Dorion is clinging for dear life around Karlsson's right ankle.
- CupOnBroadSt.

wouldnt you? No matter how great he will get , Sergachev will never be Karlsson. That first he might get will be a late first round. We dont know who else he might get, but none of them will be EK. And since the team that gets the best player usually "win" a trade, Dorion is in a bad bad place.

Maroon wants to come home to St. Louis. Blues have to finish their contract with Edmundson before they know if they can offer Maroon more.

Karlsson might be going to another team not mentioned yet ?

How the hell would the rangers get Kucherov
- 716

Why Tampa would let go of one of their two best forwards in Kucherov in part, to acquire Karlsson is mind boggling, but yet, has been discussed as one option.
The way the Rangers would get him would be in addition to sending an asset(s) to Ottawa, by also taking two of Tampa's contracts off their hands in first, Callahan, (their 2nd highest paid forward at a $5.8M cap hit for 2 more seasons), who will be out due to off season surgery for at least the first month of this season. They would also acquire as one additional option, Coburn's $3.7M contract remaining through this season prior to becoming a UFA, if he agrees to go to the Rangers due to having a Modified NTC.
So that's $9.5M of combined cap space the Rangers would also take off Tampa's hands, to help fit Karlsson in their cap, who is seeking in excess of $11M annually at the least for an 8 year term. Then Tampa will still have a long ways to go during the season, to try and fit into their 2019/20 season's cap, a total of 10 other pro roster free agents alone besides Coburn who they would not likely re-sign anyway. Among those are two other top d'men prospects in Sergachev and Dotchin rumored in part to go to Ottawa in this deal. However, those free agents also include Kucherov who currently at just shy of $4.8M through next June, will be due a large increase on his new contract starting next July.

I can figure out the logic of a Kucherov. Assume Tampa gets enough in dealing Kucherov (Eg picks and prospects) to underwrite a large part of the Ottawa deal or they immediately replenish their prospect pool. If they move Kucherov it means they see Brayden Point as a future team leader. Finally, and I don’t know, are there off ice issues with Kucherov.

Also, possible the delay is simply because it is complicated. And, everyone wants to get it right.

I no longer believe this true. But, at one time I thought the threats of trading Karlsson was Melnyk trying light a fire under future buyers. Even if, the sale of the Sens took place tomorrow it would probably be too late to reverse directions.

Dorion is clinging for dear life to Karlsson's right ankle.
- CupOnBroadSt.

And Yzerman must be the best ankle surgeon in the world as well, in wanting to take that risk with Karlsson, at the expense of possibly a Kucherov and Sergechev. He has to feel otherwise that Karlsson would be their one missing piece for a Cup win, despite many NHL experts thinking they can still win a Cup without him, while retaining both Kucherov and having Sergechev develop into a top NHL d'man.

Cally has to agree to waive. I wouldn't help the Rags out if I was him. At least we'd give him a chance of a deeper run sooner
- smitty426

Good luck paying him while he plays about 10 games for the year moron

I can figure out the logic of a Kucherov. Assume Tampa gets enough in dealing Kucherov (Eg picks and prospects) to underwrite a large part of the Ottawa deal or they immediately replenish their prospect pool. If they move Kucherov it means they see Brayden Point as a future team leader. Finally, and I don’t know, are there off ice issues with Kucherov.

Also, possible the delay is simply because it is complicated. And, everyone wants to get it right.

I no longer believe this true. But, at one time I thought the threats of trading Karlsson was Melnyk trying light a fire under future buyers. Even if, the sale of the Sens took place tomorrow it would probably be too late to reverse directions.
- spatso

Brayden Point is also one of those 11 total Pro roster free agents that Tampa will have to consider to bring back next summer.
I agree with you in that the delay is due to the overall situation of all who may be involved in any deal being "complicated". However, I was wondering if it could also be due to Karlsson holding up the situation, as Tavares had done through last Sunday before deciding to sign closer to his original hometown with the Leafs.
I became aware of Karlsson refusing Ottawa's extension offer of 8 years in excess of $80M (reported on July 1st), through Bruce Garrioch of "The Ottawa Sun". Earlier, E.K. had stated that he would not re-sign with Ottawa unless their ownership changed hands. So do you think that outside of first likely wanting to play on the same team with his friend in Hedman in Tampa, maybe he is awaiting anxiously in hope as long as possible for Melnyk to first sell the franchise, if he is truly and seriously trying to sell it?

Yzerman knows how to win Cups. He is trying to rebuild a Tampa version of his Wings dynasty. Part of that dynasty was the best Swedish D-man to ever play (Lidstrom), and the Russian line. Kucherov is the anchor of the Russian presence in Tampa and he is arguably more potent than Stamkos. Yzerman letting Kucherov go to get Karlsson would be a lateral move at best, or addition by substraction - which is something Yzerman is not known for historically. I seriously doubt Kucherov goes anywhere - except to the bank in Tampa when the ink on his new contract here dries.

