Karlsson would be wicked awesome here. The guy is extremely talented and a top 5 D-man in the league.. The cost to get him, plus what we'd potentially have to lose to keep him here long term, is legit scary

Say the cost is Nylander, Liljegren, a 2019 1st and Sparks to get him. Once he agrees to an extension, we'd likely have to move out, as you said, Brown, or Hyman or Johnsson.. That's potentially losing as many as 7 pieces to bring in one.. and replacing the rest with spare parts.. Could it work, yes... Will it help up long-term, not sure..
- PatC80

The cost would be worth it. But the cost should include Gardiner, not Liljegren. Ottawa needs to stay out of a lottery pick and Gardiner helps them more now than Liljegren does. Leafs also need to clear Gardiner's salary too.

Again, my scenario fit all those depths players. Only one of them would have to go if absolutely, worst case scenario, necessary. And you can replace Brown or Hyman really easily, especially if they play with Tavares or Matthews. Finding a Karlsson is relatively impossible by comparison. It's worth it and it can work.

Look at what Chicago had/has to do because of the Kane/Toews contracts. They haven’t won a single playoff series since those contracts started, yet they have to sell off players. But the Leafs will be fine with 3 of them?
- Steven_Seagull

That went to my point that was completely ignored by UG a few days ago. Name me the teams that have dedicated over 50% of their cap space to 4 roster spots?

Look at what Chicago had/has to do because of the Kane/Toews contracts. They haven’t won a single playoff series since those contracts started, yet they have to sell off players. But the Leafs will be fine with 3 of them?
- Steven_Seagull

3?

Tavaraids 11M
Matthchoke 11M
Marner 8.5M
Nylander 8M
Karlsson 11.5M
Gardiner 7M

The cost would be worth it. But the cost should include Gardiner, not Liljegren. Ottawa needs to stay out of a lottery pick and Gardiner helps them more now than Liljegren does. Leafs also need to clear Gardiner's salary too.

Again, my scenario fit all those depths players. Only one of them would have to go if absolutely, worst case scenario, necessary. And you can replace Brown or Hyman really easily, especially if they play with Tavares or Matthews. Finding a Karlsson is relatively impossible by comparison. It's worth it and it can work.
- Unholy_Goalie

Worst case scenario?! You undercut Matthews, Marner and EK. FFS, I'm surprised you didn't make up a number for JT.

Look at what Chicago had/has to do because of the Kane/Toews contracts. They haven’t won a single playoff series since those contracts started, yet they have to sell off players. But the Leafs will be fine with 3 of them?
- Steven_Seagull

3 Stanley Cups. Worth it.

And if you're going to talk about Kane and Toews contracts, both of them had shorter term bridge deals before they got 10.5 AAV so if Matthews and Marner follow suit (which they should because they haven't won (frank) all yet) their cap hits would be even lower and it makes it even easier to fit Karlsson. So good job proving yourself wrong.

3?

Tavaraids 11M
Matthchoke 11M
Marner 8.5M
Nylander 8M
Karlsson 11.5M
Gardiner 7M
- Symba007

3 Stanley Cups. Worth it.

And if you're going to talk about Kane and Toews contracts, both of them had shorter term bridge deals before they got 10.5 AAV so if Matthews and Marner follow suit (which they should because they haven't won (frank) all yet) their cap hits would be even lower and it makes it even easier to fit Karlsson. So good job proving yourself wrong.
- Unholy_Goalie

Different times. Bridge deals for bonafide stars doesn't really happen anymore. We already went through this.

Worst case scenario?! You undercut Matthews, Marner and EK. FFS, I'm surprised you didn't make up a number for JT.
- Pen15

"Undercut" in your mind and it was still only 200K over the cap. It would easy to clear 200K. Even if they had to clear 1M, it would still be easy.

3 Stanley Cups. Worth it.

And if you're going to talk about Kane and Toews contracts, both of them had shorter term bridge deals before they got 10.5 AAV so if Matthews and Marner follow suit (which they should because they haven't won (frank) all yet) their cap hits would be even lower and it makes it even easier to fit Karlsson. So good job proving yourself wrong.
- Unholy_Goalie

They didn’t get a Cup with the current Kane/Toews contracts. Good job proving yourself wrong.


Bold: There’s that speculation again.

"Undercut" in your mind and it was still only 200K over the cap. It would easy to clear 200K. Even if they had to clear 1M, it would still be easy.
- Unholy_Goalie

Again, no to Karlsson.
No matter how many times you say it.
Now (frank) off.

