AdB had 28 goals in his rookie season - but he still needs to learn to produce more consistently - he had streaks of 9 games, 8 games, and 14 games without a goal. He has yet to learn how to put himself in position to break a slump (which even the best scorers go through).

When he does, and with more pro experience in general, he could be approaching 40 goals per year, point per game total production.

Are we sure we should be moving that kind of potential for someone like Trouba?
- StLBravesFan

Fair question! Given where the Hawks are in their "movement", I would have to agree with you but normal circumstances, say like 2-3 years ago, I would. Again, my rationale is assuming everything is equal go with the D man, especially right handed where good ones are hard to come by. I was just responding to a poster who brought this trade proposal up.

CC's job isn't to entertain people. He's not a stage performer.
- BALUCHA

He entertained us here quite nicely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BhcSw2YRw0

Mr. Rico, here you go - longest one I've seen
https://twitter.com/NBCSB...tatus/1022941598462689280

BTW - Powers has his ranking of all prospects up https://twitter.com/BySco...tatus/1023920078012784640
- pdx2ord

The part Crow got emotional about was when he was asked if he was worried, and was/is it scary for you, about his long term health during this process and he seemed emotional answering " a little bit, I'm excited to be back." The interview was then cut off.

The Crawford stuff is some of the most perplexing Chicago sports situations of recent years.

Why are there so many conflicting reports? No one has any clue if he's actually skating/working out or not. Everything is bizarrely muddled and kept in a heavy gray cloud.

Why?

The Crawford stuff is some of the most perplexing Chicago sports situations of recent years.

Why are there so many conflicting reports? No one has any clue if he's actually skating/working out or not. Everything is bizarrely muddled and kept in a heavy gray cloud.

Why?
- Hank3Henshaw

His right to privacy about his health, and rightly so. From this point, if it comes out of his mouth, I'll believe it. Otherwise, I'll assume it is spin to protect a revenue stream and trade market leverage.

His right to privacy about his health, and rightly so. From this point, if it comes out of his mouth, I'll believe it. Otherwise, I'll assume it is spin to protect a revenue stream and trade market leverage.
- pdx2ord

Totally down with the right to health privacy, but I think the organ-I-zation's handling and being a bit more upfront with things - like if he's practicing or not - has been kind of disappointing to me.

The conflicting reports of him working out and being ready, or not working out and not being ready, have been very weird in my opinion. Either the dude is working towards coming back, or he's not. The mystery that has been built up by the front office, coaching staff, Crawford, etc., I know is part of pro sports and so forth, leaves me frustrated.

Totally down with the right to health privacy, but I think the organ-I-zation's handling and being a bit more upfront with things - like if he's practicing or not - has been kind of disappointing to me.

The conflicting reports of him working out and being ready, or not working out and not being ready, have been very weird in my opinion. Either the dude is working towards coming back, or he's not. The mystery that has been built up by the front office, coaching staff, Crawford, etc., I know is part of pro sports and so forth, leaves me frustrated.
- Hank3Henshaw

Me, too, hence my decision to believe only Corey going forward.

This FO doesn't handle crises well.

The Crawford stuff is some of the most perplexing Chicago sports situations of recent years.

Why are there so many conflicting reports? No one has any clue if he's actually skating/working out or not. Everything is bizarrely muddled and kept in a heavy gray cloud.

Why?
- Hank3Henshaw

He has only skated once since DEC and that did not go well. From the under tones I feel like the hawks need to plan on life without Corey moving forward. assuming that its something so bad that he has hardly worked out in 8 months. You are not going to just jump back after a year off in your Mid 30's and go 100%. IE even if he gets the go ahead to start skating I really question if he would ever be able to get back to a NHL level goalie. have Seabs or Keith take a year off from working out at this stage and to think they could ever get back to where they were before is pretty unrealistic.

Me, too, hence my decision to believe only Corey going forward.

This FO doesn't handle crises well.
- pdx2ord

Believe your eyes - when training camp starts, when pre-season games start, when the regular season starts.

If Crawford is out there, playing well - ok, believe what you see.

