- LeafGuy89

Putins b!tch.

Ya no.
Gardiner just makes dumb defensive plays all the time.
Great offensively.
But just dumb defensively
- Fakepartofme

Just play him and Nylander with Matthews, they'll look fine.

Karlsson for Nylander, Gardiner and 2019 1st round pick.

Karlsson easily fits under the cap for 2018/2019 season.

Here's how he fits the next year.

2019/2020 - Salary Cap Ceiling - 82.46M (Assuming cap goes up 2.96M)

The salary cap this year is 79.5 million, up from 75 million in 2018, 73 million in 2017, 71.4 million in 2016, 69 million in 2015, 64.3 million in 2014. On average, the cap rises 2.96 million a year over the past 5 years. The lowest it has risen in the past 5 years is 1.6 million. The most it has risen is 4.5 million.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Kessel: 1.2M (How (frank)ing stupid was that to retain salary?)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)

Total: 80.66M

While McDavid will be used by some as the benchmark to what Matthews and Marner get, Kucherov is a better comparable. He scored 80 and then 100 points as a 24 and 25 year old and led the league in scoring for most the year. McDavid won serious hardware that Matthews and Marner simply can't compare to. Tavares had half a dozen teams making him offers to negotiate with. Matthews and Marner won't have that opportunity until they become UFAs. And no team is going to pay four 1st round picks for either in the form of an offer sheet. As RFAs, they can get big pay days but not UFA paydays. That's why they should make less than Tavares. But, if Matthews must get 11M, there's exactly 1.5M still available to give to him so it still works.

Also assumed Kapanen and Johnsson get the same kind of money Brown and Hyman got because that's the likely type of players they can / will be with top-six minutes, given their age and skill set. If they score 20 goals, it's fair to give them what Brown got. If they want more, they can get traded and replaced.

If Marleau retires (which his contract is built for him to do on July 2nd, 2019, after he gets his 3 million dollar bonus and promptly traded to Arizona) it opens 6.5 more in cap space and solves every cap related problem very easily in one shot. Horton is on LTIR, obviously. Even if Marleau doesn't retire, he can fit but obviously the 6.5 million would be better spent on younger, cheaper players. Either way, it still works under the cap.

If the cap, for some incredible reason stays the same and doesn't rise (hasn't happened once yet) trade one of Johnsson, Brown or Hyman to clear cap space. If necessary, trade Zaitsev or Carrick to clear cap space. Replace with cheap UFA / ELC. Zaitsev is obviously the best candidate to be traded out of all the names listed, especially if Ozy can replace him as the Russian RHD.

Give Karlsson an 8 year deal with half of it in signing bonuses and upfront money. Make it lockout guaranteed. He's not as good as Doughty, that's why he gets a touch less but if it's absolutely necessary, making it 11M still fits.

Karlsson fits. Proven. This is why Prindham is the AGM, right?
- Unholy_Goalie

1. Karlsson will demand more thatn $10.5 AAV on the open market. Why would he give Toronto a discount?

2. Matthews is considered a generational player. As a result, his comparable is McDavid. If he puts up a monster year this year playing against 2nd pairing Dmen he will definitely be in line for $11 AAV.

3. What if Marleau doesn't retire?

4. Reality - whether you want to admit it or not - is not on your side. Nothwithstanding that Dubas is on record stating that he will KEEP THE CORE TOGETHER.

Move on.

I'll take Max and his Yagrisms over UG and his steaming pile of bagpipe bullpoop anyday

We weren't invited

I'm sticking with that.
- RickJames77

I'd say blame it all on Russia, but we're not allowed to actually blame it on them.

So, I'm just gonna blame it on the rain... yah yah.

I'll take Max and his Yagrisms over UG and his steaming pile of bagpipe bullpoop anyday
- jimi james

Karlsson for Nylander, Gardiner and 2019 1st round pick.

Karlsson easily fits under the cap for 2018/2019 season.

Here's how he fits the next year.

2019/2020 - Salary Cap Ceiling - 82.46M (Assuming cap goes up 2.96M)

The salary cap this year is 79.5 million, up from 75 million in 2018, 73 million in 2017, 71.4 million in 2016, 69 million in 2015, 64.3 million in 2014. On average, the cap rises 2.96 million a year over the past 5 years. The lowest it has risen in the past 5 years is 1.6 million. The most it has risen is 4.5 million.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Kessel: 1.2M (How (frank)ing stupid was that to retain salary?)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)

Total: 80.66M

While McDavid will be used by some as the benchmark to what Matthews and Marner get, Kucherov is a better comparable. He scored 80 and then 100 points as a 24 and 25 year old and led the league in scoring for most the year. McDavid won serious hardware that Matthews and Marner simply can't compare to. Tavares had half a dozen teams making him offers to negotiate with. Matthews and Marner won't have that opportunity until they become UFAs. And no team is going to pay four 1st round picks for either in the form of an offer sheet. As RFAs, they can get big pay days but not UFA paydays. That's why they should make less than Tavares. But, if Matthews must get 11M, there's exactly 1.5M still available to give to him so it still works.

Also assumed Kapanen and Johnsson get the same kind of money Brown and Hyman got because that's the likely type of players they can / will be with top-six minutes, given their age and skill set. If they score 20 goals, it's fair to give them what Brown got. If they want more, they can get traded and replaced.

