To your first point, I strongly disagree. If Gaunce was plucked off waivers no one would give a sh!t. Fans can't let go of our draft picks. Look at Subban, Cassels, Gaunce etc. He is trash that belongs in Utica.
To your second point, who cares how many goals Beagle had scored by the time he was 24. You do recall he was in the ECHL and AHL for ages right? Do you expect Gaunce to have the same developmental curve that Beagle had? Of course not.

Look, I have never supported the Beagle signing, but I don't stress the minor details. Our draft choices and trading real assets like Tanev keep me up at night. Not losing Gaunce on the wiaver wire and giving term to grinders.

Anyone that prefers Gaunce as a hockey player to beagle (independant of contract) is an idiot. That's about all I can say on this matter. Now let's get back to morning hate and the 2021 roster
- CanuckDon

Let’s re-visit this in a year or two.

Our weakness is the top 9 lol
D being even more so.
I get your frustration to some degree but the type of prospects we have are not suited for 4th line minutes. When or if the kids need the oppurtunity & cut their teeth on the 4th line those same signings will be done or moved out for spots. Adding to that any injuries to checking role players we don’t have call ups in the system to replace them. Hopefully in 2-3yrs is when the crunch kicks in and Beagle etc get pushed out if the prospects develop.

The Beagle signing addressed a shortage at C whether we like him or not. Allows AG to fit in when ready & other options if he can play his way onto the team. Eg Sutter can become expendable if C depth is there. This season expectations are tempered & seeing the kids grow is what we need to see.
- Nighthawk

Since both are along the same lines, I've combined them and respond:

It is rare that a kid shows up and can thrive in bigger minutes. The 4th line isnt the same as it was 10-20 years ago to be big and physical, its a good spot for a kid to earn more icetime. In all likelihood, if Gaudette makes the lineup, his icetime will be less than Beagle's anyways - so Beagle will end up being above his role

Also, there wasnt a shortage of C's. CapFriendly shows 8 players capable of playing centre on the Canucks, not including Pettersson. Take Beagle away and you still have 7 to get you to the same spot at the bottom of the standings

The Beagle signing addressed a shortage at C whether we like him or not. Allows AG to fit in when ready & other options if he can play his way onto the team. Eg Sutter can become expendable if C depth is there. This season expectations are tempered & seeing the kids grow is what we need to see.
- Nighthawk

isnt sutter our best C for Faceoffs?

isnt sutter our best C for Faceoffs?
- SMBDragon

Horvat took more and had a higher percentage won

Since both are along the same lines, I've combined them and respond:

It is rare that a kid shows up and can thrive in bigger minutes. The 4th line isnt the same as it was 10-20 years ago to be big and physical, its a good spot for a kid to earn more icetime. In all likelihood, if Gaudette makes the lineup, his icetime will be less than Beagle's anyways - so Beagle will end up being above his role

Also, there wasnt a shortage of C's. CapFriendly shows 8 players capable of playing centre on the Canucks, not including Pettersson. Take Beagle away and you still have 7 to get you to the same spot at the bottom of the standings
- WhiteLie

Capable does not equate into realistic.
Gagner Granlund Gaunce get eaten up at C.
Neither of those 3 are useful nor drive the play nor will they. Jury is out on EP atm.
AG is a true C imo but not fully ready. I cannot see how playing him with 4th plugs is good for him. Only Bo Sutter & Beagle are proven & established C’s. Can hide a player on the wing but not at C.

I don't think either are fringe 4th liners, they're both legit.
- 1970vintage

Half of the people here are bench marking both of them on goals, which is an awful way to argue the value or efficiency of a 4th liner (goals are the easiest benchmark to which most people gauge the value of any players, points, assists, etc). If you are comparing the two based on defensive play, than i would consider Gaunce more valuable. If we think offense, i think beagle, marginally. I still dont think either make for a 4th line center of a really good team, just my opinion though.

