He is best suited as a 3rd line center. Everyone seems to have no problem NYR giving him a 5+mill/6 yr deal ? It's not like he isn't replaceable.
What will he look like at 33?
More " pressure" on Chytil, and Andersson, and Howden? Good!!!! T
ime to put big boy pants on. Now they know that this year is their time to become mainstay centers in NYR for years to come.
Chytil and Andersson have a few years o foro hockey under their belt by next year. Howden seems to be, by many accounts NHL ready very soon.
Hayes to me is like what happened to Hagelin....good player but not worth what he had to be paid to keep him long term...if Hayes outs up 25 goals and 60 points than I will eat crow
As of now, I got no problem with NYR not commiting long term contracts to guys who will be older towards last few years of contract..
Agreed. And a disturbing sign that the “plan”, may be no plan at all.
He may have had a brain cramp now and again, but 25 goal scoring centers are not as easy to find, as Groton apparently thinks. Not to mention, this was a guy, who really wanted to play for the Rangers. - OLDSCHOOL#6
A bit hysterical are we?
Really? Come on...Every writer is saying that what NYR is doing is very committed to a rebuild, and that they aren't going to get bit by things they've done in the past
As of now, NYR doesn't have one single toxic contract. Excited about that!!!
And if Belesky is mentioned, well, that was a calculated move to get a 1st rounder, spooner, and O'Gara in Nash deal, so that isn't an issue
Really? Come on...Every writer is saying that what NYR is doing is very committed to a rebuild, and that they aren't going to get bit by things they've done in the past
As of now, NYR doesn't have one single toxic contract. Excited about that!!! - rrentz
I don’t think signing Hayes long term would be a ‘toxic’ contract
I don’t think signing Hayes long term would be a ‘toxic’ contract - airjan23
Wasn't really saying 5/6 year deal for him wouild be toxic, but rather that no one on NYR has a toxic contract. If he was signed long term, it's realistic to think that it wouildn't be looked upon as a great contract a few years from now.
Hayes is 27, so Having him signed to 5/6 yr. brings him towards declining years. Again, he's replacable.
It's refreshing to see NYR go another rout than falling in love w/ a 3rd line center and committing to him for 5/6 years.
Not too many Stanley Cup Champs had a 5+ million $$ 3rd line center, especially when they didn't have a #1C
Wasn't really saying 5/6 year deal for him wouild be toxic, but rather that no one on NYR has a toxic contract. If he was signed long term, it's realistic to think that it wouildn't be looked upon as a great contract a few years from now.
Hayes is 27, so Having him signed to 5/6 yr. brings him towards declining years. Again, he's replacable.
It's refreshing to see NYR go another rout than falling in love w/ a 3rd line center and committing to him for 5/6 years.
Not too many Stanley Cup Champs had a 5+ million $$ 3rd line center, especially when they didn't have a #1C - rrentz
It doesn’t matter much but Hayes just turned 26 in May, so five year deal I think brings you through his prime.
Don’t love this deal, but hopefully there is some plan we don’t know about on this one.
It doesn’t matter much but Hayes just turned 26 in May, so five year deal I think brings you through his prime.
Don’t love this deal, but hopefully there is some plan we don’t know about on this one. - Pete V
If he got this amt. for a year, you can imagine what he was asking for a mult-year deal...that's assuming NYR even offered him one
I kind of admire what Gorton is doing. This means they are really high on the kids.
I really believe that the consensus is that Howden will step in Hayes's role, and that Zib, CHytil, and Andersson will be the top other 3 if/when Hayes goes bye-bye next season.
Its a BIG season coming up, and at this time next year we will all have a better picture if the moves/picks made the past two years correct
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It doesn’t matter much but Hayes just turned 26 in May, so five year deal I think brings you through his prime.
Don’t love this deal, but hopefully there is some plan we don’t know about on this one. - Pete V
Hope that plan includes extending Hayes in January unless he told Gorton he wants out of NY after this season. That would be surprising, in that case he's gone at the deadline.
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If he got this amt. for a year, you can imagine what he was asking for a mult-year deal...that's assuming NYR even offered him one
I kind of admire what Gorton is doing. This means they are really high on the kids.
I really believe that the consensus is that Howden will step in Hayes's role, and that Zib, CHytil, and Andersson will be the top other 3 if/when Hayes goes bye-bye next season. - rrentz
Obviously I hope the kids pan out, but that's a big chance to take only having Zib as an experienced NHL center and Stinky as the backup plan.
How deep does this rebuild go if that is Gorton's plan?
Hope that plan includes extending Hayes in January unless he told Gorton he wants out of NY after this season. That would be surprising, in that case he's gone at the deadline. - Fenrir
Not going to be an extension, unless he's on pace for 60 points or so. If he's traded, then let's hope he fetches a good return. It's not like he's been lights out for years. I get it...I am enamoured w/ what I think he "could" be, but just can't fall in love w/ every player.
