in the same sentence. Now, I suppose, I should not say Matthews and no heart in the same sentence.
- spatso

Does Matthews lack of heart factor into who is in a better position, the Leafs or the Sens?

Asking for a friend.

Two years ago I was asked to put my negative comments about the Leafs on the forum threads. Specifically I was asked not to engage in trolling discussions that used the words Leafs and choke in the same sentence. Now, I suppose, I should not say Matthews and no heart in the same sentence.
- spatso

This is the Sens thread. Please stay on topic. We all know you're obsessed with the Leafs but there are other places to discuss that team.

Perhaps you should return to the forums.

Summer started days ago.

Most of the regulars on this thread are more firmly grounded in reality than you've ever shown and are able to either fend for themselves or ignore any posters they don't want to read.

Stop hiding behind your false white knight routine in order to protect your own delicate sensibilities which took such an epic pummelling in the forums which you ran from after years of embarrassing yourself.
- BlueBallz

Too funny. Sens made run to Conference finals. I was more than happy to celebrate. So, now a year later you want to talk about a new paradigm with the old set of variables. Sens are in a rebuild mode. It is a reality, deal with it.

It's great to say that Brady is "supposed" to be better then Matt, but there is simply no evidence to support this fact. Matt outscored Brady at every stage of their development...

16 years old:
both played for USNDT U-17 - Matt (35 5-12-17), Brady (32 4-4-8)

17 years old:
both played for USNDT U-18 - Matt (24 13-20-33), Brady (24 12-11-23)
both played for US at World U-18s - Matt (7 2-10-12), Brady (7 1-6-7)

18 years old:
both played for US at World U-20s - Matt (7 4-7-11), Brady (7 3-6-9)

Hard to compare Matt's OHL season against boys to Brady's NCAA season, but Brady does not compare favourably to other recent 18 year old NCAA first rounders (Luke Kunin and Tage Thompson both outscored him in their 18 year old seasons and were picked significantly later in the 1st round)

Bottom line is Tkachuk will very likely be a good-to-great player, maybe even a first line talent, but the problem is, as is almost everything else with this organization, that the decision was poorly made.

Dorion decided to prioritize character and goal scoring with his pick. Tkachuk was definitely not the best goal scorer available, so there goes that argument and while having a poor character can disqualify you (see one Filatov, Nikita) having "strong character" should not be enough to be a deciding factor to select him over a more talented alternative (like Zadina).

I think Sens fan's attitude over the pick has less to do with Tkachuk than and more to do with a lack of faith in the team's management.
- ATrainTwentyFour

Hard to put it any better than this.

It's great to say that Brady is "supposed" to be better then Matt, but there is simply no evidence to support this fact. Matt outscored Brady at every stage of their development...

16 years old:
both played for USNDT U-17 - Matt (35 5-12-17), Brady (32 4-4-8)

17 years old:
both played for USNDT U-18 - Matt (24 13-20-33), Brady (24 12-11-23)
both played for US at World U-18s - Matt (7 2-10-12), Brady (7 1-6-7)

18 years old:
both played for US at World U-20s - Matt (7 4-7-11), Brady (7 3-6-9)

Hard to compare Matt's OHL season against boys to Brady's NCAA season, but Brady does not compare favourably to other recent 18 year old NCAA first rounders (Luke Kunin and Tage Thompson both outscored him in their 18 year old seasons and were picked significantly later in the 1st round)

Bottom line is Tkachuk will very likely be a good-to-great player, maybe even a first line talent, but the problem is, as is almost everything else with this organization, that the decision was poorly made.

Dorion decided to prioritize character and goal scoring with his pick. Tkachuk was definitely not the best goal scorer available, so there goes that argument and while having a poor character can disqualify you (see one Filatov, Nikita) having "strong character" should not be enough to be a deciding factor to select him over a more talented alternative (like Zadina).

I think Sens fan's attitude over the pick has less to do with Tkachuk than and more to do with a lack of faith in the team's management.
- ATrainTwentyFour

I think you have well described my feelings on the situation. I have always put a premium on the age factor. Tkachuk was about as old as you can be in a draft. Formenton, on the other hand, was just about as young as you can be in his class.

I think Formenton will be NHL ready this September. Tkachuk still has a long way to go. They are the same age and I wonder about using up a lottery pick for the selection.

I think you have well described my feelings on the situation. I have always put a premium on the age factor. Tkachuk was about as old as you can be in a draft. Formenton, on the other hand, was just about as young as you can be in his class.

I think Formenton will be NHL ready this September. Tkachuk still has a long way to go. They are the same age and I wonder about using up a lottery pick for the selection.
- spatso

dude - tkackuk should have been an 8-12 pick, not #4.

he'll likely be a 15-20 goal, 50-60 point hard-working playing making winger at his peak. nice player, but not the upside others have in the draft.

formenton tops out at a high speed 4th liner. borderline nhler.

Look, I think the rules are fairly explicit. This is a team thread with a new writer trying to create a base of followers. This is not a place where individual trolling is appropriate.

Open discussion is more than appropriate for the forum. So, perhaps, you need to restrain your comment or move on.
- spatso

good point about the blogger.

