I bet you are.

It's either Skinner or Stone. This team does not have the cap space to take him without trading Reinhart +, and, long term either.
- TheSabresTaco

That’s not true

That’s not true
- jdfitz77

In a short post, convince me it's not true. Because I disagree without unreasonable asset management.

In a short post, convince me it's not true. Because I disagree without unreasonable asset management.
- TheSabresTaco

For now, or for the future?

I see that spamming poopwagon is back.
- TheSabresTaco

The way that message reads, it's possible that the social media manager has a wife named Jim Fox. That would be pretty interesting.

Right,
but that eliminates the Sam/Berglund combo
I also forgot about Sobatka

One thing i fear about our 3rd line this season is that there could be very, very little offensive production

Sobatka-Berglund-Pommer
could be a very responsible defensive unit
But can they help out on the scoresheet?
If not...
we are gonna need our top6 & PP to be doing the majority of the scoring
And that could put us back into the same type spot we were in last year

That’s why i was thinking Sam at RW3
Better chance for consistent scoring (possibly) from that line then
- jdfitz77

This may be a real concern but I don't think you compromise the first line production to augment the third. You find and talent to lift the third without compromising Line 1.

For now, or for the future?
- jdfitz77

The future has too many variables, so let's say for now. Being realistic.

The future has too many variables, so let's say for now. Being realistic.
- TheSabresTaco

oh boy

The future has too many variables, so let's say for now. Being realistic.
- TheSabresTaco

For now...
let’s say we sign Sam to 6per long term
That puts us at 79.0

+ Stone 7.25

Brings us up to 86.25mil
Cap is 79.5
So we need to knock out at least 7mil

trade Beaulieu -2.4
trade Girgs -1.6
trade Larsson -1.5

I think we all are pretty much assuming that’s gonna happen anyways, right?

That’s 5.5mil off the books, so we need another 1.5 off
Preferably more so that there’s some wiggle room

Stone would be our 2nd best forward
Considering his defense, you could even argue he’d be our best (he’s that good)

So u do what you have to to make it work

Tell Sam he’s gotta suck it up with a 1 year deal for 4.5, and he can get big $$$ next year
That saves 1.5mil and we squeak under

Then trade McCabe & get 1.6mil in extra room

Or

Trade Scandella -4.0
With Guhle, Pilut & Samuelsson all coming,
is he in the future plans anyways?

Or
Trade Hunwick -2.25
I know, we give up a better pick, but a player like Stone is more than worth that imo

Or
I’d even go so far as to move Bogo or Okposo, and give up a pick or prospect to do so
include Pommer here as well
Obviously this isn’t ideal, and would probably be the last resort
But again...
for a player as good as Stone,
you find a way to make the room


Easy? No, probably not

Possible? Yes, for sure

This may be a real concern but I don't think you compromise the first line production to augment the third. You find and talent to lift the third without compromising Line 1.
- Der Kaiser

Fair point
Tough to do though

What 3rd line options do we have with Berglund who could both defend as part of a checking unit,
but still help on the scoreboard
I don’t think Sobatka & Pommer will do much offensively

E Rod maybe? But i don’t think we can count on that

Idk that Thompson should go there
Wasn’t the reason he couldn’t score much last year bc they weren’t putting him in offensive situations?

Nylander certainly isn’t ready for a 2way role in the NHL

Olofsson possibly?
But idk much about his defense
Seems like a big ask


I do agree with you in theory
Just don’t see how we pull that off

This may be a real concern but I don't think you compromise the first line production to augment the third. You find and talent to lift the third without compromising Line 1.
- Der Kaiser

I’ll preface this by saying I’d be shocked if it happened, but...

3rd line
Bailey-Berglund-Baptiste
-i know most have given up on Bailey & Baptiste, and obviously won’t be as defensively dependable as Sobatka & Pommer, but there’s some scoring upside with them still
And if they don’t score, at least it injects some much needed SPEED into the lineup

That would leave the 4th line to be some sort of combo between
Sobatka, Pommer, Wilson & E Rod


Again,
this is really just me not giving up on Bailey & Baptiste and not likely at all to happen

For now...
let’s say we sign Sam to 6per long term
That puts us at 79.0

+ Stone 7.25

Brings us up to 86.25mil
Cap is 79.5
So we need to knock out at least 7mil

trade Beaulieu -2.4
trade Girgs -1.6
trade Larsson -1.5

I think we all are pretty much assuming that’s gonna happen anyways, right?

