WTF is going on here?
- Der Kaiser

Sorry been busy

Listen, I don't love everything about Reinharts game. Sure I want him to be a faster skater / better shooter, whatever. But the reality is that entire draft was pretty weak. Sure Draisaitl is playing at a higher level then Reinhart today, but how many other's are? (sticking to forwards below)

Reinhart 249 65 75 140 points
Draisaitl 269 75 132 207 points
Bennett 241 42 47 89 points
Dal Colle 4 0 0 points
Virtanen 140 17 17 34 points
Nylander 185 48 87 135 points
Ehlers 236 69 93 162 points
Ritchie 186 26 33 59 points
Fiala 140 35 30 65 points
Perlini 131 31 20 51 points
Vrana 94 16 17 33 points
Larkin 242 56 84 140 points
Milano 62 14 9 23 points

(I will not continue only because anyone taken after here did not have better results, but also because no way we would have taken someone at 17th overall + instead of Reinhart at 2)

I tend to agree with everything you are stating here, the world is not on fire right now for Reinhart, he is developing into a top 6 player here. Sure I want a top 3 player, maybe he will be (see RhinoFan's examples above), but if he is top 6 for many years, we should be happy. I want a better player, but who was really better? Draisaitl, Nylander (his team did make the playoffs 2 years in a row, vs Sabres who have been near or at bottom of league since drafted), Larkin. I have said it before, Reinhart was drafted to have the better overall career and since that is years from being over for any of these guys, it is tough to judge the final results yet.
- Lilroot9

Great post.

I'm hoping for more from sam. Hes the 2nd overall pick and we lost on purpose to draft him.

60 points
More effort and heart

Experts did say it was a weak draft and that he would take time to develop.

Trying to like him

Landeskog, Barkov, Galchenyuk, Seguin, Duchene, Huberdeau...all were top 3 picks in the most recent drafts before Reinhart.

None of them started consistently scoring in the seventies until 5-6 years down the road if at all. Barkov didn't until last year. Gal hasn't broke 60. Landy broke 60 only twice in 6 years, never 70. Seguin had 67 year 2, then lockout, then in year 4 he broke out. Duchene, broke 70 once. Huberdeau just broke 60 for the first time, last year.

Reinhart is fine. If he gets 60+ points this year, which I think is feasible for him, that will be a very big step forward. To say that 60+ points isn't meeting expectations simply means yours are higher than the achievements of previous quality players of the same draft pedigree and are thus unfairly high. Rant over, I promise.
- RhinoFan

As of now Reinhart is a tossup with Ehlers as 3rd best forward in this draft class behind Draisatil and Nylander. That’s a bit disappointing as the first forward taken in the draft. I said 65 points for him this year and I’d be impressed. Sorry as a 2nd overall pick I expected more. Barkov and Eichel would have hit 70 points last year if they didn’t miss time and they should both be in the 80-85 range this year. Seguin like you said has blown the hinges off the doors since his third professional season. Marner had 69 points last year and was a 4th overall pick and I’m sure the Coyotes are still kicking themselves for taking Strome.

As of now Reinhart is a tossup with Ehlers as 3rd best forward in this draft class behind Draisatil and Nylander. That’s a bit disappointing as the first forward taken in the draft. I said 65 points for him this year and I’d be impressed. Sorry as a 2nd overall pick I expected more. Barkov and Eichel would have hit 70 points last year if they didn’t miss time and they should both be in the 80-85 range this year. Seguin like you said has blown the hinges off the doors since his third professional season. Marner had 69 points last year and was a 4th overall pick and I’m sure the Coyotes are still kicking themselves for taking Strome.
- Pegullaville

Pastrnak...

