Gotta disagree with you. Kuli has 2 more seasons at 4.33M which will be an issue when it comes to Connor/Liane/Trouba contracts following this season.
I agree moving Trouba and Meyers would be overly disruptive and unnecessary. However, Trouba does not want to play in winnipeg, and wants an exorbitant amount of $$$ and max term. I think they will part ways. And being Chevy, you will be pleased with the return on Trouba. Nothing needs to be done in haste at this point, but something has to give. Maybe it will be Perrault or Little, but given Trouba's continued issues throughout his Jets career, I have a hard time seeing them agree on an extension.
- bikeguy99

my mistake - thanks for the correction.

Let me say this, no matter where they sign or for how much, Myers will be severely more over paid on his next deal compared to what Trouba will sign for whenever or wherever he signs a long term deal.

Muskwa - I've lived through losing a team already ... I tend to side with management these days ... and they seem to be doing a bang-up job
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PREDICTION: in 2 yrs time, the Scheifs contract will be regarded as the signing of the century !
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But my question remains - how is Trouba 1 yr contract bad for Jets ?
- CorydonKeith

It is bad for the Jets because it complicates Chevy's cap/salary spreadsheet and roster planning for the next several years. And he now has to wrestle with the question of what to do with JT, although I would think by now he at least knows Trouba's priorities - we are left guessing how to rank them: 1) Max Salary; 2) UFA staus; 3) Playing on a winning team; 4) More power play time = > scoring; 5) Playing with a group of guys and coach which he is/isnt comfortable with; 6) Playing in a different climate or somewhere taxes are <;
I think JT is his own man and is not strongly influenced by Overhardt when setting his priorities. I WOULD love to know how many of these details are genuinely discussed between Trouba's camp and Chevy.......

Just spit balling. Detroit wants Trouba but will not part with Larkin who like Trouba is a local kid and probably their next captain. Blake wheeler needs a new deal and at age 33 I’m terrified to over pay him for it. Should we consider a Trouba for Mantha deal? Maybe Detroit adds something ? Mantha is a RW and in my opinion is underrated right now!! Could be an awesome wheeler replacement down the road at a lesser cost.
Again, like always, let me reiterate, I want Trouba signed here long term!!! Just spit balling alternatives. To me it’s more important to Maximize value in a trade rather than focus on filling the need on RD.
Filling he need on RD can be done with another trade, we do have 17 left wingers

Let me say this, no matter where they sign or for how much, Myers will be severely more over paid on his next deal compared to what Trouba will sign for whenever or wherever he signs a long term deal.
- Ross77

That is serious speculation. Say Meyers takes a nice 4 yr 4M AAV. That would be a good signing. Trouba, who produced a whopping 3 goals in yet another injury riddled season gets 8 years at 8.5M per. Both players are good, Trouba being better for sure. Hate Trouba's attitude and want to see Chevy win a lobsided trade with the kid. You are only as good as your contract, and i feel Trouba will fail to meet everyone's expectations.

That is serious speculation. Say Meyers takes a nice 4 yr 4M AAV. That would be a good signing. Trouba, who produced a whopping 3 goals in yet another injury riddled season gets 8 years at 8.5M per. Both players are good, Trouba being better for sure. Hate Trouba's attitude and want to see Chevy win a lobsided trade with the kid. You are only as good as your contract, and i feel Trouba will fail to meet everyone's expectations.
- bikeguy99

Do you honestly think Myers will sign for 4 million?

That is serious speculation. Say Meyers takes a nice 4 yr 4M AAV. That would be a good signing. Trouba, who produced a whopping 3 goals in yet another injury riddled season gets 8 years at 8.5M per. Both players are good, Trouba being better for sure. Hate Trouba's attitude and want to see Chevy win a lobsided trade with the kid. You are only as good as your contract, and i feel Trouba will fail to meet everyone's expectations.
- bikeguy99

Myers would be around $5MM AAV . Trouba $8.5MM ? ...are you insane. His ask was $7 MM. Suter just signed for $5.5 MM. Dumba for $6MM. Trouba would not get too much more than that if any.

