Interesting to read what everyone thinks Nurse is worth. In reality Chia will give him 5.25x5 and people will hate it.
- fry

I think he wants more. I'm not sure I'd even give him 5 at this point.

I think he wants more. I'm not sure I'd even give him 5 at this point.
- Lahey

Ridiculous if he wants more. As u said, he’s not even worth 5 or super close to it today.

Klefbom type cash long term or bridge at around 3. Just that simple. Don’t even consider caving chia

Ridiculous if he wants more. As u said, he’s not even worth 5 or super close to it today.

Klefbom type cash long term or bridge at around 3. Just that simple. Don’t even consider caving chia
- HB77

Well at least Chia has been great at his signings so far. No need to worry!

Ridiculous if he wants more. As u said, he’s not even worth 5 or super close to it today.

Klefbom type cash long term or bridge at around 3. Just that simple. Don’t even consider caving chia
- HB77

Not ridiculous based on comparable players. Matheson is likely the closest we can compare him to and he got 4.875 over 8 years. Nurse has even outperformed him in a number of capacities.

Not ridiculous based on comparable players. Matheson is likely the closest we can compare him to and he got 4.875 over 8 years. Nurse has even outperformed him in a number of capacities.
- MaximumBone

Not ridiculous when u base your entire ethos on fancies. Which I don’t do. And never will. Cause assessing player value is nuanced. Not only mathematical. If you haven’t figured that out yet, i fear we’ll Do this circle jerk anytime someone has a random number you like and I think is more often than not subject to massive interpretation.

Imo, it’s absolutely ridiculous to even strongly consider him at over 5. Especially for a cap strapped team. which then introduces further nuance into the conversation as we don’t have identical structures when they made their signing.

There’s A ton of holes in nurses game And certainly no guarantee we ever get value years at a figure like that. And he’s certainly not more valuable to us than Larsson or Klefbom at present. So again, imo, I don’t even really consider him at over 5

Not ridiculous when u base your entire ethos on fancies. Which I don’t do. And never will. Cause assessing player value is nuanced. Not only mathematical. If you haven’t figured that out yet, i fear we’ll Do this circle jerk anytime someone has a random number you like and I think is more often than not subject to massive interpretation.

Imo, it’s absolutely ridiculous to even strongly consider him at over 5. Especially for a cap strapped team. which then introduces further nuance into the conversation as we don’t have identical structures when they made their signing.

There’s A ton of holes in nurses game And certainly no guarantee we ever get value years at a figure like that. And he’s certainly not more valuable to us than Larsson or Klefbom at present. So again, imo, I don’t even really consider him at over 5
- HB77

In what world do you believe it's fair to say I base my whole decision on fancies? Kinda sounds like a big "(frank) you" for you to suggest that. I'm aware my evaluation method leans on stats more than yours but to suggest that extreme seems needlessly provocative.

In what world do you believe it's fair to say I base my whole decision on fancies? Kinda sounds like a big "(frank) you" for you to suggest that. I'm aware my evaluation method leans on stats more than yours but to suggest that extreme seems needlessly provocative.
- MaximumBone

I’ve read a bunch of your posts over the years, what else do you base your evaluations on besides fancy stats? I reckon you don’t value the ‘eye test’ very much.
If he is saying ‘(frank) you’, perhaps maybe you deserve it? You do come across as an arrogant little poop sometimes, especially when you consider you don’t know (frank) all about (frank) all and have probably followed Hockey less than 10 years.

- EdmHockeyMan

Uh-oh, here comes Judge Dredd to dish out his Justice.

Uh-oh, here comes Judge Dredd to dish out his Justice.
- HonkyTonkMan

Anyone watched the WC final?

Props to France for pulling through.

I’ve read a bunch of your posts over the years, what else do you base your evaluations on besides fancy stats? I reckon you don’t value the ‘eye test’ very much.
If he is saying ‘(frank) you’, perhaps maybe you deserve it? You do come across as an arrogant little poop sometimes, especially when you consider you don’t know (frank) all about (frank) all and have probably followed Hockey less than 10 years.
- HonkyTonkMan

I use the eye test and I value it so long as it's used in conjunction with a reasonable respect for statistical measure. Anyone who dismisses an entire dataset without having a solid argument to it's validity/value is missing as much of the pie as those who blindly adhere to statistical analysis as the be-all, end-all. If you've been reading my posts for years, you'll have undoubtedly read this a number of times.

What about how I post comes across as arrogant? I invite you to offer some recent examples- hell, even just one. Considering the source of this criticism, I'll take it with a grain of salt but if you can levy some concrete examples of times when my epistemic humility has been lacking then I'll put forth an effort to improve- as I pride myself on doing.