He is probably the best if not the best top 2

As of now Reinhart is a tossup with Ehlers as 3rd best forward in this draft class behind Draisatil and Nylander. That’s a bit disappointing as the first forward taken in the draft. I said 65 points for him this year and I’d be impressed. Sorry as a 2nd overall pick I expected more. Barkov and Eichel would have hit 70 points last year if they didn’t miss time and they should both be in the 80-85 range this year. Seguin like you said has blown the hinges off the doors since his third professional season. Marner had 69 points last year and was a 4th overall pick and I’m sure the Coyotes are still kicking themselves for taking Strome.
- Pegullaville

Listen, I don't love everything about Reinharts game. Sure I want him to be a faster skater / better shooter, whatever. But the reality is that entire draft was pretty weak. Sure Draisaitl is playing at a higher level then Reinhart today, but how many other's are? (sticking to forwards below)

Reinhart 249 65 75 140 points
Draisaitl 269 75 132 207 points
Bennett 241 42 47 89 points
Dal Colle 4 0 0 points
Virtanen 140 17 17 34 points
Nylander 185 48 87 135 points
Ehlers 236 69 93 162 points
Ritchie 186 26 33 59 points
Fiala 140 35 30 65 points
Perlini 131 31 20 51 points
Vrana 94 16 17 33 points
Larkin 242 56 84 140 points
Milano 62 14 9 23 points

(I will not continue only because anyone taken after here did not have better results, but also because no way we would have taken someone at 17th overall + instead of Reinhart at 2)

I tend to agree with everything you are stating here, the world is not on fire right now for Reinhart, he is developing into a top 6 player here. Sure I want a top 3 player, maybe he will be (see RhinoFan's examples above), but if he is top 6 for many years, we should be happy. I want a better player, but who was really better? Draisaitl, Nylander (his team did make the playoffs 2 years in a row, vs Sabres who have been near or at bottom of league since drafted), Larkin. I have said it before, Reinhart was drafted to have the better overall career and since that is years from being over for any of these guys, it is tough to judge the final results yet.
- Lilroot9

I am a supporter of Rhino. If he goes 30/30 after going 25/25 he will definitely have lived up to my expectations. He ain't perfect and hindsight is always easy that we should have drafted Draisatl or Pastranak but we didn't. Look forward, not backwards. We'll be good this year.

Listen, I don't love everything about Reinharts game. Sure I want him to be a faster skater / better shooter, whatever. But the reality is that entire draft was pretty weak. Sure Draisaitl is playing at a higher level then Reinhart today, but how many other's are? (sticking to forwards below)

Reinhart 249 65 75 140 points
Draisaitl 269 75 132 207 points
Bennett 241 42 47 89 points
Dal Colle 4 0 0 points
Virtanen 140 17 17 34 points
Nylander 185 48 87 135 points
Ehlers 236 69 93 162 points
Ritchie 186 26 33 59 points
Fiala 140 35 30 65 points
Perlini 131 31 20 51 points
Vrana 94 16 17 33 points
Larkin 242 56 84 140 points
Milano 62 14 9 23 points

(I will not continue only because anyone taken after here did not have better results, but also because no way we would have taken someone at 17th overall + instead of Reinhart at 2)

I tend to agree with everything you are stating here, the world is not on fire right now for Reinhart, he is developing into a top 6 player here. Sure I want a top 3 player, maybe he will be (see RhinoFan's examples above), but if he is top 6 for many years, we should be happy. I want a better player, but who was really better? Draisaitl, Nylander (his team did make the playoffs 2 years in a row, vs Sabres who have been near or at bottom of league since drafted), Larkin. I have said it before, Reinhart was drafted to have the better overall career and since that is years from being over for any of these guys, it is tough to judge the final results yet.
- Lilroot9

Totally agree. There's nothing perfect about any player, Reinhart has even more warts than you'd want for a 2nd overall pick being that he isn't a fast skater and lacks some of the power that a net front game requires. Still, with his totals, looking at both his draft class and comparable high draft pedigree players of years past...a lot of them don't hit their full stride until year 4, 5 or sometimes even 6. I'm hopeful he can be a 65pt player all things said and done, I think that gets scoffed at when in actuality, when looking around the league, that would put him in with pretty high quality players.

How everyone keeps skipping Pastrnak is mind blowing

I am a supporter of Rhino. If he goes 30/30 after going 25/25 he will definitely have lived up to my expectations. He ain't perfect and hindsight is always easy that we should have drafted Draisatl or Pastranak but we didn't. Look forward, not backwards. We'll be good this year.
- SabreWest

Good post.

