That's a lot of questions but I'll answer as best as I can. First of all, Kudos to you for even knowing that there IS a difference!!

Miss USA is mostly about looks. There are three phases of competition all weighted equally - evening gown, swimsuit and interview.

Miss America is more about the total package. There are five phases of competition - Talent at 35%, Interview at 25%, Evening Gown at 20%, Swimsuit at 15% and On Stage Question at 5%.

There are three things that really make the Miss America system different...there is a talent portion, the interview is much more intense and, most importantly, it provides millions of dollars in scholarships not only to the winners, but runner ups, preliminary winners, etc. every year.

Neither system is necessarily "better" than the other. They are just different. There are girls that are successful only in one system, but there are many that crossover and are successful in both.

Hope this explains it
- Symba007

oh

My favorite is when he said Karlsonn makes any team that trades for him a contender....a few days ago he said you have to prove you are a contender by making the finals or winning the cup
- Santo_44

Basically, yeah;

Leivo - Tavares - Kapanen
Hyman - Matthews- Marner
Grundstrom - Lindholm - Ales Hemsky
Ennis- Gauthier - Joel Ward
- PatC80

Not at all.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)

In my scenario, Matthews got Kucherov money (which he hasn't fully earned yet by the way) and Marner got 7.5. That's only 1 million less than what you think. If it's my scenario, your scenario or the difference is split, they all still fit under the cap. There was 1.8 million left to pay any one of those guys a bit extra if it was absolutely necessary. That being said, if Dubas went to them and said you guys have to take a 500K (really a 250K) haircut to add this Norris winner, you think they say no? Maybe Matthews doesn't and Marner does. Maybe the other way around. But the money is there. Just trading Zaitsev could free up the money and even improve the team if he doesn't improve from last year.
- Unholy_Goalie

You underestimated Matthews by $1.5
You underestimated Marner by $0.5 (but I'm willing to let that go)
You underestimated EK by $0.5
Overall, you've underestimated total spend by $2, and you only have $1.8 in cap space, even with all the ELCs you've built into the roster.

In term of discounts, aren't you the one that always harps on people about how players don't accept them? That it's about the money? Why the sudden change in tune? And if legit, why is Toronto the lucky city to get the discounts? Why not Tampa, Boston or SJ?

My favorite is when he said Karlsonn makes any team that trades for him a contender....a few days ago he said you have to prove you are a contender by making the finals or winning the cup
- Santo_44

Does that mean that Ottawa is a contender if they keep him?

There's only 5 or 6 of them out of 18 but if you think that's 73% then I guess it explains why you'll never understand that Karlsson can fit.
- Unholy_Goalie

Because he’s can’t.

Not at all.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong cap hits, and general...

the risk is if the guys on ELC, do become good, they need to be paid too,
- PatC80

For the short term though, they get paid very little and the big pay players are helping them elevate their game and results. If you get a situation where you can't pay one, they are more easily replaced than finding a Karlsson at a bus stop.

Not at all.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson
(10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)
- Unholy_Goalie

So, first we get days or arguing why Tavares would not sign here because of taxes, but now we estimate Leafs salaries, but taxes don't matter?

Does that mean that Ottawa is a contender if they keep him?
- Aetherial

Depends

does UG say so?

There's only 5 or 6 of them out of 18 but if you think that's 73% then I guess it explains why you'll never understand that Karlsson can fit.
- Unholy_Goalie

No, I just have the ability to look beyond next year. I wonder how we'll sign guys like Rielly, Kadri and Andersen when their contracts are due?

You underestimated Matthews by $1.5
You underestimated Marner by $0.5 (but I'm willing to let that go)
You underestimated EK by $0.5
Overall, you've underestimated total spend by $2, and you only have $1.8 in cap space, even with all the ELCs you've built into the roster.

In term of discounts, aren't you the one that always harps on people about how players don't accept them? That it's about the money? Why the sudden change in tune? And if legit, why is Toronto the lucky city to get the discounts? Why not Tampa, Boston or SJ?
- Pen15

So a whopping 200K is the difference even if they all got more money by your estimates but between four guys they can't take 50K less each to make it work?

No, I just have the ability to look beyond next year. I wonder how we'll sign guys like Rielly, Kadri and Andersen when their contracts are due?
- Pen15

You don’t. Trade them because a guy on an ELC is guaranteed to be just as good.

Depends

does UG say so?
- Santo_44

I am too scared to ask. You ask!

So, first we get days or arguing why Tavares would not sign here because of taxes, but now we estimate Leafs salaries, but taxes don't matter?
- Aetherial

They all have Leafs bedspreads at home which negates any tax considerations.

So, first we get days or arguing why Tavares would not sign here because of taxes, but now we estimate Leafs salaries, but taxes don't matter?
- Aetherial

Again, old school thinking was overpaying for 1 player and adding him to a pile of poop and expecting it to work out. The Leafs have plenty of other very good pieces to add to. It's not the same at all. It's simply shifting one area of strength to cover an area of weakness.

What if Nylander gets hit in the head and never plays again? It's so easy to just assume a player is going to get hurt and never play again, why does it have to be Karlsson and not Nylander?

Nylander's offense can be replaced by the other young stars they have and Tavares. What Karlsson brings to the table the Leafs simply do not have.
- Unholy_Goalie

What does he bring other than 11mil contract offense and the dispersal of other players?

They all have Leafs bedspreads at home which negates any tax considerations.
- Unholy_Goalie

You are saltier than Isles fans about the Tavares signing! Got it so wrong.

My favorite is when he said Karlsonn makes any team that trades for him a contender....a few days ago he said you have to prove you are a contender by making the finals or winning the cup
- Santo_44

Adding Karlsson would allow the Leafs to compete with Tampa Bay in the playoffs and give them a chance to prove they are a contender. Certainly improves their team on the blueline more than Gardiner ever could.

Not at all.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)
- Unholy_Goalie

If Marner and Matthews come in at a combined $17M, that's a steal..If not, we can't afford Karlsson.

Not at all.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)
- Unholy_Goalie

You have 5 UFA/ELC and a UFA goalie at 1 million as a backup.

How is that sustainable. Didn't you just argue that no more than 2 members of our CHAMPION farm team will be NHL'ers. How do we sustain that pipeline.. or do we just get the very bottom of the scrap heap on our 4th line and 3rd pairing.

Adding Karlsson would allow the Leafs to compete with Tampa Bay in the playoffs and give them a chance to prove they are a contender. Certainly improves their team on the blueline more than Gardiner ever could.
- Unholy_Goalie

Weakens the forward group, and guts the depth. Leafs become a worse team.

So a whopping 200K is the difference even if they all got more money by your estimates but between four guys they can't take 50K less each to make it work?


- Unholy_Goalie

Not more money...market value.

The fact that you needed to underestimate every big name player in your ludicrous dream scenario, just to get $1.8 under the "assumed" cap, shows how out of touch you are.

Adding Karlsson would allow the Leafs to compete with Tampa Bay in the playoffs and give them a chance to prove they are a contender. Certainly improves their team on the blueline more than Gardiner ever could.
- Unholy_Goalie

I still get a huge kick out of this

You contradict yourself way too often

Getting Karlsson would mean gutting the team. Can’t afford him. UG doesn’t math well.


Rielly-Pesce
- Steven_Seagull

I agree!