If league minimum is 1.2M how did Ennis get 650K?

Again, there's still cap room to fit in those extra 500K differences some players may or may not have. There's also the option to trade Hyman or Brown and open up 2 million to spread around to whoever needs it.

Matthews isn't a UFA and won't have the negotiating power that Tavares had. What team is going to surrender 4 1st round picks to give him that kind of offer? And even if a team did, there's space to fit him and match it.
- Unholy_Goalie

I think he'll be on the Marlies and if he does make the team, at this point he will not put up great numbers. He was also bought out from his previous contract so there's that and if want to make $$ on his next contract, he'll produce way more than what I think he will. Think of how many point Martin got last year is what I'm think Ennis may get the upcoming season.

I agree that trading within the division was a problem for them with Hoffman but clearly they don't have a problem with dealing him to Tampa Bay, so why the Leafs?

At this point, the Senators are looking for the best deal they can get to improve their team and play their way out of a lottery pick for Colorado. Nylander and Gardiner can give them quality players, one of them still young enough to grow and the other to play on the blueline and eat up some of the minutes lost by Karlsson. Plus a 1st round pick, which as of now, they don't have.

If the offers are poop from the other teams and Karlsson doesn't want to play for them this season or sign an extension, trading him to the Leafs for a good package becomes a more intriguing option.

The point is that it can work and that it would benefit the Leafs. The reasons some people are providing are wrong. He can fit under the cap and the Leafs would be a better team. Nylander and Gardiner aren't going to re-sign for free. The cap is still going to be an issue but at least with Karlsson, you have a Norris winning RHD. It's clearly a better move for the Leafs.
- Unholy_Goalie

It's a defendable opinion overall. I get it. I also get why some might not agree... that's the beauty of opinions.

And as for the bolded, as far as I know, they haven't made any trade to Tampa yet? All we have are rumors and god knows if those are true.

He's not better than Doughty. He still fits if he wants 11 instead of 10.5



Matthews hasn't won (frank) all other than the Calder. He's not as good as McDavid nor should he be paid like McDavid.



Still fits.



If Nylander and Gardiner get 6 million each, that's 12 million. 12 > 11. And they'll probably get 10 million each the way you seem to think Matthews and Marner should get paid.

Move on to a new account and agree with yourself again.
- Unholy_Goalie

Doughty wasn't a UFA. He was still under contract for 1 more year in LA. EK has already expressed that he wants out of Ottawa. The only team he is willing to sign with LT right now is Tampa (per reports). You're the only troll that thinks he'll get less than Doughty - and you're only arguing it to fit your shaky math.

If Matthews is a PPG player and drops 40 goals this year he'll get paid $11MM. Again, just because you want your math to work doesn't make it reality.

I'd much rather Nylander and Gardiner at $12MM combined with 113 total points than EK and an ELC at $11.75MM combined and 62+20? = 82 total points.

I also don't need alt accounts to own you. Although not much a personal feat for me, I was taught not to pick on the kids getting off the short bus.

I think he'll be on the Marlies and if he does make the team, at this point he will not put up great numbers. He was also bought out from his previous contract so there's that and if want to make $$ on his next contract, he'll produce way more than what I think he will. Think of how many point Martin got last year is what I'm think Ennis may get the upcoming season.
- zazzle

Regardless, the Leafs can still sign cheap players to play on the 4th line, especially given the fact that they have 3 centers who can easily play 18-20 minutes a night each. The 4th line barely even matters at this point if it means getting Karlsson on the blueline.

He has Salming pajamas and a Sundin bed spread.

100% chance he loves Toronto.
- Unholy_Goalie

He doesn't have to give up his family and friends, that's what the offseason and retirement are for. Unless somebody can provide proof that his wife is a demanding woman who absolutely must be in Toronto at all costs, being in Toronto year round seems unnecessary in the face of more money and playing for a better team with less pressure.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21

Because the contract was clearly designed for him to retire in the 3rd year after he gets his 3 million dollar signing bonus.

And even if he doesn't retire, he still fits under the cap as he was included in the calculations if any of you cared to look.

It still works either way.
- Unholy_Goalie

Don't care if he fits under the cap...just stated he will finish in TO...how much you willing to bet we don't get Karlsson?

But $11 million with Toronto is waaaaaaay less than $11 million with Tampa because of taxes.

0.00% chance he comes to Toronto.
- Atomic Wedgie

Can we change the topic to smart condoms now?

It's a defendable opinion overall. I get it. I also get why some might not agree... that's the beauty of opinions.

