2 year bridge for Morrisey
2 year deal for Lowry
0 year deal for Trouba. He'll be traded, or sign and trade. Over rated IMHO.
- sparky1957

Jake Gardiner for Jacob Trouba.

Jake Gardiner for Jacob Trouba.
- PrinceLH

You mean Myers right?

You mean Myers right?
- Ross77

Lets hope so. even that tho......

You mean Myers right?
- Ross77

I think he meant Kulikov.

3 million apart with Trouba?? Chevy is offering 4 m and Trouba wants 7 m?

It would seem that Chevy wants to go to arbitration, get a one year deal somewhere in between 4 and 7 and then trade Trouba? If Chevy will dole out 5.125 for 7 years for Bogo back in 2013, but only offer 4 mill for Trouba, then it would suggest that an alternative strategy is at play.

I can't see Trouba having a one year deal at 5.5 to 6 mill awarded through arbitration being happy here in Wpg. There must be a whole lot else going on besides being 3 mill apart.

3 million apart with Trouba?? Chevy is offering 4 m and Trouba wants 7 m?

It would seem that Chevy wants to go to arbitration, get a one year deal somewhere in between 4 and 7 and then trade Trouba? If Chevy will dole out 5.125 for 7 years for Bogo back in 2013, but only offer 4 mill for Trouba, then it would suggest that an alternative strategy is at play.

I can't see Trouba having a one year deal at 5.5 to 6 mill awarded through arbitration being happy here in Wpg. There must be a whole lot else going on besides being 3 mill apart.
- CharlieDog

4 years, 5.5, likely agreed about an hour before the hearing. Two competitive people, both have a few cards to play but likely neither really want an arbitration hearing.

4 years, 5.5, likely agreed about an hour before the hearing. Two competitive people, both have a few cards to play but likely neither really want an arbitration hearing.
- 2.0

4 years at 5.5M seems fair. But I think it goes to a one year arbitration, which would mean a trade is eminent. Trouba for Ottawa's first rounder, held by Col would be fantastic for both teams in my opinion.

4 years at 5.5M seems fair. But I think it goes to a one year arbitration, which would mean a trade is eminent. Trouba for Ottawa's first rounder, held by Col would be fantastic for both teams in my opinion.
- bikeguy99

Firstly, a top 10 first round pick for Trouba is not a good deal for the Jets. If were a top three pick then maybe but as we all know there are no guarantees these days in the lottery.

Secondly, I think Kurt Overcharge needs to be fired. He screwed up on the advice with regards to the holdout and now he is trying to get more than Trouba is worth which is in turn not going to potentially end well if Trouba truly wants to stay here long term. Chevy will not pay $7 MM or anything close to it so it will mean Trouba's desire to sign here long-term will not be fulfilled. The number needs to be just around $6 MM, maybe slightly less on a long-term deal.

That all being said I bet if it gets to arbitration Trouba's number will come in closer to the 5.5 MM or even less because of his injury problems and points totals. That may play into Chevy's hand in signing a long-term deal in the $5.75 to $6 MM range.

Bottom line though is that in arbitration , Trouba cannot win, at least in regards to his wishes. If an arbitrator awarded a high number then Chevy will just trade him. Myers will play the right side and we will get a decent asset or two in return.

Firstly, a top 10 first round pick for Trouba is not a good deal for the Jets. If were a top three pick then maybe but as we all know there are no guarantees these days in the lottery.

Secondly, I think Kurt Overcharge needs to be fired. He screwed up on the advice with regards to the holdout and now he is trying to get more than Trouba is worth which is in turn not going to potentially end well if Trouba truly wants to stay here long term. Chevy will not pay $7 MM or anything close to it so it will mean Trouba's desire to sign here long-term will not be fulfilled. The number needs to be just around $6 MM, maybe slightly less on a long-term deal.

That all being said I bet if it gets to arbitration Trouba's number will come in closer to the 5.5 MM or even less because of his injury problems and points totals. That may play into Chevy's hand in signing a long-term deal in the $5.75 to $6 MM range.

Bottom line though is that in arbitration , Trouba cannot win, at least in regards to his wishes. If an arbitrator awarded a high number then Chevy will just trade him. Myers will play the right side and we will get a decent asset or two in return.
- jetsnation

i am trying to understand the NHL FA market better but the way I understand it more recently is that teams pay a premium for longer term when it falls into a period where the player would otherwise be a UFA. The contract would in theory be higher if it goes longer term. (Buff money). Agreed that a 1st round pick for Trouba is a terrible return at this stage of the Jets development. Please no - we need a package of players/picks/prospects in return.

