I am not sure of who signed Eriksson but they should be gone
- VANTEL

They are. It was clearly Hank and Dan.

Rebuild would be complete by now if that were the case.
- thundachunk

It isn't?

If we were not hamstrung with contracts & FA left hockey ppl to deal with hockey much would be better. TL is only 1 person in the equation who had to do his bosses bidding. An owner is a fool if he cannot hire ppl & leave them to do the job. Money is a poor way to operate a pro sports team. The Leafs once they got out of their own way are proof. The Yotes on the opposite end of the scale show the bottom line makes for a bottom feeder. Sens are the biggest example of both combined.
- Nighthawk

Good bosses should have very little to do because they get others to do it for them.

Cut from team USA
D Max Gildon (FLA, 66th overall, 2017)
D Tommy Miller (undrafted)
D David Farrance (NSH, 92nd overall, 2017)
D Josh Ess (CHI, 215th overall, 2017)
D Alec Regula (DET, 67th overall, 2018)

F Curtis Hall (BOS, 119th overall, 2018)
F Cole Coskey (undrafted)
F Ivan Lodnia (MIN, 85th overall, 2017)
F Jake Wise (CHI, 69th overall, 2018)
F Jacob McGrew (SJS, 159th overall, 2017)
F Brandon Kruse (VGK, 135th overall, 2018)
F Logan Hutsko (FLA, 89th overall, 2018)
F Jon Gruden (OTT, 95th overall, 2018)

Eriksson. Gudbranson. Sbisa. Sutter. Gagner. There's a real possibility that Beagle and Roussel are problems by year 2.

This management team's pro scouting and UFA contract negotiations are worse than those clueless dudes I was talking about in the bar.
- Lindenis#1

Sbisa?


He was easy to drop especially since he played ok in the second year of his contract and was also a very serviceable dman for Vegas in his 3rd season(after the fact).

Narratives.

Nonsense. Once the Sedins were signed, there was no out. Gillis and FA are holding the bag til the end of the contract. No deflections allowed unless you are willing to retract that one year female dog session about how this was going to happen if they re-signed the Sedins back when....

- boonerbuck

I want to kick Gillis in the nuts for that

The TL hiring was for the obvious transition that was going to happen. Whether he stuck or not is no big concern of mine.

Onto JB...
I see him continuing to draft well. Now the issue is his trading. Minor trades & his age gap crap is no longer acceptable. That leaves real trades up ahead but there is nothing we have unless squandering prospects/picks were to occur. UFA’s these days are not the answer. So what is left for JB to do if its not TL’s take on draft & develop & exercise patience?

So JB’s next moves should tell us much more on the TL stepping down & how much FA has his hands on team moves. It will clarify all the speculating up in a hurry. Then watch the fur fly in here 😂😂👍

Gillis has been gone 5 years so you are wrong
- VANTEL

And for arguments sake, here is what those players that hamstrung the team with their NTCs returned in trades.
Kesler - 1st, two roster players
Bieksa - 2nd
Garrison - 2nd
Burrows - Dahlen
Hansen - Goldobin, 4th
Hamhuis - nothing
Higgins - nothing

Here are what Benning has gotten for his signings:
Motte from Vanek
Liepsic from Holm

Sbisa?


He was easy to drop especially since he played ok in the second year of his contract and was also a very serviceable dman for Vegas in his 3rd season(after the fact).

Narratives.
- boonerbuck

Sbisa was so good he's still a UFA

He was (frank)ing terrible and his contract was dog poop the second they signed it.

Eriksson. Gudbranson. Sbisa. Sutter. Gagner. There's a real possibility that Beagle and Roussel are problems by year 2.

This management team's pro scouting and UFA contract negotiations are worse than those clueless dudes I was talking about in the bar.
- Lindenis#1

Pro scouting is abysmal
UFA’s other than LE i can live with.
LE was poor timing & miscast.
Still thats on JB & FA imo

Good bosses should have very little to do because they get others to do it for them.
- thundachunk

Thats correct 👍👍
Role is put out fires & league business.

Eriksson. Gudbranson. Sbisa. Sutter. Gagner. There's a real possibility that Beagle and Roussel are problems by year 2.

This management team's pro scouting and UFA contract negotiations are worse than those clueless dudes I was talking about in the bar.
- Lindenis#1

I still think Sutter was a good signing sorry. Difference of opinion.

Gudbrandson looked to be a good acquisition but so far has turned out bad . Ooops

Sbisa Gagner not a big deal . I doubt Gagner will be here long probably will soon be on the Comets

And for arguments sake, here is what those players that hamstrung the team with their NTCs returned in trades.
Kesler - 1st, two roster players
Bieksa - 2nd
Garrison - 2nd
Burrows - Dahlen
Hansen - Goldobin, 4th
Hamhuis - nothing
Higgins - nothing

Here are what Benning has gotten for his signings:
Motte from Vanek
Liepsic from Holm
- Lindenis#1

Pretty reasonable all in all
Not spectacular nor horrible

I still think Sutter was a good signing sorry. Difference of opinion.

Gudbrandson looked to be a good acquisition but so far has turned out bad . Ooops

Sbisa Gagner not a big deal . I doubt Gagner will be here long probably will soon be on the Comets
- VANTEL

Gudbranson has been nothing short of awful. A recent first, a 2nd and a 4th for a dude who can't skate, pivot or puckhandle and has played 50% of his games. The only partner he looks good with is Edler, and there's a reason for that because Edler makes all his partners hella better.