Kucherov's name keeps popping up because every team wants him and every team hopes the Bolts cannot keep him due to salary concerns, so it's natural for opposing GM's to inquire about him. That doesn't mean it's happening or even being considered seriously.
- GalacticStone

If they have aspirations on getting EK, I’d love to see how they plan on keeping Kucherov aswell. It’s gonna be 20-22 mill for them combined and you’d still need to fill out a roster, and that’s before the raises for the goalie/Point and maybe even Gourde. Stevie Y is a great GM, but he isn’t Harry Houdini. Also, no team is going to take on that much dumped salary without getting something pretty significant in return.

If they have aspirations on getting EK, I’d love to see how they plan on keeping Kucherov aswell. It’s gonna be 20-22 mill for them combined and you’d still need to fill out a roster, and that’s before the raises for the goalie/Point and maybe even Gourde. Stevie Y is a great GM, but he isn’t Harry Houdini. Also, no team is going to take on that much dumped salary without getting something pretty significant in return.
- Slimtj100

They lose 11Mil next year just on defense. so if you accept a drop of quality in the bottom six, it could be done. barely.

One could argue that Karlsson for Kucherov (with a 3rd team) would benefit the Bolts because the pt difference wouldn’t be astronomical and your getting the best RHD in the leauge. And TB needs to get one more dman to get over the top. I don’t think it’s outlandish Kuch gets dealt. The TB writer, not ek, said it’s not completely eronious to think that basically

They lose 11Mil next year just on defense. so if you accept a drop of quality in the bottom six, it could be done. barely.
- BoutchBouchard

I dunno man. I’m not a math major, but your looking at 75 mill (thereabouts) on the roster after those UFAs are gone and before the raises of the other guys needed

I thought of this monster trade lol

Ott gets Kreider or Zibanejad, Buchnevich and TBs pick the Rangers have
TB gets Karlsson and Zuccarello
NYR get Kucherov, Callahan and Bobby Ryan

My thinking is the Rangers need to get a monster player to take on all that salary

To Ottawa
F Tyler Johnson
F Taylor Raddysh
D Anton Stralman [2 x 4.5m extension]
D Braydon Coburn
D Cal Foote

To New York
F Ryan Callahan
$1.5m of Zack Smith
$2m of Bobby Ryan contract
2020 1st [TB]
2019 3rd [OTT]

To Tampa
F Bobby Ryan [5.25 cap hit]
F Zack Smith [1.75 cap hit]
D Erik Karlsson [8 x 9.5m]

My guess some of that will happen

To Ottawa
F Tyler Johnson
F Taylor Raddysh
D Anton Stralman
- AlfieisKing[2 x 4.5m extension]
D Braydon Coburn
D Cal Foote

To New York
F Ryan Callahan
$1.5m of Zack Smith
$2m of Bobby Ryan contract
2020 1st [TB]
2019 3rd [OTT]

To Tampa
F Bobby Ryan [5.25 cap hit]
F Zack Smith [1.75 cap hit]
D Erik Karlsson [8 x 9.5m]

My guess some of that will happen

...And then we will have another lockout

If callahan is injured or just had surgery. I dont think he can be traded.

To Ottawa
F Tyler Johnson
F Taylor Raddysh
D Anton Stralman
- AlfieisKing[2 x 4.5m extension]
D Braydon Coburn
D Cal Foote

To New York
F Ryan Callahan
$1.5m of Zack Smith
$2m of Bobby Ryan contract
2020 1st [TB]
2019 3rd [OTT]

To Tampa
F Bobby Ryan [5.25 cap hit]
F Zack Smith [1.75 cap hit]
D Erik Karlsson [8 x 9.5m]

My guess some of that will happen

I thought of this monster trade lol

Ott gets Kreider or Zibanejad, Buchnevich and TBs pick the Rangers have
TB gets Karlsson and Zuccarello
NYR get Kucherov, Callahan and Bobby Ryan

My thinking is the Rangers need to get a monster player to take on all that salary
- Slimtj100

According to word out there, it's believed that the Rangers are not willing to take on Bobby Ryan's annual $7.25M for its remaining 4 seasons, and that right now, Vegas is still the only one officially that will. If the Rangers took on Ryan's contract, it would prevent them from going after through one option, some of the mid to upper tier free agents starting in the next summer or two.

