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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 17 @ 3:51 PM ET
The cap went up 4.5 million last year. I simply took the average. Again, trading the likes of a Brown who could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player is still worth it to add a player like Karlsson. You can replace depth players a lot easier than you can pull a Karlsson out of a hat.

It's a minor risk and it's definitely worth taking for a legit top pairing RHD.

- Unholy_Goalie


The cap went up, due to the additional revenue generated by the Golden Knights..
We may not see an increase until the Seattle thing is done.
It's fun to guess-timate, I know.. I am guilty of it as well, but it would'nt work in our favour.. We'd be asking for a lot of contributions from the guys making league minimum.
Potentially replacing Johnsson - Kadri and Brown with Tyler Ennis - Frederick Gauthier and a well past their prime Joel Ward isn't productive.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Jul 17 @ 3:51 PM ET
Question period is now open
- Symba007


don't you mean the "questionable comment period" or "redundant repetitive comment period"

Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 17 @ 3:51 PM ET
don't you mean the "questionable comment period" or "redundant repetitive comment period"


- BorjeFan4Ever

That's a lot of questions but I'll answer as best as I can. First of all, Kudos to you for even knowing that there IS a difference!!

Miss USA is mostly about looks. There are three phases of competition all weighted equally - evening gown, swimsuit and interview.

Miss America is more about the total package. There are five phases of competition - Talent at 35%, Interview at 25%, Evening Gown at 20%, Swimsuit at 15% and On Stage Question at 5%.

There are three things that really make the Miss America system different...there is a talent portion, the interview is much more intense and, most importantly, it provides millions of dollars in scholarships not only to the winners, but runner ups, preliminary winners, etc. every year.

Neither system is necessarily "better" than the other. They are just different. There are girls that are successful only in one system, but there are many that crossover and are successful in both.

Hope this explains it
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 3:52 PM ET
These don't happen very often with players like Matthews & Marner.
- Pen15


Neither does adding Tavares and Karlsson in the same offseason and going for a Cup in a three year window. They all love Marleau right? Well if his ass isn't going to retire and open up that 6.5 AAV that they need to pay these guys, maybe they all love him enough to take a haircut and go for a Cup with him altogether.
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 17 @ 3:52 PM ET
They still fit, even at that price. Might have to move a less valuable depth player, not a big deal at all.
- Unholy_Goalie



Nope. Can’t afford him.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Jul 17 @ 3:53 PM ET
They still fit, even at that price. Might have to move a less valuable depth player, not a big deal at all.
- Unholy_Goalie

Even in your scenario, you've dedicated about 50% of the cap to 4 roster players. That's what you don't get. The cost of making a move like that would involve gutting the rest of your team.

Not. Worth. It.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 17 @ 3:53 PM ET
Nope. Can’t afford him.
- Steven_Seagull

Drug Ford will fix all that
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 3:53 PM ET
The cap went up, due to the additional revenue generated by the Golden Knights..
We may not see an increase until the Seattle thing is done.
It's fun to guess-timate, I know.. I am guilty of it as well, but it would'nt work in our favour.. We'd be asking for a lot of contributions from the guys making league minimum.
Potentially replacing Johnsson - Kadri and Brown with Tyler Ennis - Frederick Gauthier and a well past their prime Joel Ward isn't productive.

- PatC80


Seattle is coming soon, but the average is still 2.96 per year. I went with the average, not the highest number.

Brown is replaceable. So is Johnsson.
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 17 @ 3:54 PM ET
Drug Ford will fix all that
- Symba007



PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 17 @ 3:54 PM ET
So Matthews and Marner are goners I guess. Only Tavares remains with his Leafs bedsheets.
- Unholy_Goalie


I think it widely believed that Matthews will be getting at least $10M per season..

Marner should likely come in around $8M, cause he is way better than Ryan Johansen.(That's my logic and I'm sticking to it)

Nylander might be the only one who gets a bridge deal, but the risk is knowing that he will outperform it quickly.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Jul 17 @ 3:54 PM ET
That's a lot of questions but I'll answer as best as I can. First of all, Kudos to you for even knowing that there IS a difference!!

Miss USA is mostly about looks. There are three phases of competition all weighted equally - evening gown, swimsuit and interview.

Miss America is more about the total package. There are five phases of competition - Talent at 35%, Interview at 25%, Evening Gown at 20%, Swimsuit at 15% and On Stage Question at 5%.