Ship Trouba off for some decent assets after this season. The Jets did not suffer at all when he was out of the lineup last season. We have the depth.

Myers would be around $5MM AAV . Trouba $8.5MM ? ...are you insane. His ask was $7 MM. Suter just signed for $5.5 MM. Dumba for $6MM. Trouba would not get too much more than that if any.

Ship Trouba off for some decent assets after this season. The Jets did not suffer at all when he was out of the lineup last season. We have the depth.
- jetsnation

??......

Myers would be around $5MM AAV . Trouba $8.5MM ? ...are you insane. His ask was $7 MM. Suter just signed for $5.5 MM. Dumba for $6MM. Trouba would not get too much more than that if any.

Ship Trouba off for some decent assets after this season. The Jets did not suffer at all when he was out of the lineup last season. We have the depth.
- jetsnation

Yesterday Zucker signed for 5x5.5m, Suter is long term at about 7.5m/ until 2024/25

??......
- liverpoolnhl

Suter ?

Suter ?
- bennythehat

what jetsnation had to say was mostly correct. Trouba's next contract will depend on term and how many UFA years the contract reaches into. the next 3-4 years should be around the 6m. Long term will be more like 7-8m. Trouba has shown he is willing to bet on himself by signing for shorter terms. That kind of competitiveness is good for a hockey player, bad for negotiating against and hard on team... (but hard on team is not to be overstated, these guys are pros)

Yesterday Zucker signed for 5x5.5m, Suter is long term at about 7.5m/ until 2024/25
- 2.0

Sorry my bad. I read Zucker the other day but for some reason, my brain confused it with Suter today....lol. Dohhhhh ! Would have been a great deal for Minny on Suter though.

My point was that there is no way in hell Trouba ever gets anywhere near $8.5. Anything above $7MM AAV is stretching it.

Muskwa - I've lived through losing a team already ... I tend to side with management these days ... and they seem to be doing a bang-up job
.
PREDICTION: in 2 yrs time, the Scheifs contract will be regarded as the signing of the century !
.
But my question remains - how is Trouba 1 yr contract bad for Jets ?
- CorydonKeith

Good question - it has kept me stewing for a couple days. Jets fans just want to make sure we keep all the best players forever, and we want the players to like us.

The problem with one year is that it is not 7 years of security for Jets blue line. It means fans will have to learn to trust and depend on someone other than Trouba after next year.

Myers would be around $5MM AAV . Trouba $8.5MM ? ...are you insane. His ask was $7 MM. Suter just signed for $5.5 MM. Dumba for $6MM. Trouba would not get too much more than that if any.

Ship Trouba off for some decent assets after this season. The Jets did not suffer at all when he was out of the lineup last season. We have the depth.
- jetsnation

Yes 8.5 is too much for Trouba but I’d still rather him at that than Myers at 5!!

Yes 8.5 is too much for Trouba but I’d still rather him at that than Myers at 5!!
- Ross77

That's actually the paradox right there.


Trouba . $7.0 MM + vs Myers $5 = Myers
Trouba $6.25 or less vs Myers $5MM = Trouba
Trouba $6.25 MM to 7MM vs Myers $5MM = Grey area

Big Trouba fans or big Myers fans will debate the ranges slightly but I would bet when it comes to Chevy this is where his mindset is, especially with the cap in mind.

That's actually the paradox right there.


Trouba . $7.0 MM + vs Myers $5 = Myers
Trouba $6.25 or less vs Myers $5MM = Trouba
Trouba $6.25 MM to 7MM vs Myers $5MM = Grey area

Big Trouba fans or big Myers fans will debate the ranges slightly but I would bet when it comes to Chevy this is where his mindset is, especially with the cap in mind.
- jetsnation

Trouba 8 mil vrs Myers 5 mil = Trouba (by a landslide)
Myers 5 mil vrs Poolman 800k = Poolman (by a landslide)
Myers 4 mil vrs Morrow 1 million = close call but I’d probably take the cap savings with Morrow.
These are my opinions .

If (so many if's) Trouba's decisions are leading him away from a long term future with the Jets then in a strange way Trouba may be making Chevy's job easier.

