Can I at least wash it first?
- .OHOH.

Can I at least watch it first?
- .OHOH.

Fixed

Didn't karlsson say he wouldn't take less than he is worth? No discounts.

Didn't doughty just sign for 11mil?


Why would karlsson sign for a discount after he said he wouldnt? Especially with a team he has no connection with.
- burn

500K less per year is barely a discount. And why would he take it? To get out of Ottawa and onto a good team that can give him all the up front signing bonus money he wants.

Either way, there's still space available to give him the extra 500K if it was absolutely necessary.

We got a live one

Max is Plantheparade and now who are you? Hmmm...
- RickJames77

Pen15 = Puck-Us-All. Possibly Buck Norris too.

If leafs have a good year next season, why would Marleau be okay with going somewhere like Arizona for his last season? Seems like wishful thinking, Marleau will play out his full contract in Toronto and that third year will probably make things pretty tight.
- ClarksonDavid

Agree- he will play out the deal, and he earned his pay last season. Pretty sure both the Leafs and Marleau are happy with the deal at this point.
- winsix

For sure, Marleau didn't come here to be traded to some poop team as we get contenderish.
- Garnie

Because the contract was clearly designed for him to retire in the 3rd year after he gets his 3 million dollar signing bonus.

And even if he doesn't retire, he still fits under the cap as he was included in the calculations if any of you cared to look.

It still works either way.

1. Karlsson will demand more thatn $10.5 AAV on the open market. Why would he give Toronto a discount?
- Pen15

He's not better than Doughty. He still fits if he wants 11 instead of 10.5

2. Matthews is considered a generational player. As a result, his comparable is McDavid. If he puts up a monster year this year playing against 2nd pairing Dmen he will definitely be in line for $11 AAV.

Matthews hasn't won (frank) all other than the Calder. He's not as good as McDavid nor should he be paid like McDavid.

3. What if Marleau doesn't retire?

Still fits.

4. Reality - whether you want to admit it or not - is not on your side. Nothwithstanding that Dubas is on record stating that he will KEEP THE CORE TOGETHER.

Move on.

If Nylander and Gardiner get 6 million each, that's 12 million. 12 > 11. And they'll probably get 10 million each the way you seem to think Matthews and Marner should get paid.

Move on to a new account and agree with yourself again.

Your salaries are little outta wack.

1- you are not getting a 4th line at that price of 750K - I think you need to go with the league minimum which is around 1.2m
2- Marner will be in the 8 mil range
3- Matthews will near what Tavares is getting so add 1.5 mil there.
4. lucky if you are able to get one at that price but you risk of tiring out your main goalie

If Horton is still on the Leafs payroll and sent to the LITR, the Leafs might be able to squeeze by but they'll be in a situation where they may not be able to call up a player cause they'll be over the cap.
- zazzle

If league minimum is 1.2M how did Ennis get 650K?

Again, there's still cap room to fit in those extra 500K differences some players may or may not have. There's also the option to trade Hyman or Brown and open up 2 million to spread around to whoever needs it.

Matthews isn't a UFA and won't have the negotiating power that Tavares had. What team is going to surrender 4 1st round picks to give him that kind of offer? And even if a team did, there's space to fit him and match it.

5 posts in a row UG? That's quite the backread.

500K less per year is barely a discount. And why would he take it? To get out of Ottawa and onto a good team that can give him all the up front signing bonus money he wants.

Either way, there's still space available to give him the extra 500K if it was absolutely necessary.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong

5 posts in a row UG? That's quite the backread.
- Scabeh

Karlsson's worth it.

Pen15 = Puck-Us-All. Possibly Buck Norris too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong

Because the contract was clearly designed for him to retire in the 3rd year after he gets his 3 million dollar signing bonus.

And even if he doesn't retire, he still fits under the cap as he was included in the calculations if any of you cared to look.

It still works either way.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong

He's not better than Doughty. He still fits if he wants 11 instead of 10.5



Matthews hasn't won (frank) all other than the Calder. He's not as good as McDavid nor should he be paid like McDavid.



Still fits.



If Nylander and Gardiner get 6 million each, that's 12 million. 12 > 11. And they'll probably get 10 million each the way you seem to think Matthews and Marner should get paid.

Move on to a new account and agree with yourself again.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong

Wrong
- .OHOH.

Says the guy wanting to ban anyone who replies to my posts, then replies to my post with an alt.

Outstanding work.

If league minimum is 1.2M how did Ennis get 650K?

Again, there's still cap room to fit in those extra 500K differences some players may or may not have. There's also the option to trade Hyman or Brown and open up 2 million to spread around to whoever needs it.

Matthews isn't a UFA and won't have the negotiating power that Tavares had. What team is going to surrender 4 1st round picks to give him that kind of offer? And even if a team did, there's space to fit him and match it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong

5 posts in a row UG? That's quite the backread.
- Scabeh

The attention whoring is strong with this one.

