I agree that Matheson is an apt comparison, and I’d be all over signing Nurse to an equivalent deal. Yet I doubt Nurse’s camp will settle for anything under 5 per, which I’d be comfortable giving him (maximum 5.25 in my mind) only if he agreed to some serious term, 6 years minimum.
- Wildschwein

I would be willing to go around that high, too. Obviously I'd prefer we get him as low as possible, but we have Chiarelli running the negotiations. I think expecting another 4.16mil deal is a tad too hopeful considering the increase in salary cap (both currently and projected).

Is there any rumor he'd accept a bridge deal or is it term + big money?
- geta02it

Haven’t a clue. I’m hoping term and cash, because if Nurse breaks out this year we’ll never be able to afford him after a bridge.

I go around that high. Obviously I'd prefer we get him as low as possible, but we have Chiarelli running the negotiations.
- MaximumBone

True, but he’s been surprisingly frugal this year. Might be he’s learned.

True, but he’s been surprisingly frugal this year. Might be he’s learned.
- Wildschwein

I'll err on the side of doubting that he's changed. History has a tendency to repeat itself and we're Edmonton. It's either fair value or overpays if we wanna keep our best.

I'll err on the side of doubting that he's changed. History has a tendency to repeat itself and we're Edmonton. It's either fair value or overpays if we wanna keep our best.
- MaximumBone

In what world do you believe it's fair to say I base my whole decision on fancies? Kinda sounds like a big "(frank) you" for you to suggest that. I'm aware my evaluation method leans on stats more than yours but to suggest that extreme seems needlessly provocative.
- MaximumBone

Wasn’t that what u were doing? U used metrics to compare him to a guy with a similar salary. That was your comment.

I wasn’t saying Fuk u. I was just trying to say that while there might be some favourable numbers that make it seem like a fair deal, imo there’s many other factors that don’t lend it to being a number we should agree to in our current situation. Negotiations are nuanced and complicated and I don’t think using matheson as an equivalent tells nearly enough of the story to risk years of our future cap

I respect your opinion man. I just dont agree with the methodology U used in this instance

Haven’t a clue. I’m hoping term and cash, because if Nurse breaks out this year we’ll never be able to afford him after a bridge.
- Wildschwein

This is certainly the risk with a bridge. And in his case, probably a pretty big one.

Either way, I’m not convinced he plays the type of game to iron out those big issues enough to give us great value over multiple years. Which is what we need

But yeah, I was super amped on him early in his career and certainly stoked on his development at times this season. So I could be totally wrong about bridging

I'll err on the side of doubting that he's changed. History has a tendency to repeat itself and we're Edmonton. It's either fair value or overpays if we wanna keep our best.
- MaximumBone

Whats your honest opinion on the development ceiling? I liked him in Junior and its not been quite the same in the pros. He's got some upside but how high? You sign him to a long term deal and he comes close to his potential, Chia looks like he's actually competent. If he's at his ceiling, well, you guys know better than most what thats like.

Different context but similar argument is what we are dealing with in Sam Bennett, great in junior, high pick but hasn't risen to expectations. 2 years at 3.9 (most of us) thought was a fair "show me contract"

This is certainly the risk with a bridge. And in his case, probably a pretty big one.

Either way, I’m not convinced he plays the type of game to iron out those big issues enough to give us great value over multiple years. Which is what we need

But yeah, I was super amped on him early in his career and certainly stoked on his development at times this season. So I could be totally wrong about bridging
- HB77

He’s fast approaching the controversial defender breakout plateau (300 games), and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him put up 45-50 points this year or the next. And if he does, a 5.25 deal will be a pipe dream.

Wasn’t that what u were doing? U used metrics to compare him to a guy with a similar salary. That was your comment.

I wasn’t saying Fuk u. I was just trying to say that while there might be some favourable numbers that make it seem like a fair deal, imo there’s many other factors that don’t lend it to being a number we should agree to in our current situation. Negotiations are nuanced and complicated and I don’t think using matheson as an equivalent tells nearly enough of the story to risk years of our future cap

I respect your opinion man. I just dont agree with the methodology U used in this instance
- HB77

I wasn't strictly using any metrics as I stated "(he) outperformed him in a number of capacities". Certainly there are a number of statistical measures Nurse shines in (he actually drives McDavid to even better results iirc), but I meant his puck rushing, physicality and even strength offense (37th in the league) just as much as some of his possession metrics. He was among the league leaders in even strength ice time, too, so he was hardly sheltered- especially not post-Christmas.

He has his flaws (consistency and gap control) but, if last season was any indication, his positives are well on their way to outweighing his weaknesses. With Yawney coming in, I'm inclined to double down on young Dmen who have shown improvement every season.

Sorry for the misunderstanding and I'll try to be more clear on what I mean in the future. I was just on my phone so I didn't feel like typing out my whole case.

Whats your honest opinion on the development ceiling? I liked him in Junior and its not been quite the same in the pros. He's got some upside but how high? You sign him to a long term deal and he comes close to his potential, Chia looks like he's actually competent. If he's at his ceiling, well, you guys know better than most what thats like.

Different context but similar argument is what we are dealing with in Sam Bennett, great in junior, high pick but hasn't risen to expectations. 2 years at 3.9 (most of us) thought was a fair "show me contract"
- geta02it

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Good post

I’dve certainly said Bennett is a solid measuring stick before this last season where nurse took a pretty big leap in terms of big minutes and handling tough competition in a satisfactory manner most nights.