Capable does not equate into realistic.
Gagner Granlund Gaunce get eaten up at C.
Neither of those 3 are useful nor drive the play nor will they. Jury is out on EP atm.
AG is a true C imo but not fully ready. I cannot see how playing him with 4th plugs is good for him. Only Bo Sutter & Beagle are proven & established C’s. Can hide a player on the wing but not at C.
- Nighthawk

Statistically, Beagle gets eaten up at C worse than anyone else in the NHL.

And the bolded reiterates my point, if Beagle is the third most capable center on the roster, he is no longer a 4th liner - he's the 3C

Half of the people here are bench marking both of them on goals, which is an awful way to argue the value or efficiency of a 4th liner (goals are the easiest benchmark to which most people gauge the value of any players, points, assists, etc). If you are comparing the two based on defensive play, than i would consider Gaunce more valuable. If we think offense, i think beagle, marginally. I still dont think either make for a 4th line center of a really good team, just my opinion though.
- Codes1087

If we hadn't been near the bottom of the NHL in scoring the last several years, then yes, your argument has some weight. The problem is, we need all the offense we can get, Gaunce isn't going to give you it. Is Beagle that much better than Gaunce? As you say, it's marginal, but he has proven he can give you offense whereas Gaunce generally is dragged along with whoever forms the 4th line offensively-wise.

Honestly, I'd love it if we had a 4th line of nothing but players who are our fastest skaters but do nothing but forecheck and harrass the puck-movers in their own end. Even if they never score, forcing the other team to ice the puck and forcing them to stay in their own zone and never be able to change while we get Bo's or Pettersson's line out fresh will get us a LOT of goals whether it's 5 on 5 or PPs from tired players having to take them.

If we hadn't been near the bottom of the NHL in scoring the last several years, then yes, your argument has some weight. The problem is, we need all the offense we can get, Gaunce isn't going to give you it. Is Beagle that much better than Gaunce? As you say, it's marginal, but he has proven he can give you offense whereas Gaunce generally is dragged along with whoever forms the 4th line offensively-wise.

Honestly, I'd love it if we had a 4th line of nothing but players who are our fastest skaters but do nothing but forecheck and harrass the puck-movers in their own end. Even if they never score, forcing the other team to ice the puck and forcing them to stay in their own zone and never be able to change while we get Bo's or Pettersson's line out fresh will get us a LOT of goals whether it's 5 on 5 or PPs from tired players having to take them.
- DariusKnight

Im not arguing over anything and neither player puts lead in my pencil. My arguement is that people are arguing over, in the end, two players who probably arent good for the canucks, long term or short, given their age and the current state of the canucks. Therefore, why even debate it lol

Im not arguing over anything and neither player puts lead in my pencil. My arguement is that people are arguing over, in the end, two players who probably arent good for the canucks, long term or short, given their age and the current state of the canucks. Therefore, why even debate it lol
- Codes1087

I'd argue the short term aspect, but yes, again as I said if I was the coach/GM of the Canucks I'd be getting players who are the fastest skaters but have them do nothing but harass and forecheck like demons and force the other team to ice the puck, take penalties and then have our top 2 lines score all the goals while our 3rd line takes the hard minutes checking the top line/PK. Beagle and Gaunce won't be here in 2-3 years from now and are inconsequential.

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- golfingsince

I heard that on twitter . Very shocking for that part of the country

isnt sutter our best C for Faceoffs?
- SMBDragon

Beagle is now actually. It's the one value add he brings.

I don't think that's the point anyone is trying to make at all. When Beagsey was the same age as Gaunner is now, he had scored less goals and points, and played few games. In parts of ten seasons he has only managed to score 10 or more goals twice. I don't dislike Jay Beagle as a player, he's good at his job. I don't dislike that he earns $4 million per year (or whatever his number is), good for him. I dislike that the Canucks management team felt the need to overspend in free agency.

In three or four years, when the Canucks win the cup with all their elite talent, Gaunce will be the defensive specialst, putting up 7 or 8 goals and 20 points, and he will get his big fat payday, and when that happens I will hope it is somewhere other than Vancouver.
- 1970vintage

It was also a clutch and grab league back then when 4 th liners were there to fight.

Beagle makes 3 mil per ,the Canucks spent 8 mil in free agency for 3 players. They still have 12 mil in space when the season starts and 30 plus mil at the start of next season with mostly everyone in place.

