Would Skinner want to come here?
- PrinceChill

As far as a team perspective, if I were him, I would personally love to come here, if offered the opportunity.

Stripes laid it out already, but the opportunity to excel and build my brand with an elite, young center and a franchise D man?

I think you have to respect what the Sabres are building here, and the opportunity for top 6 wingers to play with 2 elite centers.

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- Hatboro_Swords

Suck it, Beady

I recall seeing wrists slit over this guy.

Drake Caggiula: Keep this guy as far away from the productive players as humanly possible. Caggiula is one of those players that looks like he is doing things but upon taking a closer look it's clear to see he hurts offense.

Projections on the lineup with Skinner:

Skinner 30g 28a 58 points
Eichel 28g 47a 75 points
Reinhart 28g 26a 54 points

Sheary 20g 20a 40 points
Mittelstadt 25g 30a 55 points
Okposo 25g 25a 50 points

Sobotka 15g 20a 35pts
Berglund 16g 22a 38pts
Thompson 15g 19a 34pts

Wilson 8g 10a 18pts
E-Rod 10g 10a 20pt
Pomminville 15g 10a 25pts

Risto 8g 30a 38pts
Dahlin 15g 28a 43pts

Scandella 3g 15a 18pts
Bogo 7g 13a 20pts

Nelson 4g 15a 19pts
Guhle 6g 15a 21pts

278 goals...

Probably 25 goals too high but I see an improvement. 250 goals puts them in the middle of the league. It is a huge jump from last year but last year was a hot mess all around. Hell even 230 goals would be a huge improvement.

I think Hutton is going to surprise some people and be a good starter.

Where I from? No.
- 51_Killer

Never been to buttplug, I'm not one to assume

Projections on the lineup with Skinner:

Skinner 30g 28a 58 points
Eichel 28g 47a 75 points
Reinhart 28g 26a 54 points

Sheary 20g 20a 40 points
Mittelstadt 25g 30a 55 points
Okposo 25g 25a 50 points

Sobotka 15g 20a 35pts
Berglund 16g 22a 38pts
Thompson 15g 19a 34pts

Wilson 8g 10a 18pts
E-Rod 10g 10a 20pt
Pomminville 15g 10a 25pts

Risto 8g 30a 38pts
Dahlin 15g 28a 43pts

Scandella 3g 15a 18pts
Bogo 7g 13a 20pts

Nelson 4g 15a 19pts
Guhle 6g 15a 21pts

278 goals...

Probably 25 goals too high but I see an improvement. 250 goals puts them in the middle of the league. It is a huge jump from last year but last year was a hot mess all around. Hell even 230 goals would be a huge improvement.

I think Hutton is going to surprise some people and be a good starter.
- Stripes77

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Projections on the lineup with Skinner:

Skinner 30g 28a 58 points
Eichel 28g 47a 75 points
Reinhart 28g 26a 54 points

Sheary 20g 20a 40 points
Mittelstadt 25g 30a 55 points
Okposo 25g 25a 50 points

Sobotka 15g 20a 35pts
Berglund 16g 22a 38pts
Thompson 15g 19a 34pts

Wilson 8g 10a 18pts
E-Rod 10g 10a 20pt
Pomminville 15g 10a 25pts

Risto 8g 30a 38pts
Dahlin 15g 28a 43pts

Scandella 3g 15a 18pts
Bogo 7g 13a 20pts

Nelson 40g 150a 190pts
Guhle 6g 15a 21pts

278 goals...

Probably 25 goals too high but I see an improvement. 250 goals puts them in the middle of the league. It is a huge jump from last year but last year was a hot mess all around. Hell even 230 goals would be a huge improvement.

I think Hutton is going to surprise some people and be a good starter.
- Stripes77

Word

Projections on the lineup with Skinner:

Skinner 30g 28a 58 points
Eichel 28g 47a 75 points
Reinhart 28g 26a 54 points

Sheary 20g 20a 40 points
Mittelstadt 25g 30a 55 points
Okposo 25g 25a 50 points

Sobotka 15g 20a 35pts
Berglund 16g 22a 38pts
Thompson 15g 19a 34pts

Wilson 8g 10a 18pts
E-Rod 10g 10a 20pt
Pomminville 15g 10a 25pts

Risto 8g 30a 38pts
Dahlin 15g 28a 43pts

Scandella 3g 15a 18pts
Bogo 7g 13a 20pts

Nelson 4g 15a 19pts
Guhle 6g 15a 21pts

278 goals...

