thank you for that detailed analysis.

It's good enough for the cup-winning capitals
- jcragcrumple

Dude that system is death nothing like boring ass hockey that was fun watching the lightning do that ..

when you have elite outstanding talent sure it works but not this team

So let me get this straight you want to adopt the 1-3-1 because of the capitals ? Did you not learn your lesson when we tried being the LA Kings ? Stop falling in people’s footsteps and create your own destiny

Dude that system is death nothing like boring ass hockey that was fun watching the lightning do that ..

when you have elite outstanding talent sure it works but not this team

So let me get this straight you want to adopt the 1-3-1 because of the capitals ? Did you not learn your lesson when we tried being the LA Kings ? Stop falling in people’s footsteps in create your own destiny
- gerbe75pts

No, looking at the personnel who are likely to be on PP1, I think it could suit them. And the capitals didn't create the 1-3-1, nor will they be the last to use it. The PP needs a shakeup, and the thought of Eichel coming out of the corner, sucking 2 defenders to him as he fakes to the slot, and then fires a pass over to a wide-open Dahlin far side sounds pretty good. Reinhart is also the best tipper we've had since Vanek, so the thought of the east/west play of Eichel and Dahlin opening up Risto for a wrist shot to be tipped by Reinhart sounds good too

That's funny, his back isn't turned here:



Or here;



both times it's an easy pass down low to Eichel because he's already pointed in that direction.
- Wetbandit1

Huh?
Both of those goals were scored without being set up for the pp. Risto wasn’t even in his usual spot yet and the play hadn’t been settled in either one. One was a zone entry and the other was a broken play down low. Horrible examples to use for either side of this argument. If the pp is going to revolve around Eichel, having a righty there is a bad idea imo.

Huh?
Both of those goals were scored without being set up for the pp. Risto wasn’t even in his usual spot yet and the play hadn’t been settled in either one. One was a zone entry and the other was a broken play down low. Horrible examples to use for either side of this argument. If the pp is going to revolve around Eichel, having a righty there is a bad idea imo.
- TheHank

https://youtu.be/R_yNeqdryi4

Here's a righty feeding Eichel on the PP.

That's what a righty does for you

https://youtu.be/bzM9gjhHi50

Here's Risto feeding him

https://youtu.be/R_yNeqdryi4

Here's a righty feeding Eichel on the PP.

That's what a righty does for you

https://youtu.be/bzM9gjhHi50

Here's Risto feeding him
- jcragcrumple

Yes Risto has assisted on Eichel goals.

That isn’t the point.

Didn’t you watch the PP this year?

Eichel’s one timers were useless. Which is why he couldn’t score there.

When Bylsma was here they had O’Reilly or Reinhart feeding Eichel or Risto from down low or the slot.

The back and forth from 15 to 55 was awful this year

https://youtu.be/R_yNeqdryi4

Here's a righty feeding Eichel on the PP.

That's what a righty does for you

https://youtu.be/bzM9gjhHi50

Here's Risto feeding him
- jcragcrumple

Again, terrible examples to use here. Neither of those videos show the play working through Eichel. One was a crazy bounce that went right to the point and it just got sent over, the other was on a 5 on 3 where all 3 defenders collapsed.

Yes Risto has assisted on Eichel goals.

That isn’t the point.

Didn’t you watch the PP this year?

Eichel’s one timers were useless. Which is why he couldn’t score there.

When Bylsma was here they had O’Reilly or Reinhart feeding Eichel or Risto from down low or the slot.

The back and forth from 15 to 55 was awful this year
- sbroads24

Leaving risto there basically turns Eichel into a decoy and whoever is posted on the other wall will benefit from that setup.

Again, terrible examples to use here. Neither of those videos show the play working through Eichel. One was a crazy bounce that went right to risto and he just sent it over, the other was on a 5 on 3 where all 3 defenders collapsed.
- TheHank

What I'm trying to show is that Eichel benefits from a righty up top feeding him for one-timers. Both of those videos show that. A lefty has a harder time threading that into his wheelhouse

What I'm trying to show is that Eichel benefits from a righty up top feeding him for one-timers. Both of those videos show that. A lefty has a harder time threading that into his wheelhouse
- jcragcrumple

Show me a video where the puck is going back and forth through Eichel and risto and whoever else and then ends up in the net. Having a righty there eliminates a shot from the point and allows everyone to sell out on Eichel shooting the puck. If it was a lefty they would have to respect the shot from anywhere.

Leaving risto there basically turns Eichel into a decoy and whoever is posted on the other wall will benefit from that setup.
- TheHank

It’s funny, I thought all year that the way 15 and 55 were moving the puck on the PP was off, but I could never tell why. This makes sense.

They need to work the puck down low and let Reinhart or Mitts feed them or get a lefty up top

It’s funny, I thought all year that the way 15 and 55 were moving the puck on the PP was off, but I could never tell why. This makes sense.

