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hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 16 @ 6:35 PM ET
No thanks on TK + Ghost for Karlsson.
Maybe if Karlsson was younger but then you would be paying more.

- opeth_pa


The Flyers have better puck movers in the pipeline, and they unload a liability by trading up. And G and Coots were better or the same with different wingers, whereas TK was not so much playing off the #1 line.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 16 @ 6:38 PM ET
The Flyers have better puck movers in the pipeline, and they unload a liability by trading up. And G and Coots were better or the same with different wingers, whereas TK was not so much playing off the #1 line.
- hockeyal



Who?
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 16 @ 6:45 PM ET
It's very possible that the Flyers top 4 this season is Provorov-Gostisbehere-MacDonald-Sanheim. We'll see what the pairings are and the usage. Sanheim has a lot more potential to be a long term top 4 than Hagg does.

I would pass on that trade.

- MJL


Agreed about Sanheim. But the Flyers are wasting Provorov's offensive talent if they play him with Ghost. Optimal pairings have somebody playing with Provorov 5v5 and hopefully 25' per night and Ghost playing PP1 and as little 5v5 as possible. So who is the stay at home guy you pair with Provorov?

Provorov-AMac/Hagg
Sanheim-AMac/Hagg
Ghost-Gudas

is optimal use of personnel. Depending on how much PK duty he draws, Hagg plays 20' per night. Which is why they should sign Sbisa or Enstrom for 1 year until Myers is ready.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 6:45 PM ET
Im desperately looking for a trade for one of the Philly teams and dont see anything.
- opeth_pa

Machado will save us.

I'm ready to move on from the Kawhi fiasco. Go after Jimmy Butler instead.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 16 @ 6:46 PM ET
The Flyers have better puck movers in the pipeline, and they unload a liability by trading up. And G and Coots were better or the same with different wingers, whereas TK was not so much playing off the #1 line.
- hockeyal


Who is the liability that they're unloading?
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 16 @ 6:47 PM ET
Who?
- MBFlyerfan


Hogberg Kalynuk

Those guys can also hit the net when they shoot.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 16 @ 6:52 PM ET
“Anger is a gift”. Love that.
- flyer_nutter

Don't talk about me and hammar this way
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 16 @ 6:52 PM ET
Agreed about Sanheim. But the Flyers are wasting Provorov's offensive talent if they play him with Ghost. Optimal pairings have somebody playing with Provorov 5v5 and hopefully 25' per night and Ghost playing PP1 and as little 5v5 as possible. So who is the stay at home guy you pair with Provorov?

Provorov-AMac/Hagg
Sanheim-AMac/Hagg
Ghost-Gudas

is optimal use of personnel. Depending on how much PK duty he draws, Hagg plays 20' per night. Which is why they should sign Sbisa or Enstrom for 1 year until Myers is ready.

- hockeyal


You crack me up! Provorov was 10th in the NHL among defenseman in EV scoring. He led the NHL for goal scoring for NHL defenseman, tied with Hedman. There isn't a single piece of information that makes your statement that he is being wasted offensively playing with Gostisbehere. None whatsoever. What you're posting is complete fantasy.

Why would we want a stay at home defenseman to play with Provorov? That's exactly what we don't want. Long term, we want Hagg playing less than 20 a night. Closer to 17.

Ideally we want Gostisbehere second only to Provorov in ES ice time.
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jul 16 @ 6:52 PM ET
Who is the liability that they're unloading?
- MJL


Of all of the defenders, who had the worst +/- down the stretch in March, and in the playoffs?

Who was on the ice for more game deciding goals against the Flyers than any other defender?

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 16 @ 6:53 PM ET
Pure speculation on my part but I wonder if the avascular necrosis in Ray's hip had something to do with this.

Swimming, then his condition flared leading to debilitating hip pain, and he sunk to the bottom. Some folks die from cramps while swimming for the same reason.

Terrible
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 6:54 PM ET
Of all of the defenders, who had the worst +/- down the stretch in March, and in the playoffs?

Who was on the ice for more game deciding goals against the Flyers than any other defender?

- hockeyal

Tell us al! Tell us!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 16 @ 6:55 PM ET
Of all of the defenders, who had the worst +/- down the stretch in March, and in the playoffs?

Who was on the ice for more game deciding goals against the Flyers than any other defender?

- hockeyal


A number of players struggled in the Pens playoff series including Claude Giroux.

Where are you getting this info from about game deciding goals?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 16 @ 6:56 PM ET
Machado will save us.

I'm ready to move on from the Kawhi fiasco. Go after Jimmy Butler instead.

- hereticpride

Trading for Machado is foolish.

Bullpen is what needs the upgrade.

Thank god for Neshek
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 16 @ 6:56 PM ET
Of all of the defenders, who had the worst +/- down the stretch in March, and in the playoffs?

Who was on the ice for more game deciding goals against the Flyers than any other defender?

- hockeyal

pls inform us, and cite your sources
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 7:01 PM ET
Trading for Machado is foolish.

Bullpen is what needs the upgrade.

Thank god for Neshek

- Giroux_Is_God

They aren't giving up Sanchez or roster players per reports. Idk how you can say that's foolish. They're going to back up the truck to Machado. He won't go anywhere. The Phillies are (frank)ing loaded right now.

Reports are that they're trying to get Britton from the Orioles as well so they're planning on addressing the bullpen too one way or another.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 16 @ 7:05 PM ET
They aren't giving up Sanchez or roster players per reports. Idk how you can say that's foolish. They're going to back up the truck to Machado. He won't go anywhere. The Phillies are (frank)ing loaded right now.

Reports are that they're trying to get Britton from the Orioles as well so they're planning on addressing the bullpen too one way or another.

- hereticpride

No with a capital n for Medina too. 2 expensive as (frank) rentals. Yay.

FA is loaded this offseason. Stock up then. Team isn't winning anything this season even if they get both Machado and Britton
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 16 @ 7:17 PM ET
pretty good read for this time of the year

https://phillyisflyer.com...p-20-prospects-july-2018/

- wcorvette


Great read is right. Thanks for posting.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 16 @ 7:32 PM ET
Great read is right. Thanks for posting.
- peesinwind


Incredible how deep the prospect list is.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 16 @ 7:42 PM ET
No with a capital n for Medina too. 2 expensive as (frank) rentals. Yay.

FA is loaded this offseason. Stock up then. Team isn't winning anything this season even if they get both Machado and Britton

- Giroux_Is_God

I second this.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 7:53 PM ET
Incredible how deep the prospect list is.
- MJL

For the love of God I can't wait to start seeing some of these kids filter in when ready and not see something like another Weise signing for a long, long time.

Hextall and his scouts have really done a fine job adding solid depth to every position. This is what happens when you don't blow picks on Versteeg and the husk of Pavel freaking Kubina.

HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jul 16 @ 8:00 PM ET
This. I meant my comment as it's sad one of the few people of colour in the sport has passed. He was, and will continue to be, an influence to other POC that hockey isn't always for white kids.
- Darksyde

Should whites feel the same way if Steve Nash dies tragically next week?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 8:07 PM ET
Should whites feel the same way if Steve Nash dies tragically next week?
- HonkyTonkMan

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 16 @ 8:10 PM ET
Should whites feel the same way if Steve Nash dies tragically next week?
- HonkyTonkMan

There has never been a dearth of white presence in the sport. Don't be obtuse.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 16 @ 8:45 PM ET
Folks need to chill out about Darksyde's post. There was nothing nefarious about it.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 16 @ 8:49 PM ET
Folks need to chill out about Darksyde's post. There was nothing nefarious about it.
- Scoob

agreed.
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