Drafting has improved league wide. The days of Datsyuk & Zetterberg become more rare. Bure is a poor example if you know the full story. The Wings are back to a bottom feeder. Good teams don’t draft throughout all rounds. Good teams draft wisely & develop.
- Nighthawk

Ok....

Drafting has improved league wide. The days of Datsyuk & Zetterberg become more rare. Bure is a poor example if you know the full story. The Wings are back to a bottom feeder. Good teams don’t draft throughout all rounds. Good teams draft wisely & develop.
- Nighthawk

Toronto and Philly have had 42 picks in the same amount of time JB has had 34.

Those two teams both have 5 players play NHL games. Van has 7.

Philly has signed 20 of their picks. Toronto 13. Van 12.

Vans prospect pool is sandwiched right in the middle of them according to dobber prospects.

Drafting has improved league wide. The days of Datsyuk & Zetterberg become more rare. Bure is a poor example if you know the full story. The Wings are back to a bottom feeder. Good teams don’t draft throughout all rounds. Good teams draft wisely & develop.
- Nighthawk

Last year my company asked me to be a "health and safety" person at work. I've taken 6 "workshops" now on basically this kind of stuff. How other employees are to treat each other. At no point in any of the workshops did they say it's "different" or "ok" to call someone out on the actions publicly, to shame them.

My wife who works in mental health with people of all ages. Says that it's not right and no where have she ever been taught that it is appropriate either.
- manvanfan

Personally I'm not a fan of public shaming, I do not really have anything to do with social media other than reading articles about things that interest me.

Although if someone is stupid enough to post derogatory, hateful, racist comments in a public forum then no one should be surprised that they become singled out.

Personally I'm not a fan of public shaming, I do not really have anything to do with social media other than reading articles about things that interest me.

Although if someone is stupid enough to post derogatory, hateful, racist comments in a public forum then no one should be surprised that they become singled out.
- Makita

^this

Toronto and Philly have had 42 picks in the same amount of time JB has had 34.

Those two teams both have 5 players play NHL games. Van has 7.

Philly has signed 20 of their picks. Toronto 13. Van 12.

Vans prospect pool is sandwiched right in the middle of them according to dobber prospects.
- manvanfan

Proves how well a team drafts is better than more darts. Now those who want more picks ought to like JB at the helm along with his scout team. Cue Lefty & anyone trading out players.

One team won the lotto & the other won 2oa

Proves how well a team drafts is better than more darts. Now those who want more picks ought to like JB at the helm along with his scout team. Cue Lefty & anyone trading out players.
- Nighthawk

You know these go hand in hand right. More picks = more chance of success. Philly signing more players doesnt show they are way ahead, van could have signed labate and cassels and subban and cedarholm and stewart too, but instead they were able to identify their talent and cut their loses. A good team is also able to walk away from players who they dont see a future with.

Personally I'm not a fan of public shaming, I do not really have anything to do with social media other than reading articles about things that interest me.

Although if someone is stupid enough to post derogatory, hateful, racist comments in a public forum then no one should be surprised that they become singled out.
- Makita

In here there was a problem last year where you had to let us know about the CoC and it will be enforced. I don't remember you calling people out and shaming them.

It doesn't surprise me that someone did it.

A direct message to him not public and asking him to take down the tweets and put up his own apology would have been fine.

Athletes are held to a higher standard because they are in the public spotlight. Doesn't mean they have been perfect throughout their lives. Mistakes happen and you learn from them.

In here there was a problem last year where you had to let us know about the CoC and it will be enforced. I don't remember you calling people out and shaming them.

It doesn't surprise me that someone did it.

A direct message to him not public and asking him to take down the tweets and put up his own apology would have been fine.

Athletes are held to a higher standard because they are in the public spotlight. Doesn't mean they have been perfect throughout their lives. Mistakes happen and you learn from them.
- manvanfan

We should just agree to disagree. This is like the 4th page of going back and forth on this. We all clearly have our own opinions

Proves how well a team drafts is better than more darts. Now those who want more picks ought to like JB at the helm along with his scout team. Cue Lefty & anyone trading out players.

One team won the lotto & the other won 2oa
- Nighthawk

Prospect pools in those grades don't include graduated players.

You know these go hand in hand right. More picks = more chance of success. Philly signing more players doesnt show they are way ahead, van could have signed labate and cassels and subban and cedarholm and stewart too, but instead they were able to identify their talent and cut their loses. A good team is also able to walk away from players who they dont see a future with.
- Codes1087

More picks is more chances of picking those players in that draft that might make the NHL. All teams walk away from many players bcus most players drafted never were going to make it. 721 make it.

Question is how many make the NHL & where were they picked? Waste of time & resources thinking having multiple late round picks dreaming even 1 makes an impact.

More picks is more chances of picking those players in that draft that might make the NHL. All teams walk away from many players bcus most players drafted never were going to make it. 721 make it.

Question is how many make the NHL & where were they picked? Waste of time & resources thinking having multiple late round picks dreaming even 1 makes an impact.
- Nighthawk

Because if you could turn an old pencil into a scratch and win, what have you got to lose?

Prospect pools in those grades don't include graduated players.
- Lindenis#1

This was the base points for each team. In addition, we included roster players 21-years-old and under on the NHL roster as bonus players. For example, Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid provided 10 bonus points. The other criteria was we included other notable prospects beyond the top 10. So teams like Pittsburgh and Washington that have poor depth did not receive an bonus points for depth, but teams such as Philadelphia and Arizona etc. did.

The first paragraph from Dobber's organizational prospect rankings.

More picks is more chances of picking those players in that draft that might make the NHL. All teams walk away from many players bcus most players drafted never were going to make it. 721 make it.