How everyone keeps skipping Pastrnak is mind blowing
- Stripes77

I merely gloss over him because he was so much later in the 1st round. I think he's kind of the steal in the draft.

I'm not arguing that Rhino is the best in his draft or anything crazy like that. Simply that, historically speaking, he's living up to the expectations of a 2nd overall pick if he can break 60 next year. It's a decent jump, but with an improved team around him I think that's realistic. Maybe it's the Kool Aid, maybe it's Maybelline.

I am a supporter of Rhino. If he goes 30/30 after going 25/25 he will definitely have lived up to my expectations. He ain't perfect and hindsight is always easy that we should have drafted Draisatl or Pastranak but we didn't. Look forward, not backwards. We'll be good this year.
- SabreWest

I am a supporter of Rhino. If he goes 30/30 after going 25/25 he will definitely have lived up to my expectations. He ain't perfect and hindsight is always easy that we should have drafted Draisatl or Pastranak but we didn't. Look forward, not backwards. We'll be good this year.
- SabreWest

At the time, the expectation was a top line center, maybe a second line center if you were really down on the draft class. He's not going to meet that. Nothing wrong a solid two-way top 6 winger, but the expectation of him has already been lowered.

How everyone keeps skipping Pastrnak is mind blowing
- Stripes77

I did miss him on my initial list, but no way the Sabres should have taken him at 2 overall since he went so late. How many other teams skipped over him too?

I understand you look at his stats and watch him play and wonder how, but it's not like he was expected to do that or else he would have been a top 5 pick.

I did miss him on my initial list, but no way the Sabres should have taken him at 2 overall since he went so late. How many other teams skipped over him too?

I understand you look at his stats and watch him play and wonder how, but it's not like he was expected to do that or else he would have been a top 5 pick.
- Lilroot9

I can't believe he slipped that far to be honest but you're right he wasn't a top 5 guy for sure.

That being said Reinhart 60 points

I did miss him on my initial list, but no way the Sabres should have taken him at 2 overall since he went so late. How many other teams skipped over him too?

I understand you look at his stats and watch him play and wonder how, but it's not like he was expected to do that or else he would have been a top 5 pick.
- Lilroot9

I had him in my top ten but never saw him going in the top 5 oh well

And I had MDC ahead of him lol

How everyone keeps skipping Pastrnak is mind blowing
- Stripes77

he wasn't a #tankforpasty so he means nothing

he wasn't a #tankforpasty so he means nothing
- TheSabresTaco

If he was a center he would of gone top 5 but As we see in every draft .

centers move up quick in the draft being the quarterbacks of the nhl

I had him in my top ten but never saw him going in the top 5 oh well

And I had MDC ahead of him lol
- gerbe75pts

Everyone had MDC ahead of him. Twisted Wrister 4 lyfe. Hello, did you see him in the CHL All-Stars Game? I know Botts didn't.

Everyone had MDC ahead of him. Twisted Wrister 4 lyfe. Hello, did you see him in the CHL All-Stars Game? I know Botts didn't.
- Hatboro_Swords

MDC>Pasta

MDC>Pasta
- TheSabresTaco

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We have been unlucky with the brothers:
Keith Gretzky
Wayne Primeau
Marcus Foligno
Rob Neidermayer

We have been unlucky with the brothers:
Keith Gretzky
Wayne Primeau
Marcus Foligno
Rob Neidermayer
- Khmylev

At least Sam isn’t griffin or max.

How everyone keeps skipping Pastrnak is mind blowing
- Stripes77

Late first round pick I always forget he was in that draft. He is the best forward taken in that draft however.

At least Sam isn’t griffin or max.
- TheHank

Instead he's a top line winger. Guess that chip flew pretty far from the block.

We have been unlucky with the brothers:
Keith Gretzky
Wayne Primeau
Marcus Foligno
Rob Neidermayer
- Khmylev

The only pair of brothers I can think of who were both really, really good is Henrik and Daniel.

It seems like either one is really good, or neither is very good. I guess we'll see what Tkachuk does.

Rob had a nice career but he was not Scott Niedermayer