If Marleau retires (which his contract is built for him to do on July 2nd, 2019, after he gets his 3 million dollar bonus and promptly traded to Arizona) it opens 6.5 more in cap space and solves every cap related problem very easily in one shot. Horton is on LTIR, obviously. Even if Marleau doesn't retire, he can fit but obviously the 6.5 million would be better spent on younger, cheaper players. Either way, it still works under the cap.

If the cap, for some incredible reason stays the same and doesn't rise (hasn't happened once yet) trade one of Johnsson, Brown or Hyman to clear cap space. If necessary, trade Zaitsev or Carrick to clear cap space. Replace with cheap UFA / ELC. Zaitsev is obviously the best candidate to be traded out of all the names listed, especially if Ozy can replace him as the Russian RHD.

Give Karlsson an 8 year deal with half of it in signing bonuses and upfront money. Make it lockout guaranteed. He's not as good as Doughty, that's why he gets a touch less but if it's absolutely necessary, making it 11M still fits.

Karlsson fits. Proven. This is why Prindham is the AGM, right?
- Unholy_Goalie

Your salaries are little outta wack.

1- you are not getting a 4th line at that price of 750K - I think you need to go with the league minimum which is around 1.2m
2- Marner will be in the 8 mil range
3- Matthews will near what Tavares is getting so add 1.5 mil there.
4. lucky if you are able to get one at that price but you risk of tiring out your main goalie

If Horton is still on the Leafs payroll and sent to the LITR, the Leafs might be able to squeeze by but they'll be in a situation where they may not be able to call up a player cause they'll be over the cap.

Marleau will finish his contract in Toronto



Then sign a cheap extension, cause he'll still be decent.
- Fakepartofme

Agree on finishing the contract, but cheap extension - not likely.

Karlsson still not a Maple Leaf?

Good!

I'll take Max and his Yagrisms over UG and his steaming pile of bagpipe bullpoop anyday
- jimi james

Karlsson still not a Maple Leaf?

Good!
- GreatGigInTheSky

Gardiner has better advanced stats than OEL, and OEL is considered to be an elite defenseman but Gardiner for some reason is garbage.
- LeafGuy89

because Toronto

this is the reason for EVERYTHING

and taxes

If leafs have a good year next season, why would Marleau be okay with going somewhere like Arizona for his last season? Seems like wishful thinking, Marleau will play out his full contract in Toronto and that third year will probably make things pretty tight.
- ClarksonDavid

We don't care he's better at hockey than UG.

Karlsson still not a Maple Leaf?

Good!
- GreatGigInTheSky

apparently there's tax differences between Toronto and Ottawa... which will prevent this deal from happening.

don't you know yet that Taxes are EVERYTHING

Marleau will finish his contract in Toronto



Then sign a cheap extension, cause he'll still be decent.
- Fakepartofme

And he has Maple Leaf jammies...

I am thinking Dubas and Shannahan should really get ahead of this recruitment process for any Ontario born and high level players. Identify all the high level prospects coming up through AAA, and etc. and send them Maple Leafs pajamas, bed sheets, shirts, hats and etc.

Why not, maybe even expand a little to Europe while they are at it

I am thinking Dubas and Shannahan should really get ahead of this recruitment process for any Ontario born and European players. Identify all the high level prospects coming up through AAA, and etc. and send them Maple Leafs pajamas, bed sheets, butt plugs, diapers, shirts, hats and etc.

Why not, maybe even expand a little to Europe while they are at it
- Archaic

brilliant

because Toronto

this is the reason for EVERYTHING

and taxes
- BorjeFan4Ever

Well...Arizona has been perpetually horrible all around OEL. So that has to count. Also, you're watching the things Gardiner does right? The numbers don't tell it all. Watch him head down, dump the puck up the ice to the attackers over and over and over again. He panics in his own end, this doesn't seem to be something that coaching can work out of him. I'd like to keep him if we can get a solid defender to bail him out. Which, admittedly, is what any elite D man needs. If they get him that, then who knows? Maybe we'll all be eating our hats.

brilliant
- Symba007

I see what you did there.

I see what you did there.
- Archaic

Well...Arizona has been perpetually horrible all around OEL. So that has to count. Also, you're watching the things Gardiner does right? The numbers don't tell it all. Watch him head down, dump the puck up the ice to the attackers over and over and over again. He panics in his own end, this doesn't seem to be something that coaching can work out of him. I'd like to keep him if we can get a solid defender to bail him out. Which, admittedly, is what any elite D man needs. If they get him that, then who knows? Maybe we'll all be eating our hats.
- mgriffen

I hope this happens just for HOHO's sake.

I hope this happens just for HOHO's sake.
- RickJames77

I don't know man....

That hat has a little of all of us in it.

I don't know man....

That hat has a little of all of us in it.
- Scabeh

that's why I gave him mine

I hope this happens just for HOHO's sake.
- RickJames77

Can I at least wash it first?

Well...Arizona has been perpetually horrible all around OEL. So that has to count. Also, you're watching the things Gardiner does right? The numbers don't tell it all. Watch him head down, dump the puck up the ice to the attackers over and over and over again. He panics in his own end, this doesn't seem to be something that coaching can work out of him. I'd like to keep him if we can get a solid defender to bail him out. Which, admittedly, is what any elite D man needs. If they get him that, then who knows? Maybe we'll all be eating our hats.
- mgriffen

a Methot to our Karlsson. like someone named Hamhuis