The point was a) too many “quality” picks thrown away and b) there are plenty of guys in the later rounds that you are interested in, don’t you think it would be better to have more of them instead of less of them, when the cost of having less of them is a fringe NHL/AHL/KHL player? If we’re not in a hurry, why hurry?
- 1970vintage

Quality of picks go beyond rounds 1 and 2. We are talking about the best 200 players in their birth year to play hockey. I for one would rather the canucks take a swing and a miss on a prospect throughout the entire draft than to pass the opportunity completely. I could not agree with you more vintsy

This is a horrible way of looking at running an organization, let alone a rebuild. Can we acknowledge that the higher the pick, the more likely they are to become NHLers? Absolutely, but its the same mindset that gillis had and look at how our prospect cupboard was left when he was gone. All picks matter. Some more than others obviously, but if we have learned anything from our past, its that acquiring picks (in ALL rounds) should always be a goal, especially for a team in our position.
- Codes1087

Vantel knew which picks will have the best careers and that he could grab the best 6 players in each draft without trading up or collecting more picks.
Vantel is, without question, the most brilliant gm know to man, living or breathing.
I must say, I compliment him quite well...

This is a horrible way of looking at running an organization, let alone a rebuild. Can we acknowledge that the higher the pick, the more likely they are to become NHLers? Absolutely, but its the same mindset that gillis had and look at how our prospect cupboard was left when he was gone. All picks matter. Some more than others obviously, but if we have learned anything from our past, its that acquiring picks (in ALL rounds) should always be a goal, especially for a team in our position.
- Codes1087

this makes no sense

this makes no sense
- Lindenis#1

Gillis traded more than just 1st and 2nd rounders......

Gillis traded more than just 1st and 2nd rounders......
- Codes1087

Yeah no kidding. To come one (frank)ing game away from winning a cup.

The biggest mistake GMs make is not pushing all in when they've got a good hand. Unless you want to be Minnesota or Columbus, get your 2 home dates in the first round but never seriously contend.

This is a horrible way of looking at running an organization, let alone a rebuild. Can we acknowledge that the higher the pick, the more likely they are to become NHLers? Absolutely, but its the same mindset that gillis had and look at how our prospect cupboard was left when he was gone. All picks matter. Some more than others obviously, but if we have learned anything from our past, its that acquiring picks (in ALL rounds) should always be a goal, especially for a team in our position.
- Codes1087

I don’t value all rounds being important.
Top 2 rounds the more picks the better.
3rd is interesting & where skilled scouts pay off.

I’m all about drafting C’s with high potential. I like us taking Madden
D is always needed & hardest to judge.

Quality picks are those that actually make an NHL impact. Chances are slim beyond the 2nd round. Of course players are found later on but i don’t bet in it. Thats why i like JB & his scouts doing their thing. This lets have tons of picks like the Flyers doesn’t excite me. Its who we get that does. Ppl don’t consider the fact there is not enough opportunity to go around for all these picks.

I’m all about drafting C’s with high potential. I like us taking Madden
D is always needed & hardest to judge.

Quality picks are those that actually make an NHL impact. Chances are slim beyond the 2nd round. Of course players are found later on but i don’t bet in it. Thats why i like JB & his scouts doing their thing. This lets have tons of picks like the Flyers doesn’t excite me. Its who we get that does. Ppl don’t consider the fact there is not enough opportunity to go around for all these picks.
- Nighthawk

Why isn’t there opportunity? If a young player proves they deserve to be on the team they will simply trade or waive an older one. It’s just that easy.

Why isn’t there opportunity? If a young player proves they deserve to be on the team they will simply trade or waive an older one. It’s just that easy.
- 1970vintage

Where do they prove it?
NCAA? CHL? AHL? SHL? KHL?
Only so many spots in the pros.

Where do they prove it?
NCAA? CHL? AHL? SHL? KHL?
Only so many spots in the pros.
- Nighthawk

I dislike beagle. But he went ncaa, echl, ahl, nhl. He literally proved it in 3 leagues before making the NHL. Burrows the same. If we are talking drafted players, jonathan quick is an example of proving it from echl to ahl to nhl.

I dislike beagle. But he went ncaa, echl, ahl, nhl. He literally proved it in 3 leagues before making the NHL. Burrows the same. If we are talking drafted players, jonathan quick is an example of proving it from echl to ahl to nhl.
- Codes1087

Thats all fine but they are the exceptions. Players don’t have forever to prove themselves. Here today gone tomorrow if new players come in. Goalies are different.

50 contracts its called turnover

Thats all fine but they are the exceptions. Players don’t have forever to prove themselves. Here today gone tomorrow if new players come in. Goalies are different.

