I'd rank Provorov higher than Ghost
- Scoob

Me too, but not by much. I'd have both in the 15-20 range on a list of top Dmen in the NHL.

well we cracked 100 comments yesterday...

the top 20 D, seems like reputation is a big part of it. Burns at a -16 and Werenski is good but doesnt jump off the page at you, plus he plays with Jones.

other thoughts?
- wcorvette

most overrated player in the league. (aside from Porkchop Brush)

Me too, but not by much. I'd have both in the 15-20 range on a list of top Dmen in the NHL.
- BiggE

Totally different players. Provorov is your all-situations defenseman who kind of excels at everything and logs huge minutes. Ghost is your dynamic game-breaking defenseman who is as deadly on the PP as any other defenseman in the league. Ghost also took huge strides last season on his defensive game.

But if I'm picking one right at this moment, it's Provorov.

most overrated player in the league. (aside from Porkchop Brush)
- KINGKENZO

I agree. He dethroned Mike Green.

Totally different players. Provorov is your all-situations defenseman who kind of excels at everything and logs huge minutes. Ghost is your dynamic game-breaking defenseman who is as deadly on the PP as any other defenseman in the league. Ghost also took huge strides last season on his defensive game.

But if I'm picking one right at this moment, it's Provorov.
- jmatchett383

yup

FWIW, my personal top 20 Dman list:

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Victor Hedman
3. Drew Doughty
4. Roman Josi
5. Seth Jones
6. P.K. Subban
7. Alex Pietrangelo
8. Brett Burns
9. John Klingberg
10. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11. Kris Letang
12. Ryan Suter
13. Zach Werenski
14. Ivan Provorov
15. Dustin Byfuglien
16. Shayne Gostisbehere
17. John Carlson
18. Torey Krug
19. Ryan Ellis
20. M.E. Vlassic

edit: of course, on Tanner's list the top 5 are all OEL.

FWIW, my personal top 20 Dman list:

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Victor Hedman
3. Drew Doughty
4. Roman Josi
5. Seth Jones
6. P.K. Subban
7. Alex Pietrangelo
8. Brett Burns
9. John Klingberg
10. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11. Kris Letang
12. Ryan Suter
13. Zach Werenski
14. Ivan Provorov
15. Dustin Byfuglien
16. Shayne Gostisbehere
17. John Carlson
18. Torey Krug
19. Ryan Ellis
20. M.E. Vlassic

edit: of course, on Tanner's list the top 5 are all OEL.
- BiggE

You forgot to put Shea Weber at #1.

You forgot to put Shea Weber at #1.
- jmatchett383

LOL

FWIW, my personal top 20 Dman list:

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Victor Hedman
3. Drew Doughty
4. Roman Josi
5. Seth Jones
6. P.K. Subban
7. Alex Pietrangelo
8. Brett Burns
9. John Klingberg
10. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11. Kris Letang
12. Ryan Suter
13. Zach Werenski
14. Ivan Provorov
15. Dustin Byfuglien
16. Shayne Gostisbehere
17. John Carlson
18. Torey Krug
19. Ryan Ellis
20. M.E. Vlassic

edit: of course, on Tanner's list the top 5 are all OEL.
- BiggE

Is there anyone on this list you would trade Provorov for straight up?

Is there anyone on this list you would trade Provorov for straight up?
- FlyerFan16

In a pre cap era, sure, but now, that's a tough question. Probably Seth Jones, but that's about it.

Is there anyone on this list you would trade Provorov for straight up?
- FlyerFan16

When you factor in age and cap hit, there are two:

Victor Hedman
Seth Jones

As good as EK and Doughty are, their age and cap hits don't make it worth it to me. But I'd take either Hedman or Jones straight-up.

Is there anyone on this list you would trade Provorov for straight up?
- FlyerFan16

All else being equal, no. He's younger than all above him (I think) and is only going to get better.

