I thought it was the GM that makes the decision on the first pick, then the scouting staff handles the rest, essentially...?
- BareMetal

Let's say that's the case, you don't think he'd override the pick if he didn't like the player? He's the GM the buck stops with him. Ultimately he got fired because he picked the scouts who picked the players and advised him on moves, a year early I think, but that's another discussion.

Let's say that's the case, you don't think he'd override the pick if he didn't like the player? He's the GM the buck stops with him. Ultimately he got fired because he picked the scouts who picked the players and advised him on moves, a year early I think, but that's another discussion.
- Wetbandit1

I think TM had some hits and misses with Draft Picks, especially Nylander over Sergachev, but his drafting for the most part wasn't terrible. It was all the other moves he made and the fact that he had no solution when everything went to hell after those moves. He got hard on certain players and wasted assets to get them, while trying to fast track a Rebuild and it blew up in his face. But he did hit, or atleast it seems like, he may have hit on a few of his draft picks, so I don't fault him there, yet, but he dug his own grave with the rest of the things he did.

Edit: I'm not sure how much of a role the Pro Scouts played on his trades, I think that was more him wanting certain guys and not caring how he got them.

Imagine that, he doesn't get along with all holy Babcock.
- SABRES 89

I remember hearing about how when Datsyuk and Zetterburg were up for new contracts, who would be coaching the team would be a huge deciding factor. They did not want to play for Babcock. They couldn't stand the guy.

I think TM had some hits and misses with Draft Picks, especially Nylander over Sergachev, but his drafting for the most part wasn't terrible. It was all the other moves he made and the fact that he had no solution when everything went to hell after those moves. He got hard on certain players and wasted assets to get them, while trying to fast track a Rebuild and it blew up in his face. But he did hit, or atleast it seems like, he may have hit on a few of his draft picks, so I don't fault him there, yet, but he dug his own grave with the rest of the things he did.

Edit: I'm not sure how much of a role the Pro Scouts played on his trades, I think that was more him wanting certain guys and not caring how he got them.
- Sabrehagan

Probably not much, but an AGM likely would. I know it's not the best example, but look at the Seguin trade. Chiarelli asked like 4 different guys. Very rarely are moves made unilaterally totally without input.

Let's say you're out with your buddies and your buddy says "that chick over there is super hot, go for it." and you look and go "why not?" and you wake up a couple of days later pissing razor blades. First of all, dummy, wrap up, second are you going to blame your buddy? Probably, but deep down you know you're the one that took the chance, and you're the one who has to bear the responsibilities, a penicillin shot in the rump.

Edit: I'm fully in the grasp of Ambien, so if that doesn't make any sense, I apologize.

I think TM had some hits and misses with Draft Picks, especially Nylander over Sergachev, but his drafting for the most part wasn't terrible. It was all the other moves he made and the fact that he had no solution when everything went to hell after those moves. He got hard on certain players and wasted assets to get them, while trying to fast track a Rebuild and it blew up in his face. But he did hit, or atleast it seems like, he may have hit on a few of his draft picks, so I don't fault him there, yet, but he dug his own grave with the rest of the things he did.

Edit: I'm not sure how much of a role the Pro Scouts played on his trades, I think that was more him wanting certain guys and not caring how he got them.
- Sabrehagan

Dude cleared our cupboards for a poop sandwich. Unbelievable. That falls on the Pegula's too; terrible hire... how does a guy with no GM experience get the keys to the kingdom...

Probably not much, but an AGM likely would. I know it's not the best example, but look at the Seguin trade. Chiarelli asked like 4 different guys. Very rarely are moves made unilaterally totally without input.

Let's say you're out with your buddies and your buddy says "that chick over there is super hot, go for it." and you look and go "why not?" and you wake up a couple of days later pissing razor blades. First of all, dummy, wrap up, second are you going to blame your buddy? Probably, but deep down you know you're the one that took the chance, and you're the one who has to bear the responsibilities, a penicillin shot in the rump.

Edit: I'm fully in the grasp of Ambien, so if that doesn't make any sense, I apologize.
- Wetbandit1

Party time, or are you actually being productive?