50 contracts its called turnover
- Nighthawk

So you say you dont value all round picks outside 1 and 2, with the exception that you think round 3 is interesting. You literally mention finding gems in later rounds (gaudette, rathbone, jasek, palmu, forsling, etc) and now when we bring up a counter for opportunity with examples, you are saying its a 50 limit contract issue being a contributing factor in why picks outside the top 3 rounds arent important? Im just trying to understand your point here

So you say you dont value all round picks outside 1 and 2, with the exception that you think round 3 is interesting. You literally mention finding gems in later rounds (gaudette, rathbone, jasek, palmu, forsling, etc) and now when we bring up a counter for opportunity with examples, you are saying its a 50 limit contract issue being a contributing factor in why picks outside the top 3 rounds arent important? Im just trying to understand your point here
- Codes1087

Quality = elite talent
Quantity = B & C prospects

Round 1 elite talent is expected
Round 2 can find hidden elite talent that develops later on. B prospect
Round 3 players have holes in their game
Round 4-7 are projects or late bloomers more likely to never play in the NHL or even in the AHL. Overlooked potential.

YES players have been found in late rounds.
NO more picks guarantees anything
YES more high round picks are good

Odds & Probability are not one & the same

There is like 140000 Fleury-esque busts for the one that makes it through.

If two of those players turned into anything above space filler it would be remarkable.

Go pick a random Team Canada from the WJC from like anywhere from the last 5-15 years. Those are 20ish of the best regarded prospects breathing at that point in time. For all that pedigree and draft position, like 3-5 guys a team hit their ceiling, 10 become various degrees of whatever to useful, then the rest are washouts and pure busts.
- Lindenis#1

Did you miss where i said "always maintain hope"?

Did you miss where i said "always maintain hope"?
- Reubenkincade

The depressed side of him doesn't recognize words like "hope"

So it seems some "keyboard warriors" are searching every tweet ever made that has offended someone by MLB players. 3 players in the past week have been retweeted, some from 10 years ago resurfacing.

This is a horrible way of looking at running an organization, let alone a rebuild. Can we acknowledge that the higher the pick, the more likely they are to become NHLers? Absolutely, but its the same mindset that gillis had and look at how our prospect cupboard was left when he was gone. All picks matter. Some more than others obviously, but if we have learned anything from our past, its that acquiring picks (in ALL rounds) should always be a goal, especially for a team in our position.
- Codes1087

At least Gillis was frittering away picks as we chased a goal at the time.

Steve Simmons is the biggest pieces of poop in all hockey media since Al Strachan. He just likes to start poop. Reminds me of that Whiskey_Tango Troll, to be honest.
- HonkyTonkMan

Eastern media just needed something to deflect the Habs sh!t show and the fact that Matthews and Babcock can't stand each other. The Aquilini's are masters at doing stupid sh!t at the wrong time for the club.

At least Gillis was frittering away picks as we chased a goal at the time.
- golfingsince

It made more sense to lose picks when the team was dominant than when we werent and were still losing them. I for one think that even successful teams should be always looking to acquire more picks when possible.

So it seems some "keyboard warriors" are searching every tweet ever made that has offended someone by MLB players. 3 players in the past week have been retweeted, some from 10 years ago resurfacing.
- manvanfan

What are the nature of the retweets? I know that one guy was an idiot and was openly racist/homophobic and said some awful things so i really dont feel bad for him (the pitcher from Milwaukee). Theres being young and nieve and than there is being a complete poophead lol.

What are the nature of the retweets? I know that one guy was an idiot and was openly racist/homophobic and said some awful things so i really dont feel bad for him (the pitcher from Milwaukee). Theres being young and nieve and than there is being a complete poophead lol.
- Codes1087

Your the same age as me. You going to tell me you've been perfect in your entire life?

Your the same age as me. You going to tell me you've been perfect in your entire life?
- manvanfan

Wait until Lefty gets too see this, he will tear you a new butthole.lol

Your the same age as me. You going to tell me you've been perfect in your entire life?
- manvanfan

My dad was a businessman, and made sure we always had access to computers and the internet and technology and whatever. He also said, the internet is "forever", so always be mindful of whatever you write or say cause it can always come back to haunt you. So to answer your question, yes, i have not ever been a racist/homophobic/intolerant bumhole on the internet lol

And to further prove my point. I am a half asian man with a gay sibling. I am as tolerant/PC as they come without being a snowflake.

My dad was a businessman, and made sure we always had access to computers and the internet and technology and whatever. He also said, the internet is "forever", so always be mindful of whatever you write or say cause it can always come back to haunt you. So to answer your question, yes, i have not ever been a racist/homophobic/intolerant bumhole on the internet lol
- Codes1087

So it's okay to be racist/homophobic/intolerant bumhole as long as it's not on the internet?

So it's okay to be racist/homophobic/intolerant bumhole as long as it's not on the internet?
- manvanfan

Its never ok to be any of those imo. But we are talking about things resurfacing 10 years later that is in writing are we not?

And please see my edit on the post above. I am as tolerant of other people as they come. I advocate on things that most people roll their eyes on. Its never ok to be intolerant but thats just my opinion