But yeah- it’s that step he took that makes him so hard to Gauge. But I’m
Not convinced there’s far more there. But his skating and tenacity lends itself to the possibility of a huge step.

I really have no idea ...

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Good post

I’dve certainly said Bennett is a solid measuring stick before this last season where nurse took a pretty big leap in terms of big minutes and handling tough competition in a satisfactory manner most nights.

But yeah- it’s that step he took that makes him so hard to Gauge. But I’m
Not convinced there’s far more there. But his skating and tenacity lends itself to the possibility of a huge step.

I really have no idea ...
- HB77

So the Flames just signed Lindholm 6x$4.85-any comparable there?

Whats your honest opinion on the development ceiling? I liked him in Junior and its not been quite the same in the pros. He's got some upside but how high? You sign him to a long term deal and he comes close to his potential, Chia looks like he's actually competent. If he's at his ceiling, well, you guys know better than most what thats like.

Different context but similar argument is what we are dealing with in Sam Bennett, great in junior, high pick but hasn't risen to expectations. 2 years at 3.9 (most of us) thought was a fair "show me contract"
- geta02it

Prior to this season, I was very much of the mind that he was doomed to mediocrity. Almost everything about him seemed to be trending towards a player of no particular significance and yet he managed to turn it around. After seeing his results this year, I'm glad to admit I was premature in my evaluation/prediction last year.

As for a future ceiling, that's tough. He's got an odd mix of skills and the physical capacity to do so much more yet his mind doesn't seem to keep up consistently enough to reach the highest level.

With the right partner and some time on a PP unit, I could see him becoming a top pairing guy (Seabrook-level, but with different weaknesses) while a safer projection settles him along the lines of a Savard (once again, different skillset). He and Larsson seem to make for a great pairing so it may be worth exploring that further.

So the Flames just signed Lindholm 6x$4.85-any comparable there?
- geta02it

Don’t need one. That’s a damn good deal.

wiener.

He’s fast approaching the controversial defender breakout plateau (300 games), and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him put up 45-50 points this year or the next. And if he does, a 5.25 deal will be a pipe dream.
- Wildschwein

Wow

Super bullish.

Hope so

Don’t need one. That’s a damn good deal.

wiener.
- Wildschwein

But with much love...(ish).

Begs the question though, Is Nurse worth that?

Wow

Super bullish.

Hope so
- HB77

A year ago I would have said the same thing. Yet the performance Nurse put forth last year finally convinced me. IMO he’s teetering on a developmental knifes edge, somewhere between being merely useful and becoming what we all hoped he’d be. And I do believe that he’ll become that player, sooner rather than later.

But with much love...(ish).

Begs the question though, Is Nurse worth that?
- geta02it

Such a comparison becomes more complicated by the simple fact that one is a forward and one is a defender. So much so, that I think it’s unreasonable to compare such worth.
Now if we were to compare Nurse with Hanifin, we could probably come to some reasonable idea of worth.

Such a comparison becomes more complicated by the simple fact that one is a forward and one is a defender. So much so, that I think it’s unreasonable to compare such worth.
Now if we were to compare Nurse with Hanifin, we could probably come to some reasonable idea of worth.
- Wildschwein

True...

Be curious if Calgary gets a deal done with Hanifin. Flamesnation pegged a bridge deal for 3 years at 3.5... I'd tend to agree with that. he's less of a priority for us than Nurse is for you guys (IMO)

True...

Be curious if Calgary gets a deal done with Hanifin. Flamesnation pegged a bridge deal for 3 years at 3.5... I'd tend to agree with that. he's less of a priority for us than Nurse is for you guys (IMO)
- geta02it

I’d say thats a very fair deal for Hanifin. Probably happen too; you bastards always seem to be able to sign your players to fair deals.
And yes I’d say Nurse is a higher priority in comparison. Sekera isn't getting any younger and Russell is... well... Russell.

We see eye to eye on the cap strapped portion of your argument, but I disagree somewhat on your monetary evaluation of Nurse’s worth.
Another comparison besides Matheson is Seth Jones, in that both players have shown very similar growth and strengths through their first 200 games. The big difference between them is that Jones initial development was done in the defensive Mecca that is Nashville, while Nurse has had to slug it out in the defensive backwater that is Edmonton.
Now just so that we’re clear, I’m not saying Nurse is gonna ever be as good as Jones. But I am saying that the similarities in their growth, coupled with the organizational deficits Nurse has had to contend with, suggest to me that giving Nurse just north of 5 is reasonable risk to take.
- Wildschwein

This.

This.

- EdmHockeyMan

Or we could trade his ass with Lucic and Nuge to the Habs for Patches, Gallagher and a pick. So said a Habs fan to me yesterday. Judging by his nose I suspect him to be Bergevin’s nephew.

Or we could trade his ass with Lucic and Nuge to the Habs for Patches, Gallagher and a pick. So said a Habs fan to me yesterday. Judging by his nose I suspect him to be Bergevin’s nephew.
- Wildschwein

- EdmHockeyMan

Why did you delete all of "Ghost of Iggys" posts before I had a chance to read them?

Why did you delete all of "Ghost of Iggys" posts before I had a chance to read them?
- leonkennedy

I didn't delete them nor ban him. That was the doing of a different mod (most likely CaptEO). You didn't miss on much anyway.