Different times. Bridge deals for bonafide stars doesn't really happen anymore. We already went through this.
- Pen15

Those deals weren’t even that low. They were over 11% of the cap hit. Tavares’s 11m is under 14%. Leafs can’t afford Karlsson, it’s that simple. Plus, they don’t even need him!

"Undercut" in your mind and it was still only 200K over the cap. It would easy to clear 200K. Even if they had to clear 1M, it would still be easy.
- Unholy_Goalie

Your entire 4th line and bottom pairing D are UFA/ELC making $750M each.

I also didn't include the undercut of Marner in the difference.

The addition of Karlsson would likely mean the subtraction of the following:

- Nylander
- Gardiner
- Hyman/Brown
- Johnsson/Kapanen

2/3rds of your bottom six and 1/3rd of your D pairings will be UFA/ELC making about league minimum. But somehow that's a better, more balanced lineup in your eyes.

They didn’t get a Cup with the current Kane/Toews contracts. Good job proving yourself wrong.


Bold: There’s that speculation again.
- Steven_Seagull

Because they didn't get paid for something they didn't earn but somehow Matthews and Marner should be paid giant sums of money before they win anything?

Those deals weren’t even that low. They were over 11% of the cap hit. Tavares’s 11m is under 14%. Leafs can’t afford Karlsson, it’s that simple. Plus, they don’t even need him!
- Steven_Seagull

I agree.

Those deals weren’t even that low. They were over 11% of the cap hit. Tavares’s 11m is under 14%. Leafs can’t afford Karlsson, it’s that simple. Plus, they don’t even need him!
- Steven_Seagull

That's a whole other point I don't think I have the energy to argue at this point.

Your entire 4th line and bottom pairing D are UFA/ELC making $750M each.

I also didn't include the undercut of Marner in the difference.

The addition of Karlsson would likely mean the subtraction of the following:

- Nylander
- Gardiner
- Hyman/Brown
- Johnsson/Kapanen

2/3rds of your bottom six and 1/3rd of your D pairings will be UFA/ELC making about league minimum. But somehow that's a better, more balanced lineup in your eyes.
- Pen15

The 4th line and the bottom pairings are already low paying, poopty players.

Hyman, Brown and Johnsson can all be replaced rather easily, much easier than plucking a Karlsson out of thin air.

Adding a two-time Norris winner improves the team, yes.

Those deals weren’t even that low. They were over 11% of the cap hit. Tavares’s 11m is under 14%. Leafs can’t afford Karlsson, it’s that simple. Plus, they don’t even need him!
- Steven_Seagull

Leafs barely have one defenseman worthy of being considered a top pairing defenseman but Tampa Bay is in on Karlsson when they already have Hedman and McDonagh. But clearly, Yzerman must be stupid and the Leafs don't need a top pairing RHD.

Sure thing.

The 4th line and the bottom pairings are already low paying, poopty players.

Hyman, Brown and Johnsson can all be replaced rather easily, much easier than plucking a Karlsson out of thin air.

Adding a two-time Norris winner improves the team, yes.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not at the cost of those 4 players. And I see you conveniently left Kapanen off your reply.

Too many holes to fill.

The 4th line and the bottom pairings are already low paying, poopty players.

Hyman, Brown and Johnsson can all be replaced rather easily, much easier than plucking a Karlsson out of thin air.

Adding a two-time Norris winner improves the team, yes.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wrong!

Not at the cost of those 4 players. And I see you conveniently left Kapanen off your reply.

Too many holes to fill.
- Pen15

I agree.

Because they didn't get paid for something they didn't earn but somehow Matthews and Marner should be paid giant sums of money before they win anything?
- Unholy_Goalie

Eichel got 10. Draisaitl got over 8.


Matthews > Eichel

Marner > Draisaitl

I agree.
- Unholy-Goalie

Argument settled. I like this UG.

Not at the cost of those 4 players. And I see you conveniently left Kapanen off your reply.

Too many holes to fill.
- Pen15

Because he doesn't need to be replaced. Neither would Johnsson or Brown or Hyman. Only in your "everybody demands more money" scenario would one of them have to go.

Because he doesn't need to be replaced. Neither would Johnsson or Brown or Hyman. Only in your "everybody demands more money" scenario would one of them have to go.
- Unholy_Goalie

No. Only in fair market value would one of them have to go.

Eichel got 10. Draisaitl got over 8.


Matthews > Eichel

Marner > Draisaitl
- Steven_Seagull

Kucherov got 9.5 and he put up better numbers than both of them.

Draisaitl put up better numbers than Marner. He even has more points than Matthews.