He has one strong game about every 10 or so and everyone jumps around like "wow he's so great" and then he picks his nose and stumbles over his clownshoes the next 3 weeks.

But hey, he has a nice beard and he got in a fight once. Oh and he talks about how tough he is. Doesn't matter he won't walk his own walk, he talks the talk.

I still think Sutter was a good signing sorry. Difference of opinion.

Gudbrandson looked to be a good acquisition but so far has turned out bad . Ooops

Sbisa Gagner not a big deal . I doubt Gagner will be here long probably will soon be on the Comets
- VANTEL

Sutter was perfectly fine & a whipping boy over nothing much.

EG has to prove to us he is deserving.
Jury is out but he’s on the hot seat.

Sbisa/Gagner inconsequential plugs.

Back to your Sedin/Edler convo.
I do agree we would be much better now & in the future if traded. Still it was never possible but i wish it were.

Pretty reasonable all in all
Not spectacular nor horrible
- Nighthawk

Its more pointing out that those guys pulled a return, and a decent collection of them, despite all the griping over their NTCs while Bennings trade history on expiring players has been abysmal.

It doesn't even take into consideration all his other cash down the toilet trades.

Whoever is running the pro scouting needs to be launched into the sun.

We'll see at trade deadline just how much FA wants playoffs.

As far as the argument whether Linden was fired or stepped down.... I think that can be determined if he is still going to be on the payroll or not. I assume, if he stepped down on his own, he walks away from his contract and no longer gets paid? If he was forced to step down, he will still get paid. Am I correct?
- boonerbuck

Departures from front office roles may have negotiated settlements...though it is much less likely if he "quit" than if they "mutually agreed". If he was fired, his severance would probably have been defined in his contract.

We'll never know, though, as front office contracts aren't public.

Linden was and is just as big a part of the problem as JB JW FA. Nothing has changed on that front for me. Only difference is we will see how much of a problem he was by the moves JB now makes over the next year.
- thundachunk

Gudbranson has been nothing short of awful. A recent first, a 2nd and a 4th for a dude who can't skate, pivot or puckhandle and has played 50% of his games. The only partner he looks good with is Edler, and there's a reason for that because Edler makes all his partners hella better.

He has one strong game about every 10 or so and everyone jumps around like "wow he's so great" and then he picks his nose and stumbles over his clownshoes the next 3 weeks.

But hey, he has a nice beard and he got in a fight once. Oh and he talks about how tough he is. Doesn't matter he won't walk his own walk, he talks the talk.
- Lindenis#1

Cannot argue your points other than i am wantung to see him perform to his contract now & continue to. The past during sad sack teams i can forgive since it was going to happen anyways. Its been very hard to remain neutral on EG but thats no more.

Gudbranson has been nothing short of awful. A recent first, a 2nd and a 4th for a dude who can't skate, pivot or puckhandle and has played 50% of his games. The only partner he looks good with is Edler, and there's a reason for that because Edler makes all his partners hella better.

He has one strong game about every 10 or so and everyone jumps around like "wow he's so great" and then he picks his nose and stumbles over his clownshoes the next 3 weeks.

But hey, he has a nice beard and he got in a fight once. Oh and he talks about how tough he is. Doesn't matter he won't walk his own walk, he talks the talk.
- Lindenis#1

Can't argue he has not been good.

Departures from front office roles may have negotiated settlements...though it is much less likely if he "quit" than if they "mutually agreed". If he was fired, his severance would probably have been defined in his contract.

We'll never know, though, as front office contracts aren't public.
- SlightlyOffside

Its not often you have an amicable parting of ways where everyone is super chill and gucci yet 2 of the 3 names involved won't make a public statement beyong social media.

The TL hiring was for the obvious transition that was going to happen. Whether he stuck or not is no big concern of mine.

Onto JB...
I see him continuing to draft well. Now the issue is his trading. Minor trades & his age gap crap is no longer acceptable. That leaves real trades up ahead but there is nothing we have unless squandering prospects/picks were to occur. UFA’s these days are not the answer. So what is left for JB to do if its not TL’s take on draft & develop & exercise patience?

So JB’s next moves should tell us much more on the TL stepping down & how much FA has his hands on team moves. It will clarify all the speculating up in a hurry. Then watch the fur fly in here 😂😂👍
- Nighthawk

^ this makes sense, though I'm wondering if JB is going to sit on his hands until he & the coaching group see how everyone looks at training camp...

Cannot argue your points other than i am wantung to see him perform to his contract now & continue to. The past during sad sack teams i can forgive since it was going to happen anyways. Its been very hard to remain neutral on EG but thats no more.
- Nighthawk

He couldn't perform to a less expensive contract. What makes you think he can perform to a more expensive one?

- NorthNuck

I believe it. The hardcore fans who don’t go to games don’t realize how out of touch casuals are.

Some of them know what they’re talking about but a poop load of them do say thing like “Stetcher has all star potential”

Eriksson. Gudbranson. Sbisa. Sutter. Gagner. There's a real possibility that Beagle and Roussel are problems by year 2.

This management team's pro scouting and UFA contract negotiations are worse than those clueless dudes I was talking about in the bar.
- Lindenis#1

It's dreadful.