Money is a weak argument seeing the team has plenty.

You go shopping for your bottom 6 in free agency not your top 6 .Do you think Aquilini will have a problem in 2 years when he is 20 mil below the cap space sending a player to Utica or buying him out?

The Beagle signing only made sense if they are planning on selling sutter at the TDL. If they keep both, it’s foolish
- CanuckDon

When Beagle was signed there were two true centers that had contracts with the Canucks . Sutter and Bo.

Gaudette and EP have potential but at this present moment neither of them are a true NHL center yet.

We seen the cost to acquire ROR everyone flipped out. Beagle is a 3 million dollar insurance policy and fans still are not happy even though we now have 3 true centers.

With Detroit signing Larkin, they are over 2million over cap. Will Benning try take on Franzen's cap hit and what would a fair return be?
- Reubenkincade

Why

Half of the people here are bench marking both of them on goals, which is an awful way to argue the value or efficiency of a 4th liner (goals are the easiest benchmark to which most people gauge the value of any players, points, assists, etc). If you are comparing the two based on defensive play, than i would consider Gaunce more valuable. If we think offense, i think beagle, marginally. I still dont think either make for a 4th line center of a really good team, just my opinion though.
- Codes1087

Beagle will be 2nd line here once the injuries take over in Jan/Feb.
- LordHumungous

Sweet deal then

Half of the people here are bench marking both of them on goals, which is an awful way to argue the value or efficiency of a 4th liner (goals are the easiest benchmark to which most people gauge the value of any players, points, assists, etc). If you are comparing the two based on defensive play, than i would consider Gaunce more valuable. If we think offense, i think beagle, marginally. I still dont think either make for a 4th line center of a really good team, just my opinion though.
- Codes1087

I have never seen so much love given to a player that has given so little. He may become a good player one day but it is not today. I bet you could pick 30-50 people out of the crowd to contribute as much as he does on any given night. He has 12 points in 114 games . Every 11 games he is lucky enough to get hit with a puck to produce a point

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To your first point, I strongly disagree. If Gaunce was plucked off waivers no one would give a sh!t. Fans can't let go of our draft picks. Look at Subban, Cassels, Gaunce etc. He is trash that belongs in Utica.
To your second point, who cares how many goals Beagle had scored by the time he was 24. You do recall he was in the ECHL and AHL for ages right? Do you expect Gaunce to have the same developmental curve that Beagle had? Of course not.

Look, I have never supported the Beagle signing, but I don't stress the minor details. Our draft choices and trading real assets like Tanev keep me up at night. Not losing Gaunce on the wiaver wire and giving term to grinders.

Anyone that prefers Gaunce as a hockey player to beagle (independant of contract) is an idiot. That's about all I can say on this matter. Now let's get back to morning hate and the 2021 roster
- CanuckDon

The bold is why I don't like beagle and would prefer guance. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

I heard that on twitter . Very shocking for that part of the country
- VANTEL

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4 years ago

If we hadn't been near the bottom of the NHL in scoring the last several years, then yes, your argument has some weight. The problem is, we need all the offense we can get, Gaunce isn't going to give you it. Is Beagle that much better than Gaunce? As you say, it's marginal, but he has proven he can give you offense whereas Gaunce generally is dragged along with whoever forms the 4th line offensively-wise.

Honestly, I'd love it if we had a 4th line of nothing but players who are our fastest skaters but do nothing but forecheck and harrass the puck-movers in their own end. Even if they never score, forcing the other team to ice the puck and forcing them to stay in their own zone and never be able to change while we get Bo's or Pettersson's line out fresh will get us a LOT of goals whether it's 5 on 5 or PPs from tired players having to take them.
- DariusKnight

Beagle isn't the offense answer.
Guance has far better advanced metrics and is a better player then beagle in all situations, including offense. 15%oz starts vs 43% oz starts equates the point goals. Beagle has a cs in the 30s and fw in the low 40s. The only advanced metric that guance is a negative is corsi and with his done usage that is a given. Beagle is better at faceoffs, 3 million better? Time will tell.