I'm not sure that Schenn is the 1c in St Louis this year. Didn't the Blues sign or trade for another center?
Edit
Had brain fart. They got ROR. I will be surprised if SCHENN breaks camp as 1c.
- jaws1955

Depends on how you look at it. Some teams have two first line centers. The Flyers might in the near future. Playing center and scoring 28 goals and 70 points makes you a #1 center.

Depends on how you look at it. Some teams have two first line centers. The Flyers might in the near future. Playing center and scoring 28 goals and 70 points makes you a #1 center.
- MJL

At the risk of starting a long winded debate, which I will NOT participate in here goes.
Don't care how many points you get. If your team has a center that plays on the first line, and it is NOT you, then you are NOT at that moment in time a 1c. Can't play two positions at the same time. If you start at 2c, then you, at that moment in time are a 2c. May be able to play the position, but for some reason, your own team thinks they have a better option.
On a side note, it will be interesting to see if Schenn fairs as well this year, especially if he is not playing with Taresanko and Schwartz.
I liked Schenn as a player here, was surprised by the trade. But he played his best hockey on the wing and his best times were on the line with Coots.
Schwartz drove the possession numbers on that line. The line cratered without him.
I haven't researched numbers on this, so don't throw stats at me. I'm just going by my memory of watching box scores and some Blues games.

At the risk of starting a long winded debate, which I will NOT participate in here goes.
Don't care how many points you get. If your team has a center that plays on the first line, and it is NOT you, then you are NOT at that moment in time a 1c. Can't play two positions at the same time. If you start at 2c, then you, at that moment in time are a 2c. May be able to play the position, but for some reason, your own team thinks they have a better option.
On a side note, it will be interesting to see if Schenn fairs as well this year, especially if he is not playing with Taresanko and Schwartz.
I liked Schenn as a player here, was surprised by the trade. But he played his best hockey on the wing and his best times were on the line with Coots.
Schwartz drove the possession numbers on that line. The line cratered without him.
I haven't researched numbers on this, so don't throw stats at me. I'm just going by my memory of watching box scores and some Blues games.
- jaws1955

1C is not a position. Center is a position. So you want to tell me that on the Pittsburgh Penguins if Crosby is centering what is labeled the first line, and Malkin is centering what is labeled the 2nd line then Malkin is not a first line NHL center?
First line center is a connotation for how good a player is and what his ability is rather than on what number is assigned to the line he plays on. At least in my book.

Btw, Flyers have two guys NOW that can be 1c. One however played 1LW and as a result is no longer a 1c. But last year he was the best (frank)ing 1LW in the entire (frank)ing league. He also got (frank)ED out of the Hart trophy.
I think by the end of this year, the Flyers could and should have three guys that can be 1c. Hopefully only one of them will play each, 1c, 1LW and 2c with a full 82 game season.

At the risk of starting a long winded debate, which I will NOT participate in here goes.
Don't care how many points you get. If your team has a center that plays on the first line, and it is NOT you, then you are NOT at that moment in time a 1c. Can't play two positions at the same time. If you start at 2c, then you, at that moment in time are a 2c. May be able to play the position, but for some reason, your own team thinks they have a better option.
On a side note, it will be interesting to see if Schenn fairs as well this year, especially if he is not playing with Taresanko and Schwartz.
I liked Schenn as a player here, was surprised by the trade. But he played his best hockey on the wing and his best times were on the line with Coots.
Schwartz drove the possession numbers on that line. The line cratered without him.
I haven't researched numbers on this, so don't throw stats at me. I'm just going by my memory of watching box scores and some Blues games.
- jaws1955

Lol except Andrew MacDonald. The top 4 defender because he plays in the top 4

Lol except Andrew MacDonald. The top 4 defender because he plays in the top 4
- YuenglingJagr

Nope, MacDonald is a top 4 defender because his ability has led him to play a top 4 defensive role pretty much his entire career.