If he's not out there - ok, believe what you see.

If they go after another goalie before camp - ok, believe what you see.

If he's put on LTIR....

We need some patience here - look at the activity, not the spin.

Believe your eyes - when training camp starts, when pre-season games start, when the regular season starts.

If Crawford is out there, playing well - ok, believe what you see.

If he's not out there - ok, believe what you see.

If they go after another goalie before camp - ok, believe what you see.

If he's put on LTIR....

We need some patience here - look at the activity, not the spin.
- StLBravesFan

and, yes, you're right. . .actions not words are all that matter now

Believe your eyes - when training camp starts, when pre-season games start, when the regular season starts.

If Crawford is out there, playing well - ok, believe what you see.

If he's not out there - ok, believe what you see.

If they go after another goalie before camp - ok, believe what you see.

If he's put on LTIR....

We need some patience here - look at the activity, not the spin.
- StLBravesFan

But the problem is, no one really knows what the activity is. It's seems to be conflicting report after conflicting report for multiple months now.

Me, too, hence my decision to believe only Corey going forward.

This FO doesn't handle crises well.
- pdx2ord

Agreed.

Whole-heartedly agree on Kreider but at what cost? Power forward with dead head red speed, especially outside going to the net hard. While not a proven finisher he can be put in a Kaner's line to provide some girth, edge, and protection. His career has been inconsistent to say the least, coming out of either BU or BC. The first year with the Rangers he was an absolute beast, getting the opponent's and league's attention but never have lived up to it since. Maybe he needs a change of scenery and also I am not quite sure if he got along with Vigneault.
- D2D

Indeed. Very much like Saad but more physical, maybe more compete and probably faster. He'd be the guy to dig out pucks for Kaner and Schmaltz.

And yes some think his inability to reach his perceived ceiling falls on Vigneault.

Cost? Wouldn't be cheap and if the Hawks are gonna give up anything significant I'd rather see them do so for a 2C moving Schmaltz to wing. But at the same time acquiring a top 6 power player at any position is a good thing IMO.

But the problem is, no one really knows what the activity is. It's seems to be conflicting report after conflicting report for multiple months now.
- Hank3Henshaw

But we'll see it within nine weeks.

They'll sign another goalie or not.

They'll have Crawford on the ice for camp and preseason games or not.

They have him playing on October 2 or not.

He'll be on LTIR or not.

Those are fairly definitive activities, I would think - better than Q saying this and Stan saying that and McD saying something no one understands - even Crow saying something.

Believe your eyes - when training camp starts, when pre-season games start, when the regular season starts.

If Crawford is out there, playing well - ok, believe what you see.

If he's not out there - ok, believe what you see.

If they go after another goalie before camp - ok, believe what you see.

If he's put on LTIR....

We need some patience here - look at the activity, not the spin.
- StLBravesFan

Yes yes and yes. Watch what they do not what they say.... As fans we speculate, nothing wrong with that, and as a business the Hawks protect their product, and nothing wrong with that either as long as the message is not shamelessly false. .......

We all love Crawford and when you see his emotions in that interview it breaks your heart. One of the reasons all the way down to jrs I don't like to talk to and meet these players as emotion always sets in and it's easy to get attached as these people get humanized, especially kids.

But if Corey can't go next man up, period. Develop, plan, trade and find another #1 if Corey can't play hockey any longer.

CC's job isn't to entertain people. He's not a stage performer.
- BALUCHA

I'd say he is almost exactly that...stage performer. Athletes in professional sport get paid gobs of money because they entertain people.

I ask you this:
Who is the better athlete, champion, winner:
Basketball player or a swimmer?
Football player or lacrosse?
Hockey player or gymnast?

One of each of these pairs get paid a lot more than the other.
Is it because of their athletic ability? Their winning %? Their skill in their sport vs the rest of the population? No.
One gets paid a bunch more because the general population is more entertained by basketball/football/hockey than by swimming/gymnastics/lacrosse. The difference is entertainment value as they perform on their stage.

