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PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Jul 24 @ 11:48 AM ET
ANA: Lindholm
AZ: Goligoski
CGY: Hamonic
EDM: Draisatl
LA: Muzzin
SJ: Hertl
VAN: Tanev
VGK: Reaves

Some of these guys are very good players, just think they're overrated in general.

- Scabeh


Nailed it.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 24 @ 11:51 AM ET
So they were only playing 2 on 2 hockey?

Pretty much every team he's been on has been a bottom dweller/non playoff team until the Sharks, thats what I mean and Im assuming Vic meant as well. The only year a team he was on (besides last year) made the playoffs was the 2014/2015 Jets and he didnt play a single game due to injury haha.

If he can manage to stay healthy enough for 70+ games this year he will have a career year. Book it.

- MattStrat

He has been playing with top tier talent. He is not suddenly going to have a major jump in production.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 24 @ 11:54 AM ET
Ok...but he also plays with a physical edge like Kunitz, or Kunitz used to. The kind that opens up space and creates opportunities for teammates while also wearing the other team down.
- MattStrat

oh
Mino42
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philipsburg, PA
Joined: 08.10.2015

Jul 24 @ 12:12 PM ET
If Vegas didn't have Reeves he would have picked Flower. He would have brought up his new deal then rolled right into playoff numbers and Tomas Vokoun. I do agree with the Sutter hate but I'm glad his trade was able to bring Bones and Hags to the Pens.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jul 24 @ 12:32 PM ET
If you are going to do an article on overrated players, you should at least include players that other people think are actually good and make your argument.

ANA - Fowler > Always thought of as a top pairing D, never lived up to it.
EDM - Talbot > Not a real starting goalie.
SJ - Burns > Only concerned with shooting pucks and padding stats, sucks at defence.
CAL - Brodie > Needs a strong partner to succeed.
VAN - Virtanen > Hype on him is greater than real performance. Will peak at 20 g.
VGS - Karlsson > Really good year, but will come crashing down to earth next season.
dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Jul 24 @ 12:38 PM ET
Since you completely whiffed on the Calgary Flames, I'll pick for you.

Troy Brouwer is a real jerk and should only be used for faceoffs in OT.

- zipfel


Do you understand what overrated means? He may have been overrated when Tre signed him, but nobody thinks so anymore.
dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Jul 24 @ 12:40 PM ET
Nothing for LA or Flames ?
Let me help ...
LA. Brown /
Cal. Lazar /

- dozerD10


Again, nobody thinks Lazar is good. Someone else said hamonic for the Flames. That is a good pick for overrated.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 24 @ 1:09 PM ET
In my correct opinion, they all suck.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 24 @ 1:12 PM ET
If my correct opinion, they all suck.
- jmatchett383

Lol šŸ˜‚

Is Benoit Pouliot still worth something? Not even a $0.65M contract?
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 24 @ 1:31 PM ET
Iā€™m interested on the rationale for Hampus - he and Josh to me at least are very formidable pairing ... overrated if anything heā€™s underrated.
- dozerD10


As I said, it's not really a knock on Lindholm, he's a very good young player.

But for so long, he was hyped up as a #1 defenseman who could not only defend very well but put up very good offensive numbers.... and I have yet to see that from him.

I'd take him on my team anyday, but I think he may have been a little overhyped is all.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 24 @ 1:39 PM ET
He has been playing with top tier talent. He is not suddenly going to have a major jump in production.
- Feds91Stammer



The other 4 skaters on the ice with him will be of higher quality overall. The team as a whole will be much stronger. He is now just inside the prime age. His production will rise...

...if he stays healthy.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 24 @ 2:01 PM ET
Lol šŸ˜‚

Is Benoit Pouliot still worth something? Not even a $0.65M contract?

- Barnaby36


He's worth Derrick Pouliot, aka a surefire top-10 NHL defenseman.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 24 @ 2:12 PM ET
He's worth Derrick Pouliot, aka a surefire top-10 NHL defenseman.
- jmatchett383


Iā€™d take dp as my number 10 d man.
dcoms77
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham, ON
Joined: 12.26.2013

Jul 24 @ 2:16 PM ET
If Vegas didn't have Reeves he would have picked Flower. He would have brought up his new deal then rolled right into playoff numbers and Tomas Vokoun. I do agree with the Sutter hate but I'm glad his trade was able to bring Bones and Hags to the Pens.
- Mino42

Sutter trade and Haglen acquisition had nothing to with each other aside from a throw in dman that would have been a third round pick or another prospect in both cases. Sutter did bring back the pick that was used on Gustavson who was the main piece that brought in Brassard though.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 24 @ 2:44 PM ET
Sutter trade and Haglen acquisition had nothing to with each other aside from a throw in dman that would have been a third round pick or another prospect in both cases. Sutter did bring back the pick that was used on Gustavson who was the main piece that brought in Brassard though.
- dcoms77


Sutter = Bergeron Therefore Pens lose [/sarcasm]
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 24 @ 3:12 PM ET
If Vegas didn't have Reeves he would have picked Flower. He would have brought up his new deal then rolled right into playoff numbers and Tomas Vokoun. I do agree with the Sutter hate but I'm glad his trade was able to bring Bones and Hags to the Pens.
- Mino42


Best part about that Jim Benning quote was as soon as the Pens traded him away, They won TWO Championships
Aerchon
Joined: 10.14.2011

Jul 24 @ 3:15 PM ET
So you forgot Arizona, Calgary & LA. Called the blog most overrated from each team but actually just went with crappiong on specific teams/players with little to no rhyme or reason.