If it goes to arbritration it must be a one or two year contract (team's choice), if two then Trouba becomes UFA... it will be a one year deal and sides will go at it again next year.

Alternative is that they agree before the hearing, I still think that up to 4 years x 5.5 will be close. Jets will then have a chance to trade him again before his UFA years.

In a strange way the CBA is working to allow teams to retain assets like Trouba for longer periods of time. Next CBA can be improved by making accomodations for State to State taxation differences.

i am trying to understand the NHL FA market better but the way I understand it more recently is that teams pay a premium for longer term when it falls into a period where the player would otherwise be a UFA. The contract would in theory be higher if it goes longer term. (Buff money). Agreed that a 1st round pick for Trouba is a terrible return at this stage of the Jets development. Please no - we need a package of players/picks/prospects in return.

If it goes to arbritration it must be a one or two year contract (team's choice), if two then Trouba becomes UFA... it will be a one year deal and sides will go at it again next year.

Alternative is that they agree before the hearing, I still think that up to 4 years x 5.5 will be close. Jets will then have a chance to trade him again before his UFA years.

In a strange way the CBA is working to allow teams to retain assets like Trouba for longer periods of time. Next CBA can be improved by making accomodations for State to State taxation differences.
- 2.0

Yes, the taxation issues in places like Alberta, Florida, and Vegas are becoming a real issue and an unfair advantage vs the rest of the NHL. It definitely needs to be addressed . The increasing currency differentials also are an issue.

Firstly, a top 10 first round pick for Trouba is not a good deal for the Jets. If were a top three pick then maybe but as we all know there are no guarantees these days in the lottery.

Secondly, I think Kurt Overcharge needs to be fired. He screwed up on the advice with regards to the holdout and now he is trying to get more than Trouba is worth which is in turn not going to potentially end well if Trouba truly wants to stay here long term. Chevy will not pay $7 MM or anything close to it so it will mean Trouba's desire to sign here long-term will not be fulfilled. The number needs to be just around $6 MM, maybe slightly less on a long-term deal.

That all being said I bet if it gets to arbitration Trouba's number will come in closer to the 5.5 MM or even less because of his injury problems and points totals. That may play into Chevy's hand in signing a long-term deal in the $5.75 to $6 MM range.

Bottom line though is that in arbitration , Trouba cannot win, at least in regards to his wishes. If an arbitrator awarded a high number then Chevy will just trade him. Myers will play the right side and we will get a decent asset or two in return.
- jetsnation

Why would Trouba sign a long term deal for what he’s worth today if he strongly feels he may be worth double ( looking around the league at other signings ) in 2 years? Or why would his agent tell him to? He wouldn’t. I get it. 4-5 year deal around 6.2 -6.5 is where this will land

Why would Trouba sign a long term deal for what he’s worth today if he strongly feels he may be worth double ( looking around the league at other signings ) in 2 years? Or why would his agent tell him to? He wouldn’t. I get it. 4-5 year deal around 6.2 -6.5 is where this will land
- Ross77

Ask guys like Hossa or Rick Dipietro or Yashin or Wade Redden or Leclavier or present-day guys like Lucic or even Little. Career threatening injuries can also happen.

Ask guys like Hossa or Rick Dipietro or Yashin or Wade Redden or Leclavier or present-day guys like Lucic or even Little. Career threatening injuries can also happen.
- jetsnation

We signed ehlers to a 7 year 6mil per deal last year!! Trouba is worth more to this team than ehlers!!! Actually by a lot!!! So he absolutely deserves a lot more than 6

Ask guys like Hossa or Rick Dipietro or Yashin or Wade Redden or Leclavier or present-day guys like Lucic or even Little. Career threatening injuries can also happen.
- jetsnation

And Your point is all more the reason to hold out for more.

We signed ehlers to a 7 year 6mil per deal last year!! Trouba is worth more to this team than ehlers!!! Actually by a lot!!! So he absolutely deserves a lot more than 6
- Ross77

I didn't say he didn't deserve more than $6 MM per. I did say he won't get anything close to $7 MM or Chevy will trade him . The final range will be between $5.75 and $6.3 MM depending on term.