But the problem is, no one really knows what the activity is. It's seems to be conflicting report after conflicting report for multiple months now.
- Hank3Henshaw

Hank, the Hawks know what his activities are or aren't and have access to his medical records. Assuming they don't have their heads in the sand their actions concerning goalie roster spots/acquisitions will speak for them.

As an aside I won't go to sleep on Forsberg. Assuming it's him and Ward Forsberg will not be burdened with HAVING to be the #1 on an NHL roster and the pressure that brings. As a #2 he will be slotted correctly and when called upon could very well show he's has #1 ability and production.

Last yr was not the way to introduce a rookie goalie into the NHL and that was cuz the Hawks counted on Crow too much and didn't have a contigency plan should he go down with no other NHL goalies in the system.

Took me awhile to remember that I sent the entire Crawford video to a friend. Anyhow here’s the link:

https://twitter.com/nbcsb.../1022941598462689280?s=21

You still have 100 level tickets?
- 6628

Haha, no...I never have had season tickets. Its just my user name. I do go to one or two games a year...and one road trip with the guys (this year St Louis) and I do try to get really good seats. But I cannot afford season tickets. That said, I think Hockey is the best sport to view live. Such a great game to watch at the rink.

Haha, no...I never have had season tickets. Its just my user name. I do go to one or two games a year...and one road trip with the guys (this year St Louis) and I do try to get really good seats. But I cannot afford season tickets. That said, I think Hockey is the best sport to view live. Such a great game to watch at the rink.
- onehundredlevel

Well, I forked over 14+ and I don't appreciate being bullpoopted. I can't afford the whole season either, but I have enough friends that they pick up the slack. I've never made a dime off friends or family, I just want to break even. But the more they bullpoop and cover up the more the chance I eventually get stuck. And I'm not going to appreciate that. No matter what this will be my last year.

Hank, the Hawks know what his activities are or aren't and have access to his medical records. Assuming they don't have their heads in the sand their actions concerning goalie roster spots/acquisitions will speak for them.

As an aside I won't go to sleep on Forsberg. Assuming it's him and Ward Forsberg will not be burdened with HAVING to be the #1 on an NHL roster and the pressure that brings. As a #2 he will be slotted correctly and when called upon could very well show he's has #1 ability and production.

Last yr was not the way to introduce a rookie goalie into the NHL and that was cuz the Hawks counted on Crow too much and didn't have a contigency plan should he go down with no other NHL goalies in the system.
- Mr Ricochet

Exactly. Forsberg needs at least one full season in an NHL backup role, hence the signing of Ward to sub in for Crawford as the de facto starter. There had to have been some considerable foresight by management to know that Crawford would not be playing for a large portion of the next season. Having a veteran goalie in Ward on a one-year deal was a wise move, almost an insurance policy.

Forsberg wasn't going to develop much more in the AHL. He needs experience backing up in the NHL. Delia and Lankinen should be the goalies in Rockford.

Exactly. Forsberg needs at least one full season in an NHL backup role, hence the signing of Ward to sub in for Crawford as the de facto starter. There had to have been some considerable foresight by management to know that Crawford would not be playing for a large portion of the next season. Having a veteran goalie in Ward on a one-year deal was a wise move, almost an insurance policy.

Forsberg wasn't going to develop much more in the AHL. He needs experience backing up in the NHL. Delia and Lankinen should be the goalies in Rockford.
- AEL_Fox

If Crow can't go and Ward is #1 and Forsberg #2 hopefully Q will use Forsberg more then just on B to B situations, and play him in some big games to try and repair the damage he did to the kids confidence last year ..

I’m planning on no Crawford - and last place in the Central
The sooner they tear this down and start over the better.

If Crow can't go and Ward is #1 and Forsberg #2 hopefully Q will use Forsberg more then just on B to B situations, and play him in some big games to try and repair the damage he did to the kids confidence last year ..
- oldduffman

Not sure what the formula is to give a backup goalie adequate playing time but as long as that plan is strategic rather than trial by fire like it was last season.

Here's a question that might have been answered but I can't find the response.

If and when Corey gets back, can we send Forsberg down without him having to clear waivers?