When you factor in age and cap hit, there are two:

Victor Hedman
Seth Jones

As good as EK and Doughty are, their age and cap hits don't make it worth it to me. But I'd take either Hedman or Jones straight-up.
- jmatchett383

I was thinking Hedman myself, he is in his prime but he is 6 years older. I could see Seth Jones maybe as BiggE suggested.

I was thinking Hedman myself, he is in his prime but he is 6 years older. I could see Seth Jones maybe as BiggE suggested.
- FlyerFan16

Yup, Hedman's age was the only reason I didn't name him, but I'd have to think on that one a bit. He brings a size and reach element to the game that Provorov will never have and all in all, he's still pretty young. Hedman probably has at least 5 or 6 peak years left and perhaps even a few more. I think he'd be the one other guy that I'd consider trading Provorov straight up for.

Jones, IMO, is a no brainer. He's only 23, is a rh shot, is 6'4, and is dynamic in all zones. As much as I love Provorov, I'd take Jones over him without question.

All else being equal, no. He's younger than all above him (I think) and is only going to get better.
- Scoob

Jones is only 23, he's the one I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on.

All else being equal, no. He's younger than all above him (I think) and is only going to get better.
- Scoob

Makes sense and I would prefer to keep him and hopefully he gets signed to an 8 year deal next summer.

FWIW, my personal top 20 Dman list:

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Victor Hedman
3. Drew Doughty
4. Roman Josi
5. Seth Jones
6. P.K. Subban
7. Alex Pietrangelo
8. Brett Burns
9. John Klingberg
10. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11. Kris Letang
12. Ryan Suter
13. Zach Werenski
14. Ivan Provorov
15. Dustin Byfuglien
16. Shayne Gostisbehere
17. John Carlson
18. Torey Krug
19. Ryan Ellis
20. M.E. Vlassic

Why Werenski above Ghost and Provy? I know Provy is only 2 years.

edit: of course, on Tanner's list the top 5 are all OEL.
- BiggE

[quote=wcorvette]

I think Werenski is a bit better all around player than Ghost. When it comes to him vs Provorov, they are very similar and it could really go either way. I gave Werenski the slightest of an edge because he's a bit bigger and has a bit more reach. But you could flip them and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

FWIW, my personal top 20 Dman list:

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Victor Hedman
3. Drew Doughty
4. Roman Josi
5. Seth Jones
6. P.K. Subban
7. Alex Pietrangelo
8. Brett Burns
9. John Klingberg
10. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11. Kris Letang
12. Ryan Suter
13. Zach Werenski
14. Ivan Provorov
15. Dustin Byfuglien
16. Shayne Gostisbehere
17. John Carlson
18. Torey Krug
19. Ryan Ellis
20. M.E. Vlassic

edit: of course, on Tanner's list the top 5 are all OEL.
- BiggE

why Werenski above Ghost and even Provy? Seems he is a nice piece behind Jones.

why Werenski above Ghost and even Provy? Seems he is a nice piece behind Jones.
- wcorvette

see above
edit: also, within a year or 2, I think both Provorov and Werenski are in the top 10.

[quote=BiggE]


yeah seen he is 6 2 which is always nice. I Look at his stats and I would take Ghost but would like either one. Of course long term I take Provy.

re Defensemen: Now, if I'm building a team from scratch and can take any 6 guys to build around, my 6 would be:

Hedman
Jones
Josi
Werenski
Provorov
Dahlin

[quote=wcorvette]

I think, between the 2, Provorov may have a bit more upside than Werenski and, due to his maniacal fitness regimen, he's a better bet to have a longer prime than pretty much anyone.

re Defensemen: Now, if I'm building a team from scratch and can take any 6 guys to build around, my 6 would be:

Hedman
Jones
Josi
Werenski
Provorov
Shea Weber
- BiggE

ftfy because

Thought: With Montreal in a rebuild/not rebuild no man's land, do you think Shea Weber could be offered up in the Seattle expansion draft?

[quote=BiggE]


great list, the only thing is I would put Ghost on it, I think he will continue to lead the league with PP points and he just does things naturally with the puck that very few can. Especially if I can surround him with your other 5.