Dude cleared our cupboards for a poop sandwich. Unbelievable. That falls on the Pegula's too; terrible hire... how does a guy with no GM experience get the keys to the kingdom...
- BareMetal

How does anyone?

Murray was also GM of Bing and they won the championship, with Lehner.

My point isn't that Murray "got a raw deal", it's that a vast majority of posters refuse to give credit for the many things he did well.

Probably not much, but an AGM likely would. I know it's not the best example, but look at the Seguin trade. Chiarelli asked like 4 different guys. Very rarely are moves made unilaterally totally without input.

Let's say you're out with your buddies and your buddy says "that chick over there is super hot, go for it." and you look and go "why not?" and you wake up a couple of days later pissing razor blades. First of all, dummy, wrap up, second are you going to blame your buddy? Probably, but deep down you know you're the one that took the chance, and you're the one who has to bear the responsibilities, a penicillin shot in the rump.

Edit: I'm fully in the grasp of Ambien, so if that doesn't make any sense, I apologize.
- Wetbandit1

Nope, Totally makes sense. Enjoy the rest of your Ambien High.

Party time, or are you actually being productive?
- BareMetal

Trying to fall asleep before 7am. I've got another hour before I collapse probably. The Ambien with a poopload of melatonin slows me down enough so I can fall asleep quickly enough before my back starts killing me and I wouldn't be able to sleep at all.

How does anyone?

Murray was also GM of Bing and they won the championship, with Lehner.

My point isn't that Murray "got a raw deal", it's that a vast majority of posters refuse to give credit for the many things he did well.
- Wetbandit1

I give him credit for the good he did, Unfortunately that was few and far between compared to the bad he did. Which is why everyone is so harsh on him, and deservingly so. But he did draft a few gems that hopefully make a good impact on the Sabres sooner rather then later, which is why I don't consider his tenure an Absolute Failure, but it is still close to that. He did some good things but definitely DESERVED to be Fired.

Trying to fall asleep before 7am. I've got another hour before I collapse probably. The Ambien with a poopload of melatonin slows me down enough so I can fall asleep quickly enough before my back starts killing me and I wouldn't be able to sleep at all.
- Wetbandit1

7am? Dafuq?

Why so late?

I took Ambien once at Brick Bar years ago... friend gave it to me for my "stress." Passed out within minutes. Had to be carried out.

Not my proudest moment.

7am? Dafuq?

Why so late?

I took Ambien once at Brick Bar years ago... friend gave it to me for my "stress." Passed out within minutes. Had to be carried out.

Not my proudest moment.
- BareMetal

It has the power to do that but if you are strong enough to hold out and stay awake it does give you a pretty decent high.

I give him credit for the good he did, Unfortunately that was few and far between compared to the bad he did. Which is why everyone is so harsh on him, and deservingly so. But he did draft a few gems that hopefully make a good impact on the Sabres sooner rather then later, which is why I don't consider his tenure an Absolute Failure, but it is still close to that. He did some good things but definitely DESERVED to be Fired.
- Sabrehagan

If he didn't fk up so hard, we probably wouldn't be talking about having Dahlin right now... silver lining.

Watching the prospects tourney is really exciting. The kids look great. Some of the hands on these guys are unbelievable.

It has the power to do that but if you are strong enough to hold out and stay awake it does give you a pretty decent high.
- Sabrehagan

I've heard about ambien nights... people doing poop they don't remember doing. Going for drives, walking around naked... random ass poop.

It has the power to do that but if you are strong enough to hold out and stay awake it does give you a pretty decent high.
- Sabrehagan

It does, it's also the best painkiller. I had an abscessed tooth that hurt like a mother (frank)er, but when I took my Ambien, for like 30-45 minutes I couldn't feel it at all. But it only lasts like half an hour, I'm already back to normal.

I've heard about ambien nights... people doing poop they don't remember doing. Going for drives, walking around naked... random ass poop.
- BareMetal

The thing with Ambien is it's a low level roofie. Its biggest effect is that you don't remember how long it took you to fall asleep, tricking your mind into thinking you got more than you really did.

And that's why you see people doing whacky poop and not remembering any of it.