There are three things that really make the Miss America system different...there is a talent portion, the interview is much more intense and, most importantly, it provides millions of dollars in scholarships not only to the winners, but runner ups, preliminary winners, etc. every year.

Neither system is necessarily "better" than the other. They are just different. There are girls that are successful only in one system, but there are many that crossover and are successful in both.

Hope this explains it

- Symba007


I'm good now... thanks (but you should have posted a picture of one of the young ladies - eye candy always appreciated)


one further question - do I have to back-read all the crap for today?
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 3:54 PM ET
Even in your scenario, you've dedicated about 50% of the cap to 4 roster players. That's what you don't get. The cost of making a move like that would involve gutting the rest of your team.

Not. Worth. It.

- Pen15


Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Karlsson. Worth it.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Jul 17 @ 3:55 PM ET
Neither does adding Tavares and Karlsson in the same offseason and going for a Cup in a three year window. They all love Marleau right? Well if his ass isn't going to retire and open up that 6.5 AAV that they need to pay these guys, maybe they all love him enough to take a haircut and go for a Cup with him altogether.
- Unholy_Goalie

Who loves Marleau? Wtf are you babbling about now?
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 17 @ 3:55 PM ET
Taxes, baby. Tampa can sign players cheaper because of taxes. Or did you forget all those long winded comments you posted?
- Steven_Seagull

https://youtu.be/WPxJIS744M0


......The Lunatic is on the Grass...................See you on the dark side of the moon
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 17 @ 3:55 PM ET
Drug Ford will fix all that
- Symba007

Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 17 @ 3:56 PM ET
Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Karlsson. Worth it.
- Unholy_Goalie



Won’t have anybody good to play with, so they won’t win crap...



....oh, I see why you want Karlsson...
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Jul 17 @ 3:56 PM ET
Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Karlsson. Worth it.
- Unholy_Goalie

And the rest scrubs / ELCs. Great GM'ing.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 3:57 PM ET
I think it widely believed that Matthews will be getting at least $10M per season..

Marner should likely come in around $8M, cause he is way better than Ryan Johansen.(That's my logic and I'm sticking to it)

Nylander might be the only one who gets a bridge deal, but the risk is knowing that he will outperform it quickly.

- PatC80


In my scenario, Matthews got Kucherov money (which he hasn't fully earned yet by the way) and Marner got 7.5. That's only 1 million less than what you think. If it's my scenario, your scenario or the difference is split, they all still fit under the cap. There was 1.8 million left to pay any one of those guys a bit extra if it was absolutely necessary. That being said, if Dubas went to them and said you guys have to take a 500K (really a 250K) haircut to add this Norris winner, you think they say no? Maybe Matthews doesn't and Marner does. Maybe the other way around. But the money is there. Just trading Zaitsev could free up the money and even improve the team if he doesn't improve from last year.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 3:59 PM ET
And the rest scrubs / ELCs. Great GM'ing.
- Pen15


ELCs can't be good? Even when they're playing with players proven to elevate the game of those around them?
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 4:00 PM ET
Won’t have anybody good to play with, so they won’t win crap...



....oh, I see why you want Karlsson...

- Steven_Seagull


Which is why those guys are paid to elevate the game of those around them

Oh I see, because of your irrational hatred.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Jul 17 @ 4:00 PM ET
ELCs can't be good? Even when they're playing with players proven to elevate the game of those around them?
- Unholy_Goalie

Not when they make up 73% of the team.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 17 @ 4:01 PM ET
And the rest scrubs / ELCs. Great GM'ing.
- Pen15


Basically, yeah;

Leivo - Tavares - Kapanen
Hyman - Matthews- Marner
Grundstrom - Lindholm - Ales Hemsky
Ennis- Gauthier - Joel Ward
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 17 @ 4:02 PM ET
ELCs can't be good? Even when they're playing with players proven to elevate the game of those around them?
- Unholy_Goalie



the risk is if the guys on ELC, do become good, they need to be paid too,
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 17 @ 4:03 PM ET
He’s such a hypocrite.

JVR+Bozak > Tavares: argues this

Nylander+Gardiner > Karlsson: argues against this



- Steven_Seagull


My favorite is when he said Karlsonn makes any team that trades for him a contender....a few days ago he said you have to prove you are a contender by making the finals or winning the cup
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 17 @ 4:03 PM ET
Not when they make up 73% of the team.
- Pen15


There's only 5 or 6 of them out of 18 but if you think that's 73% then I guess it explains why you'll never understand that Karlsson can fit.
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