Obviously I hope the kids pan out, but that's a big chance to take only having Zib as an experienced NHL center and Stinky as the backup plan.
How deep does this rebuild go if that is Gorton's plan? - Fenrir
Not really...Chytil and Andersson have showed promise, and what better year to go w/ them? Howden will probably be on big club by next year. If he stays healthy, Zib is a top notch 2nd or 1B center. One would think that a #1 Center is coming one way or another in the next few years.
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Not going to be an extension, unless he's on pace for 60 points or so. If he's traded, then let's hope he fetches a good return. It's not like he's been lights out for years. I get it...I am enamoured w/ what I think he "could" be, but just can't fall in love w/ every player. - rrentz
Hayes was solid last year and showed some real growth. I get wanting to add the kids during the rebuild, not at the expense of taking the Tom Approach. Thought the plan was to try to be somewhat competitive. That deal flies in the face of that idea.
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Not really...Chytil and Andersson have showed promise, and what better year to go w/ them? Howden will probably be on big club by next year. If he stays healthy, Zib is a top notch 2nd or 1B center. One would think that a #1 Center is coming one way or another in the next few years. - rrentz
You present a solid argument my good man. Still don't think dumping Hayes is the way to go, but I get that he might be the odd man out with Andersson and Chytil likely breaking camp this season.
Hayes was solid last year and showed some real growth. I get wanting to add the kids during the rebuild, not at the expense of taking the Tom Approach. Thought the plan was to try to be somewhat competitive. That deal flies in the face of that idea. - Fenrir
Why? Hayes will help next year. Just gotta let things be played out and not focus on one guy. A lot of moving parts and I am just going to trust process and believe in mgmt. IF players/prospects/picks don't pan out, then I will put their feet to the fire.
Not really...Chytil and Andersson have showed promise, and what better year to go w/ them? Howden will probably be on big club by next year. If he stays healthy, Zib is a top notch 2nd or 1B center. One would think that a #1 Center is coming one way or another in the next few years. - rrentz
Placing a lot of reliance on kids with no parachute option if they don’t develop as rapidly as hoped. Plus, let’s say Hayes was signed long term and the kids did develop as hoped. If Hayes was productive, market would still exist.
Placing a lot of reliance on kids with no parachute option if they don’t develop as rapidly as hoped. Plus, let’s say Hayes was signed long term and the kids did develop as hoped. If Hayes was productive, market would still exist. - airjan23
Yup. That’s why I’m confused unless Hayes demanded a NTC and the Rangers said no.
Placing a lot of reliance on kids with no parachute option if they don’t develop as rapidly as hoped. Plus, let’s say Hayes was signed long term and the kids did develop as hoped. If Hayes was productive, market would still exist. - airjan23
It is, but I have to believe that mgmt has these expectations for a reason. It's not like they are going in blind to this situation. Risky? Yes, but this is the year to see what they got.
Yup. That’s why I’m confused unless Hayes demanded a NTC and the Rangers said no. - nyrangers9479
Possible, but that would have to be a full NMC. With Skjei, beginning when he would have become UFA, he has a modified NTC. The same maybe could have been done with Hayes. Plus Zib doesn't have one, which might have been used in negotiations.
With Quinn now as head coach, re-signing a former Chicago #24 overall pick familiar to him in Kevin Hayes for only one season, and likely reducing his trade value, or even worse, walk away free next summer, is a Gorton blunder. What's the point of rebuilding if not being willing or able to meet your youth's term demands' once they regularly contribute as expected? Hayes in being a "younger experienced Rangers vet", in a few seasons would be the type of older experienced vet you would seek acquiring for a young team when in position to contend.
Gorton should have been aware dating back to at least just prior to the Draft if Hayes' long term demands could not be met. That's when Gorton should have heavily attempted to move him while his trade value was at its peak. Now at best, he has to hope another team may want to deal their own 2019 likely to depart free agent, (like a Panarin for Hayes, "+ a lot"), and take a chance on re-signing that player, if not dealing Hayes in exchange for additional youth &/or pick(s) instead.
I don't feel that their rebuild was the issue for Hayes' excessive long term demands, nor that he would not want to remain a Ranger due to it, or in general. But I certainly hope that Gorton did not play hard ball with Hayes just to save cap space for the current 2019 pending F.A. class, since there is no guarantee that those on that list today will actually become official free agents on July 1st, 2019.
Agreed. And a disturbing sign that the “plan”, may be no plan at all.
He may have had a brain cramp now and again, but 25 goal scoring centers are not as easy to find, as Groton apparently thinks. Not to mention, this was a guy, who really wanted to play for the Rangers. - OLDSCHOOL#6
I think there is obviously a plan
and that's to have as little long term contracts as possible while stockpiling as many picks and prospects as they can
if ANYTHING is true right now, it's that there certainly is a plan in place and Kevin Hayes doesn't appear to be part of it