It does, it's also the best painkiller. I had an abscessed tooth that hurt like a mother (frank)er, but when I took my Ambien, for like 30-45 minutes I couldn't feel it at all. But it only lasts like half an hour, I'm already back to normal.
- Wetbandit1

Yeah you want long term pain relief (High) that still allows you to have fun go with Percocet. Just don't take them on a regular basis, then you will have a problem, but sporadic use can be great. Can also help you sleep.

7am? Dafuq?

Why so late?

I took Ambien once at Brick Bar years ago... friend gave it to me for my "stress." Passed out within minutes. Had to be carried out.

Not my proudest moment.
- BareMetal

Chronic insomnia is a mother(frank)er. I'm like Tyler Durden, except I haven't met a handsome new best friend yet, thankfully.

I've tried everything, no caffeine at all, no booze, no electronics after a certain time, sitting in a dark room. Even with the sleeping pills, all of which I've tried at one point or another don't do a fantastic job. When it was really bad, even taking Ambien, I managed to stay awake for 60 hours with 2 1 hour very light naps. Days are like really long when you don't waste a third of it a sleep, lol

The thing with Ambien is it's a low level roofie. Its biggest effect is that you don't remember how long it took you to fall asleep, tricking your mind into thinking you got more than you really did.

And that's why you see people doing whacky poop and not remembering any of it.
- Wetbandit1

Ambien will knock me out, but it doesn't keep me asleep. I take Trazodone every night for insomnia.

Tonight I'm having a little party of my own, so I'll be up for a while.

Ken Burns doc on Vietnam on Netflix is very good. Though some things are said as factual, when I've read quite the opposite; but what else is new.

This makes things a little more interesting in regards to ROR

https://twitter.com/lkora...tatus/1013293815007006721

Ambien will knock me out, but it doesn't keep me asleep. I take Trazodone every night for insomnia.

Tonight I'm having a little party of my own, so I'll be up for a while.

Ken Burns doc on Vietnam on Netflix is very good. Though some things are said as factual, when I've read quite the opposite; but what else is new.
- BareMetal

Now that will definiteley Knock you out.

Chronic insomnia is a mother(frank)er. I'm like Tyler Durden, except I haven't met a handsome new best friend yet, thankfully.

I've tried everything, no caffeine at all, no booze, no electronics after a certain time, sitting in a dark room. Even with the sleeping pills, all of which I've tried at one point or another don't do a fantastic job. When it was really bad, even taking Ambien, I managed to stay awake for 60 hours with 2 1 hour very light naps. Days are like really long when you don't waste a third of it a sleep, lol
- Wetbandit1

I know that feel, dude. I've been taking trazodone every night for the last 8 years or so just to get a little bit of sleep. It's the only one that keeps me asleep most of the time and doesn't give me a huge hangover the following morning.

I tell people the same poop... I'm pretty much Edward Norton in Fight Club.

This makes things a little more interesting in regards to ROR

https://twitter.com/lkora...tatus/1013293815007006721
- Sabrehagan

That's what I've been wondering about. I have no doubt that the Pegula's couldn't give less of a poop about paying ROR the bonus, and then shipping him out... but what I don't know is how that affects our cap...?

That's what I've been wondering about. I have no doubts that the Pegula's couldn't give less of a poop about paying ROR the bonus, and then shipping him out... but what I don't know is how that affects our cap...?
- BareMetal

It doesn't. If he is traded the entire cap hit goes with him. His Cap Hit is just the Average of the amount of money he is paid throughout the entire contract. After this year, and for the rest of his contract he will be paid $6 M a season and still have a $7.5 M Cap Hit until the contract is done. The rest of the Money has already been paid.

It doesn't. If he is traded the entire cap hit goes with him. His Cap Hit is just the Average of the amount of money he is paid throughout the entire contract. After this year, and for the rest of his contract he will be paid $6 M a season and still have a $7.5 M Cap Hit until the contract is done. The rest of the Money has already been paid.
- Sabrehagan

Good deal then. I think he can get us a solid haul. I never understood most of the hate the dude got, he's a damn fine hockey player. But the more I read about him(speculation at best, really), the more I think it's time for him to move on.

I'm definitely excited to see what we can get for him... I think we're going to be vastly improved next year