Because the contract was clearly designed for him to retire in the 3rd year after he gets his 3 million dollar signing bonus.

And even if he doesn't retire, he still fits under the cap as he was included in the calculations if any of you cared to look.

It still works either way.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong

Karlsson's worth it.
- Unholy_Goalie

I can feel him getting closer to the Leafs as we speak!

Your hard work won't be for nothing!

500K less per year is barely a discount. And why would he take it? To get out of Ottawa and onto a good team that can give him all the up front signing bonus money he wants.

Either way, there's still space available to give him the extra 500K if it was absolutely necessary.
- Unholy_Goalie

But $11 million with Toronto is waaaaaaay less than $11 million with Tampa because of taxes.

0.00% chance he comes to Toronto.

I can feel him getting closer to the Leafs as we speak!

Your hard work won't be for nothing!
- Scabeh

Probably won't happen, but it should. The Leafs desperately need a top pairing RHD and Karlsson is available. Guys like Karlsson are almost never available like this. And Ottawa has little to no leverage. He'd be a bargain by comparison.

As it stands now, Tampa Bay has Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev. The Leafs adding Karlsson makes a huge difference to bridge that gap. Karlsson is a player who can and has won a playoff series by himself.

We've seen the impact players like Pronger and Niedermayer have made when they join their new teams. Literally straight to the Cup Finals and/or Stanley Cup victories. Every single multi-time Norris winner has won a Cup. Every Norris winner in the past 30 years has won a Cup or gone to the Finals.

This should be a no-brainer. If Yzerman wants Karlsson (and thinks he can fit him), Shanahan should be all over it.

But $11 million with Toronto is waaaaaaay less than $11 million with Tampa because of taxes.

0.00% chance he comes to Toronto.
- Atomic Wedgie

He has Salming pajamas and a Sundin bed spread.

100% chance he loves Toronto.

Probably won't happen, but it should. The Leafs desperately need a top pairing RHD and Karlsson is available. Guys like Karlsson are almost never available like this. And Ottawa has little to no leverage. He'd be a bargain by comparison.

As it stands now, Tampa Bay has Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev. The Leafs adding Karlsson makes a huge difference to bridge that gap. Karlsson is a player who can and has won a playoff series by himself.

We've seen the impact players like Pronger and Niedermayer have made when they join their new teams. Literally straight to the Cup Finals and/or Stanley Cup victories. Every single multi-time Norris winner has won a Cup. Every Norris winner in the past 30 years has won a Cup for gone to the Finals.

This should be a no-brainer. If Yzerman wants Karlsson (and thinks he can fit him), Shanahan should be all over it.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm sure the Leafs have interest.

But we have no idea what the price would be or if Ottawa would even consider trading him to their hated rivals.

Remember that they took a lesser deal because they didn't want to trade Hoffman to the (frank)ing Panthers.

I understand what you mean but you admitting it probably won't happen pretty much means you and everyone else actually agree.... yet the argument lives on... why is that?

I understand what you mean but you admitting it probably won't happen pretty much means you and everyone else actually agree.... yet the argument lives on... why is that?
- Scabeh

Because I'm a lonely soul that needs to take a contrarian and argumentative point of view to get people to engage me in conversation.

Translation... Because I'm an argumentative little female genitalia.
- Unholy_Goalie

But $11 million with Toronto is waaaaaaay less than $11 million with Tampa because of taxes.

0.00% chance he comes to Toronto.
- Atomic Wedgie

There is exactly the same chance he goes to Tampa. Anyone suggesting otherwise is spewing some Grade A bullpoop.

I'm sure the Leafs have interest.

But we have no idea what the price would be or if Ottawa would even consider trading him to their hated rivals.

Remember that they took a lesser deal because they didn't want to trade Hoffman to the (frank)ing Panthers.

I understand what you mean but you admitting it probably won't happen pretty much means you and everyone else agree.... yet the argument lives on... why is that?
- Scabeh

I agree that trading within the division was a problem for them with Hoffman but clearly they don't have a problem with dealing him to Tampa Bay, so why the Leafs?

At this point, the Senators are looking for the best deal they can get to improve their team and play their way out of a lottery pick for Colorado. Nylander and Gardiner can give them quality players, one of them still young enough to grow and the other to play on the blueline and eat up some of the minutes lost by Karlsson. Plus a 1st round pick, which as of now, they don't have.

If the offers are poop from the other teams and Karlsson doesn't want to play for them this season or sign an extension, trading him to the Leafs for a good package becomes a more intriguing option.

The point is that he can fit under the cap and that it would benefit the Leafs. The reasons some people are providing are wrong. Nylander and Gardiner aren't going to re-sign for free. The cap is still going to be an issue but at least with Karlsson, you have a Norris winning RHD. It's clearly a better move for the Leafs.