1C is not a position. Center is a position. So you want to tell me that on the Pittsburgh Penguins if Crosby is centering what is labeled the first line, and Malkin is centering what is labeled the 2nd line then Malkin is not a first line NHL center?
First line center is a connotation for how good a player is and what his ability is rather than on what number is assigned to the line he plays on. At least in my book.
- MJL

Well my man, that's where we differ. In the 30 years that I played hockey, (how many years did you play again?) Never once was I considered a first line player, if I was on the second line. Why, because if I was on the second line it meant there was a better option on the first line.
YES, ON THE PENGUINS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, HE IS THE 2C.
You can spin points however you want. Can he be the 1c? Not if Crosby is playing in that game. He has done it in the past when Sid was out. But in the games when both play, Crosby is the better player, better option and therefore the 1c. That makes Malkin the 2c. BTW, I don't think there is a team in the league other than the Pens, where he is not the best center on the team, ok, Oilers too.
I like Mathews a lot. I've seen Barkov a lot in person.. But Sid, Malkin, McDavid and Mathews may be in the top 5. It's a real small list of players better than Malkin.

I guess it doesn't really matter since this planet will be trashed by the time they hit middle age Hopefully science can find a way to bail us out by then.

I know I have outed myself and most of you probably think I am some left wing elitist douchebag nutjob. That's fine, just stating my beliefs, but I will drop it at this time. I wish you all the best, no hard feelings. I will go back to posting the occasional hockey remark, the occasional sarcastic remark, and lurking.
- Fryman4

The alien invaders will need fossil fuels in 200 years when they take over earth and by that time plastic straws will be broken down in landfills, drainage ditches etc.
Why do you hate terrestrial aliens so much? Must be some kind of rascist.

At the risk of starting a long winded debate, which I will NOT participate in here goes.
- jaws1955

1C is not a position. Center is a position. So you want to tell me that on the Pittsburgh Penguins if Crosby is centering what is labeled the first line, and Malkin is centering what is labeled the 2nd line then Malkin is not a first line NHL center?
First line center is a connotation for how good a player is and what his ability is rather than on what number is assigned to the line he plays on. At least in my book.
- MJL

Well my man, that's where we differ. In the 30 years that I played hockey, (how many years did you play again?) Never once was I considered a first line player, if I was on the second line. Why, because if I was on the second line it meant there was a better option on the first line.
YES, ON THE PENGUINS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, HE IS THE 2C.
You can spin points however you want. Can he be the 1c? Not if Crosby is playing in that game. He has done it in the past when Sid was out. But in the games when both play, Crosby is the better player, better option and therefore the 1c. That makes Malkin the 2c. BTW, I don't think there is a team in the league other than the Pens, where he is not the best center on the team, ok, Oilers too.
I like Mathews a lot. I've seen Barkov a lot in person.. But Sid, Malkin, McDavid and Mathews may be in the top 5. It's a real small list of players better than Malkin.
- jaws1955

Nope, MacDonald is a top 4 defender because his ability has led him to play a top 4 defensive role pretty much his entire career.
- MJL

Not sure how this happened, but I see AMac in a different light then I used to. In the last three years, we have seen the games of first Ghost, then Provey and finally Sanhiem all stabilise while paired with AMac. On top of all three saying how much he helped them to adjust to the league.

Nope, MacDonald is a top 4 defender because his ability has led him to play a top 4 defensive role pretty much his entire career.
- MJL

strong defensive player yet a career minus in almost every major category

I have nothing against G playing wing again for another season or the rest of his career but we’re clearly weak at center. The question is, can Coots bring the same production against this season. If he can, the second question becomes whether or not you guys want a one line team or a balanced team up front. These are legitimate concerns.
- SuperSchennBros

https://www.tsn.ca/the-no...condary-assists-1.1134501

This article would suggest Coots ran bad during his most productive season, the odds of a repeat are pretty good.