And as for the bolded, as far as I know, they haven't made any trade to Tampa yet? All we have are rumors and god knows if those are true.
- Scabeh

There was a lot of smoke there so there's probably a fire. It boils down to clearing cap space to fit him and making 2nd and/or 3rd trades to open the space. The Leafs have the space, they just need to make a better deal and pull the trigger.

I'm sure the Leafs have interest.

But we have no idea what the price would be or if Ottawa would even consider trading him to their hated rivals.

Remember that they took a lesser deal because they didn't want to trade Hoffman to the (frank)ing Panthers.

I understand what you mean but you admitting it probably won't happen pretty much means you and everyone else actually agree.... yet the argument lives on... why is that?
- Scabeh

Panther were only offering pick and they want player for player type of deal and not because division rivals.

He doesn't have to give up his family and friends, that's what the offseason and retirement are for. Unless somebody can provide proof that his wife is a demanding woman who absolutely must be in Toronto at all costs, being in Toronto year round seems unnecessary in the face of more money and playing for a better team with less pressure.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21
- Atomic Wedgie

Salming pajamas. Sundin bed spread. Proven.

He has Salming pajamas and a Sundin bed spread.

100% chance he loves Toronto.
- Unholy_Goalie

That doesn't automatically mean he's willing to throw away more money, on a better team to play for the Leafs. It also doesn't mean he hasn't learned something since he was 10 years old. You think he knew the pitfalls of crazy fans and media at 10? I bet you he does now.


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21

He's not better than Doughty. He still fits if he wants 11 instead of 10.5
- Unholy_Goalie

Also...per your definition, EK is better than Doughty. He has 2 Norris Trophy's. Doughty has 1.

There was a lot of smoke there so there's probably a fire. It boils down to clearing cap space to fit him and making 2nd and/or 3rd trades to open the space. The Leafs have the space, they just need to make a better deal and pull the trigger.
- Unholy_Goalie

Probably just need to offer Melnyk cash. Karlsson for Marincin, 2% controlling stake in Burkies Doghouse and a briefcase of cash.

Atomic Wedgie vs UG

damn...we need pool filled with jello

That doesn't automatically mean he's willing to throw away more money, on a better team to play for the Leafs. It also doesn't mean he hasn't learned something since he was 10 years old. You think he knew the pitfalls of crazy fans and media at 10? I bet you he does now.


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21
- Atomic Wedgie

and teammates' girlfriends!

Also...per your definition, EK is better than Doughty. He has 2 Norris Trophy's. Doughty has 1.
- Pen15

the one Doughty won could have easily gone to EK

the one Doughty won could have easily gone to EK
- Symba007

via GIPHY

500K less per year is barely a discount. And why would he take it? To get out of Ottawa and onto a good team that can give him all the up front signing bonus money he wants.

Either way, there's still space available to give him the extra 500K if it was absolutely necessary.
- Unholy_Goalie

If it's taking money out of his pocket, it's a big factor. 12 million USD difference from the Leafs and the Lightning. Plus the fact that the Lightning are legit contenders.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21

That doesn't automatically mean he's willing to throw away more money, on a better team to play for the Leafs. It also doesn't mean he hasn't learned something since he was 10 years old. You think he knew the pitfalls of crazy fans and media at 10? I bet you he does now.


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21
- Atomic Wedgie

Called Tavares, went on a double date, the wives got along well. Done deal.

Atomic Wedgie vs UG

damn...we need pool filled with jello
- Symba007

I'm the only one that had one of those handy?


oh yeah, sure, I'm the weirdoh...but when you all want my jello filled pool it's ok....got it.

Probably won't happen, but it should. The Leafs desperately need a top pairing RHD and Karlsson is available. Guys like Karlsson are almost never available like this. And Ottawa has little to no leverage. He'd be a bargain by comparison.

As it stands now, Tampa Bay has Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev. The Leafs adding Karlsson makes a huge difference to bridge that gap. Karlsson is a player who can and has won a playoff series by himself.

We've seen the impact players like Pronger and Niedermayer have made when they join their new teams. Literally straight to the Cup Finals and/or Stanley Cup victories. Every single multi-time Norris winner has won a Cup. Every Norris winner in the past 30 years has won a Cup or gone to the Finals.

This should be a no-brainer. If Yzerman wants Karlsson (and thinks he can fit him), Shanahan should be all over it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not EK.

If it's taking money out of his pocket, it's a big factor. 12 million USD difference from the Leafs and the Lightning. Plus the fact that the Lightning are legit contenders.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=153412&page=21
- Atomic Wedgie

How to win a HB argument

Called Tavares, went on a double date, the wives got along well. Done deal.
- Unholy_Goalie

Go for the three team trade if you catch my drift

Did you tip on the tax?

Pen15 = Puck-Us-All. Possibly Buck Norris too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong, like so many other things