Ana: You hate Kesler sure, who doesnt? But im not sure if he is as overrated as say Perry.

Edm: Kris Russell/Adam Larsson/Milan Lucic... So you hate Chiarelli, we get it. He traded Hall and now every chance you bring it up. Non of those players are overrated. Lucic I suppose falls into this category for his terrible year but both Russell and Larsson have been solid in thier roles. For me Klefbom, outside his one good year, is criminally overrated. Nurse is currently a bit overratted as well.

SJS: Kane. I agree.

Van: I agree.

Vegas: The whole roster is currently overrated. A year ago this group of individuals was expected to be dead last. It didn't improve on paper and yet now everyone expects these guys to repeat thier career years.

Arizona: Same as Vegas. But instead of being overrated because of performace Arizona players are overrated because of draft position and hype.

Calgary: Although its calmed down now Bennet was always overrated. Hanafin attempting to fill in for Hamilton is a gross overrating.

LA: Kovalchuk. Older and coming off years in a lesser league... I personally wouldnt expect too much from him. LA has improved but are still a very defensive team as well. Not exactly a great formula for success.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 24 @ 3:54 PM ET
So you forgot Arizona, Calgary & LA. Called the blog most overrated from each team but actually just went with crappiong on specific teams/players with little to no rhyme or reason.

Ana: You hate Kesler sure, who doesnt? But im not sure if he is as overrated as say Perry.

Edm: Kris Russell/Adam Larsson/Milan Lucic... So you hate Chiarelli, we get it. He traded Hall and now every chance you bring it up. Non of those players are overrated. Lucic I suppose falls into this category for his terrible year but both Russell and Larsson have been solid in thier roles. For me Klefbom, outside his one good year, is criminally overrated. Nurse is currently a bit overratted as well.

SJS: Kane. I agree.

Van: I agree.

Vegas: The whole roster is currently overrated. A year ago this group of individuals was expected to be dead last. It didn't improve on paper and yet now everyone expects these guys to repeat thier career years.


Arizona: Same as Vegas. But instead of being overrated because of performace Arizona players are overrated because of draft position and hype.

Calgary: Although its calmed down now Bennet was always overrated. Hanafin attempting to fill in for Hamilton is a gross overrating.

LA: Kovalchuk. Older and coming off years in a lesser league... I personally wouldnt expect too much from him. LA has improved but are still a very defensive team as well. Not exactly a great formula for success.

- Aerchon

I agree with you on Vegas. I think they're still a playoff team, but Fleury and Karlsson I think had unrepeatable years. Fleury is over 30 and had the best year of his career. Don't get me wrong, I think MAF is awesome, but when you have a career season after the age of 30 I think its far more likely that it was a peak rather than a sign of things to come. Likewise, I think Wild Bill is a good player, but his shooting percentage is not repeatable. 23.4% is absurd.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jul 24 @ 5:45 PM ET
Aint nobody but our GM is overrating sutter.

Dude sucks, but he is the prototypical 3rd line center, and a decent one in that situation.

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Also how did everyone not choose Karlsson for Vegas.
24.5% shooting percentage (2nd in the league)

not a snowballs chance in HELL that he maintains that.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jul 24 @ 5:59 PM ET
Aint nobody but our GM is overrating sutter.

Dude sucks, but he is the prototypical 3rd line center, and a decent one in that situation.

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Also how did everyone not choose Karlsson for Vegas.
24.5% shooting percentage (2nd in the league)

not a snowballs chance in HELL that he maintains that.

- classic321


That is exactly what people said all last season.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 24 @ 6:38 PM ET
So 'overrated' because people think the player is really really good & others or analytics don't.

Or,

Overrated because a players agent got that player more money than people think the player is worth?

If a player can get more money than he's worth I'm happy for him. (frank) aren't we all over worked & under paid? I know I am.

A players worth also is the market & what a team is prepared to pay or can afford to pay - hello Mr Johnson (maybe). What that player can do for a team that he may not do for another.

I think trades can determine the real value of a player - Hall for Larsson anyone?? Did Costanza overrate Larsson or underrate Hall? Was Larsson more valuable to the Oil than Hall?

Hags wasn't playing well for the Ducks but became a real important player for the Pens. Was Hags overrated by the Ducks signing for 4m per? I heard a lot of defence in here for that contract especially as he's not a big scorer. Should he be considered overrated because he has a $4m contract?

I think $$$$ has a lot to do with opinions when maybe there should be an award for most outstanding player agent at the NHL awards. It can be the 'Jerry' for most outstanding performed player agent. Then another award can be 'George Costanza Award'. Best trade made by a GM. Shero could probably win that 2 years running just for the Hall/Larsson trade.
Greyman
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NF
Joined: 06.14.2013

Jul 24 @ 7:09 PM ET
I have always thought that calling a player a "face puncher" is the most disrespectful thing. I bet you'd never have the guts to say it to any of them in person.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 7:23 PM ET
I donā€™t see how Reaves didnā€™t get more money somewhere else. There isnā€™t another player comparable to him in the entire league. Sure Crosby and Mcdouchebag are great offensive players but there are players that can do what they do to a certain extent. Is there another player that can swing with a right hand and beat the opponent to the ice no matter where the punch lands? I donā€™t think so. I was thinking more of a 5 x 3 contract.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 7:27 PM ET
Most overrated way of thinking hockey anyone? ā€œUnderlying numbersā€ ā€œadvanced metricsā€ ā€œhero chartitions
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 7:43 PM ET
Letā€™s be realistic, McPhee was probably under strict orders to sign Reaver. Second year franchises donā€™t keep filling arenas by not spending two mil on fan favorite playoff heroā€™s.
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