They need to work the puck down low and let Reinhart or Mitts feed them or get a lefty up top
- sbroads24

Exactly. It’s really not that hard to see. There is zero threat of a shot coming from a righty there when going back and forth with Eichel. If they leave him there I bet a lot of goals come from the other side of the ice.

Eichel shooting % on the PP
15-16 - 17%- Bylsma
16-17 - 18% - Bylsma
17-18 - 4% - Housley


.....yeah

Yes Risto has assisted on Eichel goals.

That isn’t the point.

Didn’t you watch the PP this year?

Eichel’s one timers were useless. Which is why he couldn’t score there.

When Bylsma was here they had O’Reilly or Reinhart feeding Eichel or Risto from down low or the slot.

The back and forth from 15 to 55 was awful this year
- sbroads24

Didn't you watch it the year before?

It has nothing to do with Risto and everything to do with other teams keying on Eichel as you yourself said many, many times.

Show me a video where the puck is going back and forth through Eichel and risto and whoever else and then ends up in the net. Having a righty there eliminates a shot from the point and allows everyone to sell out on Eichel shooting the puck. If it was a lefty they would have to respect the shot from anywhere.
- TheHank

Here's a give-and-go between two righties: Risto and Pominville.

https://youtu.be/3MqV7TOPQrM

The back and forth opens up the lane, and Risto as a right shot can feed that directly into pominville's wheelhouse

https://youtu.be/tjUYVi15VSA

Here's an Eichel give and go that results in a goal

Exactly. It’s really not that hard to see. There is zero threat of a shot coming from a righty there when going back and forth with Eichel. If they leave him there I bet a lot of goals come from the other side of the ice.
- TheHank

I’m waiting for this to turn into an I hate Risto thing

Eichel shooting % on the PP
15-16 - 17%- Bylsma
16-17 - 18% - Bylsma
17-18 - 4% - Housley


.....yeah
- sbroads24

Yeah....

Maybe don't use the incompetent system?

Myers is gone, dude.

Didn't you watch it the year before?

It has nothing to do with Risto and everything to do with other teams keying on Eichel as you yourself said many, many times.
- Wetbandit1

It has to do with coaching.

The previous two years it was 90, 23 feeding Eichel. Not 55

Yes Risto has assisted on Eichel goals.

That isn’t the point.

Didn’t you watch the PP this year?

Eichel’s one timers were useless. Which is why he couldn’t score there.

When Bylsma was here they had O’Reilly or Reinhart feeding Eichel or Risto from down low or the slot.

The back and forth from 15 to 55 was awful this year
- sbroads24

Because everyone knew that's what was going to happen. A lefty's not going to get the puck through a man in between them any more than a righty will.

It has to do with coaching.

The previous two years it was 90, 23 feeding Eichel. Not 55
- sbroads24

Ok, so what's the problem? It worked, go back to that.

Edit: That was my point. It was the system, not the personnel.

Here's a give-and-go between two righties: Risto and Pominville.

https://youtu.be/3MqV7TOPQrM

The back and forth opens up the lane, and Risto as a right shot can feed that directly into pominville's wheelhouse

https://youtu.be/tjUYVi15VSA

Here's an Eichel give and go that results in a goal
- jcragcrumple

You are really having a tough time illustrating your point here with these videos. The first one was a 4 on 3 in overtime and the second is coming from the other side of the ice not Eichels side. The second one actually proves the opposite, if that same play had happened on the left side (eichels side) risto wouldn’t be in position to shoot it there.

Ok, so what's the problem? It worked, go back to that.

Edit: That was my point. It was the system, not the personnel.
- Wetbandit1

Because this is the coaching staff.

If they are going to run this system it makes more sense to have a lefty.

I mean let’s be honest. Dahlin will be there regardless soon anyways

You are really having a tough time illustrating your point here with these videos. The first one was a 4 on 3 in overtime and the second is coming from the other side of the ice not Eichels side. The second one actually proves the opposite, if that same play had happened on the left side (eichels side) risto wouldn’t be in position to shoot it there.
- TheHank

Tell me how a more acute passing angle helps one-timers.

You are really having a tough time illustrating your point here with these videos. The first one was a 4 on 3 in overtime and the second is coming from the other side of the ice not Eichels side. The second one actually proves the opposite, if that same play had happened on the left side (eichels side) risto wouldn’t be in position to shoot it there.
- TheHank

A 4-on-3 is a powerplay, and that video perfectly illustrates my point. Two righties can combine easier on a power play goal. Imagine if Risto is a lefty there. He'd be feeding the pass backwards through Pominville

Because everyone knew that's what was going to happen. A lefty's not going to get the puck through a man in between them any more than a righty will.
- Wetbandit1

That's where we strongly disagree.

Ok, so what's the problem? It worked, go back to that.

Edit: That was my point. It was the system, not the personnel.
- Wetbandit1

The personnel dictated the system. Risto and Eichel are both right handed and it forced the play to come from a different direction to be effective.