Next summer something has to give for cap space and there has been a lot of speculation about Myers, Perreault, Little and others being able to fit under the cap.

If this is the future then Chevy will have a head start on planning for the right side d going forward and with a little more cap space to work with.

If (so many if's) Trouba's decisions are leading him away from a long term future with the Jets then in a strange way Trouba may be making Chevy's job easier.

Next summer something has to give for cap space and there has been a lot of speculation about Myers, Perreault, Little and others being able to fit under the cap.

If this is the future then Chevy will have a head start on planning for the right side d going forward and with a little more cap space to work with.
- 2.0

Next year is not nearly as scary as many are thinking or saying.

Firstly the cap will likely rise by about $2.5 MM per year.

Secondly, the Wheeler bump if signed might only be an extra $2MM .The cap hike makes his bump disappear.

Thirdly, Laine was already getting bonuses which will disappear. His bump might be $5 to $6 MM max over his current salary plus bonus.

Also, Connor and Roslovic can be bridged until Kulikov and Perreault disappear. Meanwhile cheaper talent such as Vesalainen, Appleton, Niku, and Poolman will be replacing some more expensive salaries.

By my calculations, we should be fine if we just lose either Trouba or Myers off the cap next year. We also have some cushion this year that may play forward.

Myers would be around $5MM AAV . Trouba $8.5MM ? ...are you insane. His ask was $7 MM. Suter just signed for $5.5 MM. Dumba for $6MM. Trouba would not get too much more than that if any.

Ship Trouba off for some decent assets after this season. The Jets did not suffer at all when he was out of the lineup last season. We have the depth.
- jetsnation

Ya I agree that Meyers being in the neighbourhood of 5M AAV on his extension is reasonable. And just wait, Trouba will be asking north of 8M after this season. He will get more TOI, and will only add to his pretty weak career high 32 points. If his ask was 7M after this season, I am sure he will come up with another bogus number. Don't know why people are so worried about losing him. He is over valued and Chev will win this trade.

Ya I agree that Meyers being in the neighbourhood of 5M AAV on his extension is reasonable. And just wait, Trouba will be asking north of 8M after this season. He will get more TOI, and will only add to his pretty weak career high 32 points. If his ask was 7M after this season, I am sure he will come up with another bogus number. Don't know why people are so worried about losing him. He is over valued and Chev will win this trade.
- bikeguy99

Why would anyone want to pay a third pair D five million? That seems like a horrible idea. If Myers is in your top 4 you are probably not a playoff team or at best a first round exit kind of team.
And remember Trouba had more 5v5 points than Myers while playing in 25 less games!!! That’s huge

Why would anyone want to pay a third pair D five million? That seems like a horrible idea. If Myers is in your top 4 you are probably not a playoff team or at best a first round exit kind of team.
And remember Trouba had more 5v5 points than Myers while playing in 25 less games!!! That’s huge
- Ross77

Myers is a hybrid defenseman so anyone calling him a third pair dman is somewhat incorrect. He averaged the highest TOI of any Jet not named Byfulglien.

Myers , Trouba , and Morrissey's TOI 5 vs 5 were all very close ( 16.5 to 17.5 Min each) . Additionally, Myers plays about 5 minutes a game on specialty teams . He excels both on the PP and PK where he is on the number two PP unit and #1 PK unit.

He is on the PP because he has proven to be much better than Trouba in that role. Harder shot from the point and better reach on keeping the puck in. Trouba for some reason seems to make a lot of bad choices pinching on the PP which may be one of the key reasons he does not get that role.

Bottom line is tons of teams would love to have Myers all day long at $5 MM per season. He and Trouba are both very valuable members of the Jets but the numbers game and salary cap situation will most likely result in a loss of one of the two. Right now it's Trouba that is making that choice quite easy for Chevy.

Myers is a hybrid defenseman so anyone calling him a third pair dman is somewhat incorrect. He averaged the highest TOI of any Jet not named Byfulglien.

Myers , Trouba , and Morrissey's TOI 5 vs 5 were all very close ( 16.5 to 17.5 Min each) . Additionally, Myers plays about 5 minutes a game on specialty teams . He excels both on the PP and PK where he is on the number two PP unit and #1 PK unit.