And Your point is all more the reason to hold out for more.
- Ross77

You asked why Trouba would sign long term. All those bad contracts ,and I can add dozens more names, is why players sign long-term and maybe for a bit less than worth. Security !

Yes, the taxation issues in places like Alberta, Florida, and Vegas are becoming a real issue and an unfair advantage vs the rest of the NHL. It definitely needs to be addressed . The increasing currency differentials also are an issue.
- jetsnation

It will not be addressed by state and or provincial governments or through the CBA. I have experience in trying to get Mb Finance to waive a business tax applicable when the business person is a temporary residents (on a work permit) where the same tax is exempt for Permanent Residents and citizens of Canada. Believe me, governments are in the business of collecting tax, not relinquishing tax dollars.

MB Finance will suggest something like, "your organization could reimburse the person the amount of the tax". So, using this response, the NHL would be the organization and I doubt very much the NHL will increase revenue sharing in certain jurisdictions so Wpg can pay Jacob Trouba more salary to compensate for the tax dollars that MB will be imposing on salary. Bear in mind that the federal tax on income is consistent across Canada, it is provincial jurisdiction that are different as you correctly indicate.

This has been my experience. The tax issue IMOP will never be addressed.

You asked why Trouba would sign long term. All those bad contracts ,and I can add dozens more names, is why players sign long-term and maybe for a bit less than worth. Security !
- jetsnation

And I can name contracts like shiefele and mackinnon that are severely under paid. It goes both ways

It will not be addressed by state and or provincial governments or through the CBA. I have experience in trying to get Mb Finance to waive a business tax applicable when the business person is a temporary residents (on a work permit) where the same tax is exempt for Permanent Residents and citizens of Canada. Believe me, governments are in the business of collecting tax, not relinquishing tax dollars.

MB Finance will suggest something like, "your organization could reimburse the person the amount of the tax". So, using this response, the NHL would be the organization and I doubt very much the NHL will increase revenue sharing in certain jurisdictions so Wpg can pay Jacob Trouba more salary to compensate for the tax dollars that MB will be imposing on salary. Bear in mind that the federal tax on income is consistent across Canada, it is provincial jurisdiction that are different as you correctly indicate.

This has been my experience. The tax issue IMOP will never be addressed.
- CharlieDog

I agree with your statements about government collecting tax - they will not change for the NHL.

The NHL already has revenue sharing and precedent for trying to "level the playing field" for have/have not teams. It is entirely within the power of the Collective Bargaining Agreement to start a process that provides some equalization of tax dollar expenses. It is of interest to both the players and owners to address this and improve the equality for NHL players. No levels of government need to be involved, the NHL can take care of it through the CBA.

It would be a huge mistake to bridge Morrissey. He has proven himself as a legit top pairing defenceman with tremendous character. He should be signed to an 8-yr deal where the team would be receiving huge value in the last half of his deal. In order to win championships you have to make the right call on these contracts. You have to get the value on the back end just like Chicago did with Keith or you can be like Montreal and screw yourself like they did by bridging PK.

4 years at 5.5M seems fair. But I think it goes to a one year arbitration, which would mean a trade is eminent. Trouba for Ottawa's first rounder, held by Col would be fantastic for both teams in my opinion.
- bikeguy99

Agreed! The pick could be first overall in Jack Hughes. We do have the depth to withstand losing Trouba for a year and think we won't miss a step defensively.

Hughes would totally give us that one-two punch down the middle.

I agree with your statements about government collecting tax - they will not change for the NHL.

The NHL already has revenue sharing and precedent for trying to "level the playing field" for have/have not teams. It is entirely within the power of the Collective Bargaining Agreement to start a process that provides some equalization of tax dollar expenses. It is of interest to both the players and owners to address this and improve the equality for NHL players. No levels of government need to be involved, the NHL can take care of it through the CBA.
- 2.0

Article 49 of the CBA does deal with revenue sharing, industry growth funds, and a whole host of other redistribution issues in the NHL. So perhaps you are correct that the tax issue could be addressed as well one day. There is actually quite a number of situations covered there and although I was aware of the revenue sharing and distribution, I was shocked to see the number of other issues covered in this section. It is really quite extensive.


It will not happen anytime soon though as the current agreement is in effect until Sept 2022.

Were waiting for two things. A trade with you guys and to play you in the finals lol hurry up