Question is how many make the NHL & where were they picked? Waste of time & resources thinking having multiple late round picks dreaming even 1 makes an impact.
- Nighthawk

Alright nighthawk. You are entitled to your opinion and i acknowledge it.

Because if you could turn an old pencil into a scratch and win, what have you got to lose?
- Lindenis#1

Nothing to lose but at what cost?
Btw if we are jettisoning unwanted scraps for picks i’m all for it. My point is i prefer picks in the 1st to 3rd rounds. Also i don’t mind deals like trade our 6th for 2-6ths. Furthermore trading up using multiple picks i like when a target is available.

Nothing to lose but at what cost?
Btw if we are jettisoning unwanted scraps for picks i’m all for it. My point is i prefer picks in the 1st to 3rd rounds. Also i don’t mind deals like trade our 6th for 2-6ths. Furthermore trading up using multiple picks i like when a target is available.
- Nighthawk

Adam gaudette (5th) was from raphael diaz to NYR
And no one is saying they value picks made in rounds 4 and beyond more than they value picks in rounds 1 through 3. We are simply arguing that your percentage for impactful players only goes up when you draft more vs quality > quantity which seems to be your point

Nothing to lose but at what cost?
Btw if we are jettisoning unwanted scraps for picks i’m all for it. My point is i prefer picks in the 1st to 3rd rounds. Also i don’t mind deals like trade our 6th for 2-6ths. Furthermore trading up using multiple picks i like when a target is available.
- Nighthawk

Of course everyone prefers higher picks, what these posters are saying is that it's better to have an extra 4th and 5th in a draft instead of not having any extra picks at all.

The odds you get a NHL player out of those picks is very low, but it's still higher than not having a pick in the 4th round at all.

There's also instances where the team really likes 2-3 prospects in a certain round but has to pick 1 out of the group, if you have an extra pick or 2 then you may end up getting to draft 2 or even all 3 of those guys.


Teams in the Canucks position should be hoarding picks, doesn't matter what round.

This is hockey management 101, common sense.

Of course everyone prefers higher picks, what these posters are saying is that it's better to have an extra 4th and 5th in a draft instead of not having any extra picks at all.

The odds you get a NHL player out of those picks is very low, but it's still higher than not having a pick in the 4th round at all.


Teams in the Canucks position should be hoarding picks, doesn't matter what round.
- Nucker101

^this.

I guess my take on drafting is not much separates all the teams. Some teams are just simply horrible or make strange picks.

What we lack is elite talent & D.
EP BB & Hughes are a good start.
Demko looks to be important.
OJ most likely top 4 but we hope for more.
Bo is a very key player & we can add many B prospects to it all. Some might bust out & hopefully 2-3 break out. AG Dahlèn being the latter. Any more than that is a huge bonus.

Looking ahead & i give in to multiple picks if acquired in savvy deals i’m always for that. Now from that i want C & D risks taken or picks packaged to move up if a player is pegged. Shear numbers of picks is not enough on its own IMO. I do have a lot of faith in the JB’s to draft well. Trading & asset management many here have a bone to pick with & they have good grounds. I’d like to believe we are past that & moving ahead much better. This season is an acid test for TG & all of the management now in place. The following season will be the defining point in this rebuild & who survives as in JB. Post Sedin era has lots of work to do & its not hopeless but filled with many apprehensions with D being the glaring problem. In goal we are not confident. The cap is still the single biggest factor working in our favour & should continue to be a priority & be a weapon.

Looking ahead to next season my wish starts with TG making the biggest case for hope. Players like JV Goldy Hutton Stecher are at the point in their careers to make an impact or changes made. TG needs to show he can develop those players into everday NHLers who impact games. Our vets i am quite comfortabke with but they need support & no reason they don’t get it.

Adam gaudette (5th) was from raphael diaz to NYR
And no one is saying they value picks made in rounds 4 and beyond more than they value picks in rounds 1 through 3. We are simply arguing that your percentage for impactful players only goes up when you draft more vs quality > quantity which seems to be your point
- Codes1087

I love trades bro. Trading out players for picks that we see no future for i luv. My argument is solely more picks as a stand alone statement is incomplete.

Read following posts. Idgaf about ALL picks.
I want high picks 1st 2nds 3rds.
- Nighthawk

Did you mean this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkHanF4v1w

Ok....
- Codes1087

Of course everyone prefers higher picks, what these posters are saying is that it's better to have an extra 4th and 5th in a draft instead of not having any extra picks at all.

The odds you get a NHL player out of those picks is very low, but it's still higher than not having a pick in the 4th round at all.

There's also instances where the team really likes 2-3 prospects in a certain round but has to pick 1 out of the group, if you have an extra pick or 2 then you may end up getting to draft 2 or even all 3 of those guys.


Teams in the Canucks position should be hoarding picks, doesn't matter what round.

This is hockey management 101, common sense.
- Nucker101

The way you word it i do agree.
My perspective has much behind it when ppl want more picks but don’t explain how they are gotten or a hockey trade is also better. Eg Burrows for Dahlen. Too much focus on past years muddies the picture. Garnering more picks nowadays is getting harder & harder to do. Simply making trades has become nearly non-existent.

So can we try to be proactive given our current contracts & discuss who is traded for more picks?

Everyone knows me to make up line-ups & propose trades.

Its my style & i know some are shooting for the moon but i’m in JB’s camp that its more than drafting to build a team. Trading being what i am getting at. UFA’s idk if i ever liked the idea but i do like the big fish dreaming signings. LE didn’t fit that bill. EK is on my radar. Yes i dream but cannot help it 😂😂

Did you mean this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkHanF4v1w
- Marwood

Maybe idk 😂😂
Phone lags on youtube atm