I use the eye test and I value it so long as it's used in conjunction with a reasonable respect for statistical measure. Anyone who dismisses an entire dataset without having a solid argument to it's validity/value is missing as much of the pie as those who blindly adhere to statistical analysis as the be-all, end-all. If you've been reading my posts for years, you'll have undoubtedly read this a number of times.

What about how I post comes across as arrogant? I invite you to offer some recent examples- hell, even just one. Considering the source of this criticism, I'll take it with a grain of salt but if you can levy some concrete examples of times when my epistemic humility has been lacking then I'll put forth an effort to improve- as I pride myself on doing.
- MaximumBone

Naaaah.

Naaaah.
- HonkyTonkMan

Well played!

Ridiculous if he wants more. As u said, he’s not even worth 5 or super close to it today.

Klefbom type cash long term or bridge at around 3. Just that simple. Don’t even consider caving chia
- HB77

Unless those rushes all of a sudden result in a spike in points I don't see him worth 5 for another 3-4 years when inflation makes a difference

Anyone watched the WC final?

Props to France for pulling through.
- EdmHockeyMan

I bought a 2x4 and some paint. Watched the paint dry

I’ve read a bunch of your posts over the years, what else do you base your evaluations on besides fancy stats? I reckon you don’t value the ‘eye test’ very much.
If he is saying ‘(frank) you’, perhaps maybe you deserve it? You do come across as an arrogant little poop sometimes, especially when you consider you don’t know (frank) all about (frank) all and have probably followed Hockey less than 10 years.
- HonkyTonkMan

Ease up Honky or you'll be doing hard times next to Jero and Iggy.

Not ridiculous based on comparable players. Matheson is likely the closest we can compare him to and he got 4.875 over 8 years. Nurse has even outperformed him in a number of capacities.
- MaximumBone

I agree that Matheson is an apt comparison, and I’d be all over signing Nurse to an equivalent deal. Yet I doubt Nurse’s camp will settle for anything under 5 per, which I’d be comfortable giving him (maximum 5.25 in my mind) only if he agreed to some serious term, 6 years minimum.

Anyone watched the WC final?

Props to France for pulling through.
- EdmHockeyMan

Missed it for some reason...

Missed it for some reason...

- geta02it

Frogs.

I agree that Matheson is an apt comparison, and I’d be all over signing Nurse to an equivalent deal. Yet I doubt Nurse’s camp will settle for anything under 5 per, which I’d be comfortable giving him (maximum 5.25 in my mind) only if he agreed to some serious term, 6 years minimum.
- Wildschwein

Is there any rumor he'd accept a bridge deal or is it term + big money?

Is there any rumor he'd accept a bridge deal or is it term + big money?
- geta02it

The words from his agent were something along the lines of "they only have 5mil in cap space, so obviously a long-term deal isn't going to be worked out"

Seems quite obvious we are going bridge. He also took a shot at us for buying out Gryba to gain a roster spot

Missed it for some reason...

- geta02it

This pretty much sums up an entire 3 hour 1-1 soccer match.

Naaaah.
- HonkyTonkMan

Congrats on the unsubstantiated claim then.

Not ridiculous when u base your entire ethos on fancies. Which I don’t do. And never will. Cause assessing player value is nuanced. Not only mathematical. If you haven’t figured that out yet, i fear we’ll Do this circle jerk anytime someone has a random number you like and I think is more often than not subject to massive interpretation.

Imo, it’s absolutely ridiculous to even strongly consider him at over 5. Especially for a cap strapped team. which then introduces further nuance into the conversation as we don’t have identical structures when they made their signing.

There’s A ton of holes in nurses game And certainly no guarantee we ever get value years at a figure like that. And he’s certainly not more valuable to us than Larsson or Klefbom at present. So again, imo, I don’t even really consider him at over 5
- HB77

We see eye to eye on the cap strapped portion of your argument, but I disagree somewhat on your monetary evaluation of Nurse’s worth.
Another comparison besides Matheson is Seth Jones, in that both players have shown very similar growth and strengths through their first 200 games. The big difference between them is that Jones initial development was done in the defensive Mecca that is Nashville, while Nurse has had to slug it out in the defensive backwater that is Edmonton.
Now just so that we’re clear, I’m not saying Nurse is gonna ever be as good as Jones. But I am saying that the similarities in their growth, coupled with the organizational deficits Nurse has had to contend with, suggest to me that giving Nurse just north of 5 is reasonable risk to take.