Would you smile or frown if Karlsson joins Tampa Bay and makes it even harder to match-up against them in the playoffs?
- Unholy_Goalie

Is smile the right answer? I'd smile

Well we know 1 multi time Norris trophy winner that hasn't won a cup.
- bobbyisno1

Not yet.

Took Ray Bourque a long time too.

But if they let him go to Tampa Bay, won't be that long until he does.

Not yet.

Took Ray Bourque a long time too.

But if they let him go to Tampa Bay, won't be that long until he does.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not yet.

Took Ray Bourque a long time too.

But if they let him go to Tampa Bay, won't be that long until he does.
- Unholy_Goalie

If you say so, but I think the Leafs are the better team.

How does Doughty - a 1x Norris winner - get $11MM

but Karlsson - a 2x Norris winner - not get more?
- Pen15

Doughty has met his goaltenders and other defensemen.

If you say so, but I think the Leafs are the better team.
- bobbyisno1

They're not the better team right now, the forwards might be close but Tampa Bay's defense and goaltending are significantly better. If they add Karlsson, Tampa Bay runs away with the Atlantic and maybe even the East.

Acquiring Karlsson makes the Leafs better but it also prevents Tampa Bay from getting better. That's like a 4 point game in offseason terms.

Doughty has met his goaltenders and other defensemen.
- Aetherial

I saw you say on another thread that nobody has compared Gardiner to Karlsson.

That guy has.

They're not the better team right now, the forwards might be close but Tampa Bay's defense and goaltending are significantly better. If they add Karlsson, Tampa Bay runs away with the Atlantic and maybe even the East.

Acquiring Karlsson makes the Leafs better but it also prevents Tampa Bay from getting better. That's like a 4 point game in offseason terms.
- Unholy_Goalie

Tampa allowed more goals.


Nope. Leafs would take a step back for a few years.

Tampa allowed more goals.


Nope. Leafs would take a step back for a few years.
- Steven_Seagull

Karlsonn is an elite D

but the price a team will have to pay for a guy that's available in one year is just too much.

We haven't seen an elite player get traded for a package in years....and there is a reason for it

Karlsonn is an elite D

but the price a team will have to pay for a guy that's available in one year is just too much.

We haven't seen an elite player get traded for a package in years....and there is a reason for it
- Santo_44

Leafs don’t need, or can afford Karlsson. Pass.

They're not the better team right now, the forwards might be close but Tampa Bay's defense and goaltending are significantly better. If they add Karlsson, Tampa Bay runs away with the Atlantic and maybe even the East.

Acquiring Karlsson makes the Leafs better but it also prevents Tampa Bay from getting better. That's like a 4 point game in offseason terms.
- Unholy_Goalie

If you say so, but goals against tell a different story.
And adding Tavares makes the Leafs offence better and maybe the defense too.

Tampa allowed more goals.


Nope. Leafs would take a step back for a few years.
- Steven_Seagull

If you say so, but goals against tell a different story.
And adding Tavares makes the Leafs offence better and maybe the defense too.
- bobbyisno1

Leafs playoff GAA: 4.00

Lightning playoff GAA: 2.82

When it mattered, Leafs defense and goaltending wasn't there, giving up 35 shots per game average.

In the past 10 years, no center was on the ice for more goals against than Tavares last year at 114.

Leafs playoff GAA: 4.00

Lightning playoff GAA: 2.82

When it mattered, Leafs defense and goaltending wasn't there, giving up 35 shots per game average.
- Unholy_Goalie

Small sample size. Irrelevant.

They're not the better team right now, the forwards might be close but Tampa Bay's defense and goaltending are significantly better. If they add Karlsson, Tampa Bay runs away with the Atlantic and maybe even the East.

Acquiring Karlsson makes the Leafs better but it also prevents Tampa Bay from getting better. That's like a 4 point game in offseason terms.
- Unholy_Goalie

Actually, losing JVR and Bozak will make the Leafs defense better.

Karlsonn is an elite D

but the price a team will have to pay for a guy that's available in one year is just too much.

We haven't seen an elite player get traded for a package in years....and there is a reason for it
- Santo_44

At this point, it might just boil down to who pays the most and if the Leafs can outbid Tampa Bay and Dallas, maybe they can land him for less than what a player of his talent level would usually go for.

Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st might make Ottawa seriously consider moving him to the Leafs. Two roster players, one with potential to get even better and both help them stay out of a lottery pick.

If Karlsson is healthy and they can agree to an extension that gives him the upfront signing bonus money that Ottawa won't give him, the Leafs might be able to pull it off.

Leafs playoff GAA: 4.00

Lightning playoff GAA: 2.82

When it mattered, Leafs defense and goaltending wasn't there, giving up 35 shots per game average.

In the past 10 years, no center was on the ice for more goals against than Tavares last year at 114.
- Unholy_Goalie

And how many was he on the ice for?
Or doesn't 5hat fit your argument?

Atomic Wedgie vs UG

damn...we need pool filled with jello
- Symba007

Hi

Leafs playoff GAA: 4.00

Lightning playoff GAA: 2.82

When it mattered, Leafs defense and goaltending wasn't there, giving up 35 shots per game average.

In the past 10 years, no center was on the ice for more goals against than Tavares last year at 114.
- Unholy_Goalie

Small sample size. Sorry man.

But hey I guess Karlsonns Norris didn't count. It happened when it did not matter

I saw you say on another thread that nobody has compared Gardiner to Karlsson.

That guy has.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not in an effort to show they are equal.

At this point, it might just boil down to who pays the most and if the Leafs can outbid Tampa Bay and Dallas, maybe they can land him for less than what a player of his talent level would usually go for.

Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st might make Ottawa seriously consider moving him to the Leafs. Two roster players, one with potential to get even better and both help them stay out of a lottery pick.

If Karlsson is healthy and they can agree to an extension that gives him the upfront signing bonus money that Ottawa won't give him, the Leafs might be able to pull it off.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nope. Leafs don’t need, or can afford Karlsson. Pass.

Karlsonn is an elite D

but the price a team will have to pay for a guy that's available in one year is just too much.

We haven't seen an elite player get traded for a package in years....and there is a reason for it
- Santo_44

Trading for him would be a disaster IMO.

Signing him next year as a FA would be dicey. The price in who you have to let walk would be tough.

At this point, it might just boil down to who pays the most and if the Leafs can outbid Tampa Bay and Dallas, maybe they can land him for less than what a player of his talent level would usually go for.

Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st might make Ottawa seriously consider moving him to the Leafs. Two roster players, one with potential to get even better and both help them stay out of a lottery pick.

If Karlsson is healthy and they can agree to an extension that gives him the upfront signing bonus money that Ottawa won't give him, the Leafs might be able to pull it off.
- Unholy_Goalie

To a fanbase that has been kicked in the nuts as much as it has...I can not see them trading him to the Leafs. That would be the ultimate kick in the nuts to Sens fans.

Actually, losing JVR and Bozak will make the Leafs defense better.
- bobbyisno1

They were on the ice for 91 goals against, combined. Considering how much they played together, a lot of those would have been double counted.

I'm just saying, the defense needs to be improved. Hainsey was poop for the second half of the season and he's done after this year. Gardiner is a pending UFA and you either overpay him to stay or he walks for nothing like JVR. Carrick isn't anything special. Rielly is the only top pairing D they have and even he makes almost as many mistakes as Gardiner defensively. Adding Karlsson gives the Leafs a guy who is not only a two-time Norris winner and a RHD but also controls the game from the blueline who can play 20-25 minutes and dominate a game.

At this point, it might just boil down to who pays the most and if the Leafs can outbid Tampa Bay and Dallas, maybe they can land him for less than what a player of his talent level would usually go for.

Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st might make Ottawa seriously consider moving him to the Leafs. Two roster players, one with potential to get even better and both help them stay out of a lottery pick.

If Karlsson is healthy and they can agree to an extension that gives him the upfront signing bonus money that Ottawa won't give him, the Leafs might be able to pull it off.
- Unholy_Goalie

Sounds like old-school Leafs management, chasing fools gold.

To a fanbase that has been kicked in the nuts as much as it has...I can not see them trading him to the Leafs. That would be the ultimate kick in the nuts to Sens fans.
- Santo_44

Would be fun though.