He is on the PP because he has proven to be much better than Trouba in that role. Harder shot from the point and better reach on keeping the puck in. Trouba for some reason seems to make a lot of bad choices pinching on the PP which may be one of the key reasons he does not get that role.

Bottom line is tons of teams would love to have Myers all day long at $5 MM per season. He and Trouba are both very valuable members of the Jets but the numbers game and salary cap situation will most likely result in a loss of one of the two. Right now it's Trouba that is making that choice quite easy for Chevy.
- jetsnation

Ok so let’s call him a third pair D who can play special teams. Either way, I don’t care what other teams would pay him, let them make that mistake but I’d never be on board paying him 5 per and I stand by it would be a horrible idea.
Like I’ve said, we are better off over 💰 paying the better D (Trouba) then over paying the crappier one (Myers). If we have to trade Trouba fine, but don’t make another mistake by re signing Myers. The cap dollars would be better spent on resigning our forwards and Finder a cheaper D who plays well in our end, he doesn’t put up points, we have forwards for that. We won’t exactly miss Myers on PP. lots of options.

Ok so let’s call him a third pair D who can play special teams. Either way, I don’t care what other teams would pay him, let them make that mistake but I’d never be on board paying him 5 per and I stand by it would be a horrible idea.
Like I’ve said, we are better off over 💰 paying the better D (Trouba) then over paying the crappier one (Myers). If we have to trade Trouba fine, but don’t make another mistake by re signing Myers. The cap dollars would be better spent on resigning our forwards and Finder a cheaper D who plays well in our end, he doesn’t put up points, we have forwards for that. We won’t exactly miss Myers on PP. lots of options.
- Ross77

So be it, but I don't like your odds with regards to your wishes coming true. I see it playing out in January. If Trouba doesn't sign a long-term deal within a month of when he is able to extend ( Jan) then Chevy will likely extend Myers instead of losing Myers for nothing. Trouba will likely be traded at the end of the season because once Myers is extended the choice has been made.

If Trouba genuinely wants to stay with the Jets, he will be well aware of how this will play out. The pressure will be on him to extend in January...or else.

I'll happily take Myers at the lower cap. When he plays 5 vs 5 he generally has to play a stay at home role to cover for guys like Chariot. Trouba has Morrissey backing him up so is able to take way more chances up ice. It's not a fair comparison. Put Trouba with Chariot or Poolman , and Myers with Morrissey and watch the difference.

My bottom line is that a Morrissey - Myers pairing at a lower overall cap will be just as good and we still will have a guy that's good on the PK and PP. Paying Trouba $7 MM + is just silly with such tight cap. space. Makes no sense to me at all.

Why would anyone want to pay a third pair D five million? That seems like a horrible idea. If Myers is in your top 4 you are probably not a playoff team or at best a first round exit kind of team.
And remember Trouba had more 5v5 points than Myers while playing in 25 less games!!! That’s huge
- Ross77

When has Meyers played bottom pairing minutes?????? Since his rookie season he has been in the 20's TOI every season. I think he has been a very servicable D man and his 5.5M contract was no over payment. The Jets utilized Meyers with success. Trouba is an offensive D, Meyers is often used as a shutdown (who randomly gets pp time???) in 5v5 machups. That being said, Trouba has a career high 32 points!!! So lets not get into a big debate over who has more pennies in their pocket. Neither have produced big offense. I guess Meyers next contract will do all the talking so lets just wait that out.

When has Meyers played bottom pairing minutes?????? Since his rookie season he has been in the 20's TOI every season. I think he has been a very servicable D man and his 5.5M contract was no over payment. The Jets utilized Meyers with success. Trouba is an offensive D, Meyers is often used as a shutdown (who randomly gets pp time???) in 5v5 machups. That being said, Trouba has a career high 32 points!!! So lets not get into a big debate over who has more pennies in their pocket. Neither have produced big offense. I guess Meyers next contract will do all the talking so lets just wait that out.
- bikeguy99

Trouba was our shut down last year, Myers was protected and played primarily all his 5v5 minutes vrs the other teams 3rd and 4th lines.