Probably 25 goals too high but I see an improvement. 250 goals puts them in the middle of the league. It is a huge jump from last year but last year was a hot mess all around. Hell even 230 goals would be a huge improvement.

I think Hutton is going to surprise some people and be a good starter.
- Stripes77

6 guys over 20 goals is a huge stretch........

So what is the standard deal folks are assuming in a Skinner trade? Is it McCabe, Nylander and the Stl 1st? Do we think that’s enough?

Thank you for putting numbers next to names. I wish more people would do this. I salute you.
- PrinceChill

I know there will be people I am way off on too high

But I think there will be some people that might be too low

I think they should score between 230-250 goals this coming season.

That's a 32-52 goal increase from last year.

Why do I think this is going to happen?

ROR's pp production will be easily replaced. Guys on the PP get points plain and simple.

I think Mittelstadt can easily handle those PP minutes.

I believe Reinhart is a 55-60 point player

I think Sheary will look good on Mittelstadts's wing.

Hutton will have a .920 save percentage
Ullmark will have a .913 save percentage

Hutton will start 50 games for the Sabres

Dahlin will take time to adjust to the smaller ice surface but will absolutely dominate on the PP.

Risto will be better in his own zone and anchor the 2nd PP unit.

This team will be a lot better 5 on 5

6 guys over 20 goals is a huge stretch........
- buffalokb

They had 4 last year

Okposo had 15 and Pomminville had 16

6 is doable if they're adding Skinner

I know there will be people I am way off on too high

But I think there will be some people that might be too low

I think they should score between 230-250 goals this coming season.

That's a 32-52 goal increase from last year.

Why do I think this is going to happen?

ROR's pp production will be easily replaced. Guys on the PP get points plain and simple.

I think Mittelstadt can easily handle those PP minutes.

I believe Reinhart is a 55-60 point player

I think Sheary will look good on Mittelstadts's wing.

Hutton will have a .920 save percentage
Ullmark will have a .913 save percentage

Hutton will start 50 games for the Sabres

Dahlin will take time to adjust to the smaller ice surface but will absolutely dominate on the PP.

Risto will be better in his own zone and anchor the 2nd PP unit.

This team will be a lot better 5 on 5
- Stripes77

You put forth a compelling argument. And I’m pleased to see someone else backing an increase in Rino production. And I think your thoughts on the PP are spot on.

Injuries can derail ANY teams’ best laid plans. And some of your estimations bend toward “best case SCENARIO”, but WTF, it’s July and a little pep talk did me good.

Is there some rumor circulating that we are in on Skinner?

Is there some rumor circulating that we are in on Skinner?
- Cup Crazy '07

There has been for a while, I'm not sure we waives to come here though

So what is the standard deal folks are assuming in a Skinner trade? Is it McCabe, Nylander and the Stl 1st? Do we think that’s enough?
- PrinceChill

Hard to answer if you don't know what Carolina wants. The way they were talking, it sounded like they wanted to purge, but then they go get Hamilton for their 3C and 3D. I don't really know what they're doing. I don't think anyone's going to pony up without an extension in place. Does Skinner's ask make sense for the team? Maybe? Will he be declining when we need him the most? Perhaps. "What's fair" is a million different answers.

I can't imagine they have too much interest in McCabe, considering they signed De Haan and TVR, along with having Slavin. McCabe is a better player than TVR, but I don't think he adds a lot of value in a trade to them.

I think you could use a combination of picks and prospects to make something work. That's the only thing that would make sense for both teams. Use a 1st, offer them Smith or Nylander or Asplund or Pu. See if they have any use for Zemgus Larsson or Nick Bailey.

Hard to answer if you don't know what Carolina wants. The way they were talking, it sounded like they wanted to purge, but then they go get Hamilton for their 3C and 3D. I don't really know what they're doing. I don't think anyone's going to pony up without an extension in place. Does Skinner's ask make sense for the team? Maybe? Will he be declining when we need him the most? Perhaps. "What's fair" is a million different answers.

I can't imagine they have too much interest in McCabe, considering they signed De Haan and TVR, along with having Slavin. McCabe is a better player than TVR, but I don't think he adds a lot of value in a trade to them.

