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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:07 PM ET
No it's not, it increases your odds when you tank. To get one of the best players later in the draft requires great scouting and luck. You have a better chance with tanking, which Benning is fully on board with.
- LeftCoaster


I would rather rely on great scouting than the luck of a lotto ball
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 12 @ 12:07 PM ET
No it's not, it increases your odds when you tank. To get one of the best players later in the draft requires great scouting and luck. You have a better chance with tanking, which Benning is fully on board with.
- LeftCoaster

Those odds have definitely helped a lot of teams.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Aug 12 @ 12:08 PM ET
I don't see him as a generational player either just a very good one. I don't think he is as good as Quinn IMO
- VANTEL


Starting early today, aren't we?

So.... if jack is beagle, you're saying that Quinn is Gaunce?
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 12 @ 12:08 PM ET
Not about favours, he's having health issues.
- LeftCoaster


He's due 3.6 million over the last 3 years of his deal. He can simply retire.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:08 PM ET
Yup all great player but Dhalin will surely be the best of them all.
- LeftCoaster


And Maybe Ty Smith has a great career, but Zadina probably registers more career points. And yes Webber and Keith were taken in round 2, but there is a reason that we all want the team to draft BPA, because those players are found above the next best player available.

The Canucks never tanked, they just weren’t good enough. This year will be different, they now have the kind of veteran leadership that encourages winning, and the young guys to back it up. The Canucks are going to surprise a lot of people this season.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 12 @ 12:09 PM ET
We are well past that point now. We'll be picking 5-10 for the foreseeable future we'll just have to make the best of it.

Picking 10th next year.

- LordHumungous

This team is worse than last year, at least on paper. They'll be a bottom team just like last year. If they don't beat the Oilers last game they finish tied for 4th last.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:09 PM ET
Starting early today, aren't we?

So.... if jack is beagle, you're saying that Quinn is Gaunce?

- Pres.cup



Can you go play in the traffic
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 12 @ 12:10 PM ET
And Maybe Ty Smith has a great career, but Zadina probably registers more career points. And yes Webber and Keith were taken in round 2, but there is a reason that we all want the team to draft BPA, because those players are found above the next best player available.

The Canucks never tanked, they just weren’t good enough. This year will be different, they now have the kind of veteran leadership that encourages winning, and the young guys to back it up. The Canucks are going to surprise a lot of people this season.

- 1970vintage

Oh shut up, you can't BS me with your poop
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:11 PM ET
He's due 3.6 million over the last 3 years of his deal. He can simply retire.
- golfingsince


If he retires the Canucks get stuck with the majority of the recapture penalty, because they were paying him $10m and his cap hit was only $6 (ish)m. Not that it matters, they have plenty of cap space now and over the next four years.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Aug 12 @ 12:12 PM ET
Benning is a genius.
- Marwood

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 12 @ 12:12 PM ET
He almost beat Mathews point record as a 16 year old..... he has McDavid speed and hands. But McDavid isn't as good as Mathews so that's a moot point.
- Pres.cup

You might want to stop watching so many housewives shows, you are turning into one of them.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:13 PM ET
If he retires the Canucks get stuck with the majority of the recapture penalty, because they were paying him $10m and his cap hit was only $6 (ish)m. Not that it matters, they have plenty of cap space now and over the next four years.
- 1970vintage



How many recapture fines has the NHL collected so far?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:14 PM ET
Oh shut up, you can't BS me with your poop
- LeftCoaster


What? I was agreeing with you, the best players come from the top of the draft. Picking 1st is better than 5th and picking 5th is better than 10th..
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 12 @ 12:14 PM ET
How many recapture fines has the NHL collected so far?
- VANTEL

If Florida don't want him on the books. You trade Gaunce for him and then Van puts him on LTIR for the rest of it.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
If he retires the Canucks get stuck with the majority of the recapture penalty, because they were paying him $10m and his cap hit was only $6 (ish)m. Not that it matters, they have plenty of cap space now and over the next four years.
- 1970vintage


If he retires before his last 2 seasons it's 4.2 for two years, before his last season it's 8 million for 1. That 8 million could be tricky.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
Those odds have definitely helped a lot of teams.
- manvanfan

Tanking or losing purposely when all hope is lost mid January got the Canucks Pettersson, it got Buffalo Dhalin, it got the Leafs Matthews, it got a bunch of teams a bunch of good players.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Aug 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
Not about favours, he's having health issues.
- LeftCoaster


He didn't leave under the best of terms, he will retire in the years and leave us with a 8.5 million penalty.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
What? I was agreeing with you, the best players come from the top of the draft. Picking 1st is better than 5th and picking 5th is better than 10th..
- 1970vintage


So you are saying Barret Hayton is definitely better than Evan Bouchard?
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
What? I was agreeing with you, the best players come from the top of the draft. Picking 1st is better than 5th and picking 5th is better than 10th..
- 1970vintage

I was talking about the Canucks surprising people this year
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:16 PM ET
How many recapture fines has the NHL collected so far?
- VANTEL


None, because the players want to keep playing but their injuries (sports related) keep them from playing. But Golfsy was suggesting there was little term left and if he simply retired it wouldn’t matter, which it would. Lu will keep playing, so it won’t matter.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:17 PM ET
If Florida don't want him on the books. You trade Gaunce for him and then Van puts him on LTIR for the rest of it.
- manvanfan



I am not sure the NHL wants to open a can of worms by signing off on contracts and then fining them for illegal practice. I am not sure that would stand up in court?

They are probably telling the teams to put them on LTIR
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Aug 12 @ 12:18 PM ET
I was talking about the Canucks surprising people this year
- LeftCoaster

I love the playoffs.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 12 @ 12:18 PM ET
None, because the players want to keep playing but their injuries (sports related) keep them from playing. But Golfsy was suggesting there was little term left and if he simply retired it wouldn’t matter, which it would. Lu will keep playing, so it won’t matter.
- 1970vintage



Hossa had a rash from his uniform . That sounds legit
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 12 @ 12:19 PM ET
How many recapture fines has the NHL collected so far?
- VANTEL


It's a different situation and until it passes I think you still have to account for it as management.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Aug 12 @ 12:19 PM ET
And Maybe Ty Smith has a great career, but Zadina probably registers more career points. And yes Webber and Keith were taken in round 2, but there is a reason that we all want the team to draft BPA, because those players are found above the next best player available.

The Canucks never tanked, they just weren’t good enough. This year will be different, they now have the kind of veteran leadership that encourages winning, and the young guys to back it up. The Canucks are going to surprise a lot of people this season.

- 1970vintage


To far vintsy, current veteran leadership it's's not as good as last year's, but Bunning is crazy so it'll work out
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