For the second question, how are you coming up with one good line or balanced?

we have 2 good lines with JVR acquisition, thus an inherently deeper 3rd line and 4th line...

are we not balanced unless G goes back in the middle?

- Giroux_Is_God

See, the SOB sucked me in, lol. It is rare that I am on here when my comments would be time relevant. Also (frank)ing bored to tears without hockey. Must be to engage MJL.

Nope, MacDonald is a top 4 defender because his ability has led him to play a top 4 defensive role pretty much his entire career.
- MJL

Can’t wait to have that explanation for jack Johnson shoved down my throat this year. Ugh.

Can’t wait to have that explanation for jack Johnson shoved down my throat this year. Ugh.
- stayinthefnnet

Don't forget the 4 years after that

sry

Well my man, that's where we differ. In the 30 years that I played hockey, (how many years did you play again?) Never once was I considered a first line player, if I was on the second line. Why, because if I was on the second line it meant there was a better option on the first line.
YES, ON THE PENGUINS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, HE IS THE 2C.
You can spin points however you want. Can he be the 1c? Not if Crosby is playing in that game. He has done it in the past when Sid was out. But in the games when both play, Crosby is the better player, better option and therefore the 1c. That makes Malkin the 2c. BTW, I don't think there is a team in the league other than the Pens, where he is not the best center on the team, ok, Oilers too.
I like Mathews a lot. I've seen Barkov a lot in person.. But Sid, Malkin, McDavid and Mathews may be in the top 5. It's a real small list of players better than Malkin.
- jaws1955

What about the games when Malkins line starts out first? Is he the one C in that game? Their differences in ice team is usually non existent. Same on the power play. I know this is semantic, but I think that’s the point. The nhl is changing and labels don’t mean as much anymore. Ice time and method of use means more. In my opinion anyway

Don't forget the 4 years after that

sry
- Giroux_Is_God

No you aren’t haha and nor should you be. Comedic gold but for the fact it’s painfully true.

See, the SOB sucked me in, lol. It is rare that I am on here when my comments would be time relevant. Also (frank)ing bored to tears without hockey. Must be to engage MJL.
- jaws1955

You could always play fortnite with YJ

What about the games when Malkins line starts out first? Is he the one C in that game? Their differences in ice team is usually non existent. Same on the power play. I know this is semantic, but I think that’s the point. The nhl is changing and labels don’t mean as much anymore. Ice time and method of use means more. In my opinion anyway
- stayinthefnnet

In order to win you have to be able to roll 3 effective lines. Matchups are a major factor in getting the most out of certain lines. What I'm saying is I agree with you. Another example of why line labels are fading into memories is when players are now often referred to as top 6 middle 6 or bottom 6 players as opposed to 1st liners/2nd liners etc.

No you aren’t haha and nor should you be. Comedic gold but for the fact it’s painfully true.
- stayinthefnnet

I'm not. I lied.

However, the phillies are making me happy. Shame they couldn't execute in that first game today.

any flat earth believers in here?

let's have a polite discussion

any flat earth believers in here?

let's have a polite discussion
- Mordecai

https://www.tsn.ca/the-noise-surrounding-secondary-assists-1.1134501

This article would suggest Coots ran bad during his most productive season, the odds of a repeat are pretty good.

For the second question, how are you coming up with one good line or balanced?

we have 2 good lines with JVR acquisition, thus an inherently deeper 3rd line and 4th line...

are we not balanced unless G goes back in the middle?
- BroadStParade

Interesting read. So stats say Coots was unlucky to the tune of 7 points on average for secondary assists.
I think Coots may regress a bit in goals this year, depending who he plays with. G started a real goal year in the second half. TK scored more in the second half as well. Coots scored bunches early. His role on the line changed when Jake got moved to Patrick's Line. Coots had an increase in assists but scored less frequently. It took ages for him to get off 29 to hit 30 goals.

- Giroux_Is_God

tHe IcE wAlL bR0o0

Don't forget the 4 years after that

sry
- Giroux_Is_God

Lol