I think you could use a combination of picks and prospects to make something work. That's the only thing that would make sense for both teams. Use a 1st, offer them Smith or Nylander or Asplund or Pu. See if they have any use for Zemgus Larsson or Nick Bailey.
- TheSabresTaco

Thanks for your thoughts on this. He’s a very good player that one would think could command a nice price.

I was sorta asking for Stripes who had him plugged into the lineup and the only guy I couldn’t find, off the top of my head, was McCabe.

I do really like the idea of Skinner and have for a couple of years. And not just because I’m a big fan of the Simpsons. We all saw how that turned out with McBain...

Is there some rumor circulating that we are in on Skinner?
- Cup Crazy '07

just rumors. and Ek. So.....

not really. ROR/Skinner base deal was all the jazz a couple weeks ago. But I don't think that's happening...

Who knows if they're in on Skinner, who knows if he'd accept a trade here/re-sign here, who knows what Carolina wants for him, who knows if the Sabres have the required pieces to acquire him without creating other holes.

just rumors. and Ek. So.....

not really. ROR/Skinner base deal was all the jazz a couple weeks ago. But I don't think that's happening...

Who knows if they're in on Skinner, who knows if he'd accept a trade here/re-sign here, who knows what Carolina wants for him, who knows if the Sabres have the required pieces to acquire him without creating other holes.
- TheSabresTaco

Yeah, so no...haha!

I wish we could get in on him. I think our firsts would be able to get the job done, especially if they don't think they can re-sign him. Two of our three + a prospect could do it. I just would want to ensure that we could re-sign him though.

Thanks for your thoughts on this. He’s a very good player that one would think could command a nice price.

I was sorta asking for Stripes who had him plugged into the lineup and the only guy I couldn’t find, off the top of my head, was McCabe.

I do really like the idea of Skinner and have for a couple of years. And not just because I’m a big fan of the Simpsons. We all saw how that turned out with McBain...
- PrinceChill

Nice reference. Yeah I've been on the Skinner train for a few years now too. I really like the player and analytically, he'd be a superb fit here to play with Eichel.

Yeah, so no...haha!

I wish we could get in on him. I think our firsts would be able to get the job done, especially if they don't think they can re-sign him. Two of our three + a prospect could do it. I just would want to ensure that we could re-sign him though.
- Cup Crazy '07

There's no way Botts would use 2 1sts on Skinner. A 1st and a different year's 2nd is definitely plausible. But yeah, if you're using that currency plus an A prospect, you're negotiating with his agent about an extension prior to trade.

He needs to waive his NMC as well.

There's no way Botts would use 2 1sts on Skinner. A 1st and a different year's 2nd is definitely plausible. But yeah, if you're using that currency plus an A prospect, you're negotiating with his agent about an extension prior to trade.

He needs to waive his NMC as well.
- TheSabresTaco

I think Skinner and another RHD would put us close to a playoff spot

There's no way Botts would use 2 1sts on Skinner. A 1st and a different year's 2nd is definitely plausible. But yeah, if you're using that currency plus an A prospect, you're negotiating with his agent about an extension prior to trade.

He needs to waive his NMC as well.
- TheSabresTaco

If Skinner wanted to be here, and if Botts wanted him here, he'd be here already. He probably would have been moved at the draft. Skinner seems incredibly unlikely to me

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If Skinner wanted to be here, and if Botts wanted him here, he'd be here already. He probably would have been moved at the draft. Skinner seems incredibly unlikely to me
- jcragcrumple

Eh, we don't know that. League talk is all but dead for at least another month. I don't think it's fair to assume he'd already be here. There's a chance Botts wants to see the guys in training camp before he uses futures to get a guy like Skinner.

On top of that, I'm not certain if this is true (don't remember) but I think Skinner's named was publicly bandied about as trade bait by Dundon. That to me doesn't sound like they want to re-sign him. Or he's ready to move on. All just speculation. But if they want him to go, or he wants to go, lifting that NMC should be pretty easy for him. And hopefully he expands it a little.

If Skinner wanted to be here, and if Botts wanted him here, he'd be here already. He probably would have been moved at the draft. Skinner seems incredibly unlikely to me
- jcragcrumple

Considering ROR was the main piece that everyone had being moved at the draft and that didn't happen until July 1st I think you're wrong