Brayden Point is also one of those 11 total Pro roster free agents that Tampa will have to consider to bring back next summer.
I agree with you in that the delay is due to the overall situation of all who may be involved in any deal being "complicated". However, I was wondering if it could also be due to Karlsson holding up the situation, as Tavares had done through last Sunday before deciding to sign closer to his original hometown with the Leafs.
I became aware of Karlsson refusing Ottawa's extension offer of 8 years in excess of $80M (reported on July 1st), through Bruce Garrioch of "The Ottawa Sun". Earlier, E.K. had stated that he would not re-sign with Ottawa unless their ownership changed hands. So do you think that outside of first likely wanting to play on the same team with his friend in Hedman in Tampa, maybe he is awaiting anxiously in hope as long as possible for Melnyk to first sell the franchise, if he is truly and seriously trying to sell it?
- RangerSaver

Karlsson has been pretty transparent. He has repeatedly said he would prefer to stay in Ottawa. He has been equally clear he does not want to resign with a Melnyk owned team. Alfredsson has been closely linked to one of the groups trying to buy the Sens. It has always been my assumption that Karlsson would resign if that group was successful in buying out Melnyk.

If Kucherov is available, it is entirely perplexing to me why Ottawa would not take him back in the deal. It is a modest salary in relation to the talent and if the $000 demand is too rich for Melnyk at the end of next season they could have another auction.

Something here is out of synch. It sounds like Tampa wants to move him for yet to be understood reasons. Is there something missing? How did Kucherov perform in the playoffs this year? Did he show up?

If callahan is injured or just had surgery. I dont think he can be traded.
- poisondhearts37

The word of the Rangers being willing to take on both Coburn's (1 year $3.7M left) & Callahan's (2 years left at $5.8M per year) contracts off Tampa's hands, is due to them also acquiring a piece or more as a benefit, whether that would be a Kucherov, or some other player &/or top prospect(s) or pick(s). The Rangers aren't going to do Tampa a favor for free in taking on those two contracts to give them $9.5M in cap relief for this season, without something like that in return. They would also have to give Ottawa some asset(s), as well as Tampa possibly, should it be Kucherov the one coming to them in return.

I checked. Both Kucherov and Point had good playoff stats over 17 games. Next year, is Kucherov going to be worth an 8 year deal at $7m plus? You would think multiple teams would want to make offers if Yzerman made him avaiable.

The Kucherov part of this riddle is a brain teaser.

The word of the Rangers being willing to take on both Coburn's (1 year $3.7M left) & Callahan's (2 years left at $5.8M per year) contracts off Tampa's hands, is due to them also acquiring a piece or more as a benefit, whether that would be a Kucherov, or some other player &/or top prospect(s) or pick(s). The Rangers aren't going to do Tampa a favor for free in taking on those two contracts to give them $9.5M in cap relief for this season, without something like that in return. They would also have to give Ottawa some asset(s), as well as Tampa possibly, should it be Kucherov the one coming to them in return.
- RangerSaver

Thats all besides the point. if hes injured im pretty sure he cant be traded. I dont care about the favors teams are doing and not doing. And if hes going to miss the first month of the season. Then he's for sure injured.

The word of the Rangers being willing to take on both Coburn's (1 year $3.7M left) & Callahan's (2 years left at $5.8M per year) contracts off Tampa's hands, is due to them also acquiring a piece or more as a benefit, whether that would be a Kucherov, or some other player &/or top prospect(s) or pick(s). The Rangers aren't going to do Tampa a favor for free in taking on those two contracts to give them $9.5M in cap relief for this season, without something like that in return. They would also have to give Ottawa some asset(s), as well as Tampa possibly, should it be Kucherov the one coming to them in return.
- RangerSaver

Makes sense until you put Kucherov into the discussion. Why would Yzerman not be asking for a huge return. He led the league in scoring most of the year.

Karlsson has been pretty transparent. He has repeatedly said he would prefer to stay in Ottawa. He has been equally clear he does not want to resign with a Melnyk owned team. Alfredsson has been closely linked to one of the groups trying to buy the Sens. It has always been my assumption that Karlsson would resign if that group was successful in buying out Melnyk.

If Kucherov is available, it is entirely perplexing to me why Ottawa would not take him back in the deal. It is a modest salary in relation to the talent and if the $000 demand is too rich for Melnyk at the end of next season they could have another auction.

Something here is out of synch. It sounds like Tampa wants to move him for yet to be understood reasons. Is there something missing? How did Kucherov perform in the playoffs this year? Did he show up?
- spatso

Thank you for acknowledging my earlier thoughts and request.
As for Kucherov, there were two main contact incidents in the Finals against the Capitals, where I believe in a game, he may have initially administered some type of forceful hit or even a stick incident against a Capitals player, and then later had received a similar or related to payback in return that may have shaken him up slightly. I don't believe that he sustained anything of a noteworthy magnitude injury wise, unless Tampa has kept that a secret all along since then.

Also. Tampa isnt in a bad spot salary wise. Sure Callahan needs to go. But they dont need to pay someone to move Coburn. They dont even need to move him at all. 1 year left on his contract.