Trevor has a firm grasp on the reality of almost all things Sens. you should read his blogs thoroughly and limit your posts to his well-thought out reality based ideas.

dude - tkackuk should have been an 8-12 pick, not #3.

he'll likely be a 15-20 goal, 50-60 point hard-working playing making winger at his peak. nice player, but not the upside others have in the draft.

formenton tops out at a high speed 4th liner. borderline nhler.
- Tumbleweed

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good point about the blogger.

Trevor has a firm grasp on the reality of almost all things Sens. you should read his blogs thoroughly and limit your posts to his well-thought out reality based ideas.
- Tumbleweed

Yes

Too funny. Sens made run to Conference finals. I was more than happy to celebrate. So, now a year later you want to talk about a new paradigm with the old set of variables. Sens are in a rebuild mode. It is a reality, deal with it.
- spatso

Hey look at that, we agree on something.

At what point did you decide that I wasn't "dealing with it"?

In the forums we pointed out heaps of evidence to show that the rebuild you are now in should have been initiated a year ago instead of buying into the delusion that the ECF run was anything more than a fluke.

You ignored all of it and trolled incessantly. Over the course of last season as reality started to sink in that you were so incredibly wrong about the state of both teams you tucked your tail into your vagina and slinked away.

Now you are trying to crow about this rebuild which has been handled atrociously thus far. Had Hoffman and EK been moved out during the previous trade deadline the Sens would have had a ton of leverage in negotiations and made a killing thereby greatly accelerating this overdue rebuild.

Instead they are pissing away valuable assets for pennies on the dollar and face a very real possibility of watching Colorado acquire a franchise centre next draft with the pick the Sens are now obligated to surrender to complete the trade for Duchene, who also could walk for nothing after next season.

Deal with it.

Hey look at that, we agree on something.

At what point did you decide that I wasn't "dealing with it"?

In the forums we pointed out heaps of evidence to show that the rebuild you are now in should have been initiated a year ago instead of buying into the delusion that the ECF run was anything more than a fluke. We

You ignored all of it and trolled incessantly. Over the course of last season as reality started to sink in that you were so incredibly wrong about the state of both teams you tucked your tail into your vagina and slinked away.

Now you are trying to crow about this rebuild which has been handled atrociously thus far. Had Hoffman and EK been moved out during the previous trade deadline the Sens would have had a ton of leverage in negotiations and made a killing thereby greatly accelerating this overdue rebuild.

Instead they are pissing away valuable assets for pennies on the dollar and face a very real possibility of watching Colorado acquire a franchise centre next draft with the pick the Sens are now obligated to surrender.

Deal with it.
- BlueBallz

Right. It was Babcock that used the word lazy. Not me!

Thanks for Zadina

so whats going on with Uncle Eugene, is he selling the team yet or not.

What a mess he has made

Love Dorion's new obsession with "character, leadership and chemistry". I think have heard that phrase in the past week as often as I heard "rest is a weapon" during the season.

As the charges against Randy Lee pile up, I think it's important to call out that the priority on "character, leadership and chemistry" applies only to players and their significant others - Ownership and Hockey Ops are clearly exempt.

Lupul will get a PTO from the Sens sources say.

Right. It was Babcock that used the word lazy. Not me!
- spatso

Hilarious. Every mention of the Leafs in this thread has been initiated by you. So obsessed.

Like a jilted lover.

This is the Sens thread. There is a new blogger who would probably appreciate it if you stayed on topic.

If you care to continue obsessing over the Leafs I know a good forum for it. Don't let all the summer talk pass you by.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...=57175&page=last#18885742

Love Dorion's new obsession with "character, leadership and chemistry". I think have heard that phrase in the past week as often as I heard "rest is a weapon" during the season.

As the charges against Randy Lee pile up, I think it's important to call out that the priority on "character, leadership and chemistry" applies only to players and their significant others - Ownership and Hockey Ops are clearly exempt.
- grim

It's not totally new thing with this team. They prioritized it with Lazar, and that turned out great too right...

Lupul will get a PTO from the Sens sources say.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Where'd you hear this?

is dorion waiting until july to trade karlsson? i'm guessing:

tuch, miller, 1st and tatar for karlsson and ryan

Where'd you hear this?
- david22

The Puckrant Guy.

is dorion waiting until july to trade karlsson?

tuch, miller, 1st and tatar for karlsson and ryan
- Tumbleweed

Deal if non lottery protected

I think it's really funny how the Leafs fans have done this 180 over the last two years, and have this holier than thou attitude against everyone else.

Is your future looking bright? Yes.

Have you achieved anything yet? No.

As dim as everything is around our franchise is right now (and we'd be the first to tell you that), we've accomplished significantly more than the Leafs have in the 25 years of the franchise's existence.

You haven't won a playoff round in 15 years.

Deal if non lottery protected
- DutchSenators

i'd say that's fair.

I hope this pans out in our favour
https://www.thefourthperi...ceive-offer-for-franchise

Love Dorion's new obsession with "character, leadership and chemistry". I think have heard that phrase in the past week as often as I heard "rest is a weapon" during the season.

As the charges against Randy Lee pile up, I think it's important to call out that the priority on "character, leadership and chemistry" applies only to players and their significant others - Ownership and Hockey Ops are clearly exempt.
- grim

These slogans must bring back fond memories of Brian Burke's claim:
"We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence. That's how our teams play"