- jdfitz77

You're overstating these savings. Even if they could pull off those salary dumps, they have to be replaced on the roster. Replacing Larsson with Baptiste only saves you about 700k.

It's pretty tough to get up to 7.35m, and leave space for call ups. Once Sam is signed, we're essentially a cap team. Not saying it's completely impossible, but JB's taken a few salary dumps, which certainly hasn't positioned them for that kind of move.

You're overstating these savings. Even if they could pull off those salary dumps, they have to be replaced on the roster. Replacing Larsson with Baptiste only saves you about 700k.

It's pretty tough to get up to 7.35m, and leave space for call ups. Once Sam is signed, we're essentially a cap team. Not saying it's completely impossible, but JB's taken a few salary dumps, which certainly hasn't positioned them for that kind of move.
- Lunaion

We have “extra” NHLers right now though
Not going into the season with 15forwards and 8 defensemen

I do realize it wouldn’t be easy
But i think it can reasonably be done

Or we wait for Stone to hit UFA,
but then we are gonna be in a bidding war AND have to convince him to choose us over all the other teams that’ll be after him

We have “extra” NHLers right now though
Not going into the season with 15forwards and 8 defensemen

I do realize it wouldn’t be easy
But i think it can reasonably be done

Or we wait for Stone to hit UFA,
but then we are gonna be in a bidding war AND have to convince him to choose us over all the other teams that’ll be after him
- jdfitz77

You need to give Skinner a raise, too.

You’re trying to put it together with masking tape and kite string. There isn’t room long term.

We have “extra” NHLers right now though
Not going into the season with 15forwards and 8 defensemen

I do realize it wouldn’t be easy
But i think it can reasonably be done

Or we wait for Stone to hit UFA,
but then we are gonna be in a bidding war AND have to convince him to choose us over all the other teams that’ll be after him
- jdfitz77

Sure, we have the extra bodies, but right now, they aren't counted against the cap.

The math is really tough if Sam, Bogo, or Okposo aren't in the deal.

You need to give Skinner a raise, too.

You’re trying to put it together with masking tape and kite string. There isn’t room long term.
- Der Kaiser

There is though

Get rid of Okposo (i know, not easy)
Pommer & Bogo are over 10mil in room

Hell... even if it means we trade Sam...
we wouldn’t HAVE to do that, but
Stone >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reinhart
If that’s what it came down to

Stone is an elite defensive forward who can score 30 goals

You MAKE ROOM for a guy like that

Sure, we have the extra bodies, but right now, they aren't counted against the cap.

The math is really tough if Sam, Bogo, or Okposo aren't in the deal.
- Lunaion

Tough, but doable imo
I hear where you’re coming from

For Stone, u find a way to make it work

Imo, of course

For now...
let’s say we sign Sam to 6per long term
That puts us at 79.0

+ Stone 7.25

Brings us up to 86.25mil
Cap is 79.5
So we need to knock out at least 7mil

trade Beaulieu -2.4
trade Girgs -1.6
trade Larsson -1.5

I think we all are pretty much assuming that’s gonna happen anyways, right?

That’s 5.5mil off the books, so we need another 1.5 off
Preferably more so that there’s some wiggle room

Stone would be our 2nd best forward
Considering his defense, you could even argue he’d be our best (he’s that good)

So u do what you have to to make it work

Tell Sam he’s gotta suck it up with a 1 year deal for 4.5, and he can get big $$$ next year
That saves 1.5mil and we squeak under

Then trade McCabe & get 1.6mil in extra room

Or

Trade Scandella -4.0
With Guhle, Pilut & Samuelsson all coming,
is he in the future plans anyways?

Or
Trade Hunwick -2.25
I know, we give up a better pick, but a player like Stone is more than worth that imo

Or
I’d even go so far as to move Bogo or Okposo, and give up a pick or prospect to do so
include Pommer here as well
Obviously this isn’t ideal, and would probably be the last resort
But again...
for a player as good as Stone,
you find a way to make the room


Easy? No, probably not

Possible? Yes, for sure
- jdfitz77

You’d basically gut the team and give them absolutely no wiggle room what so ever, nobody is taking bogo, pommer or ko without sending salary back, if we the last place team have no use for larssen grigs or bowlu who takes the, without another crappy player coming back.
Moving jake and scandella makes this team very weak on defense, mathematically sure you could get under the cap, but realistically it’s not gonna happen, no cap space.
I know this was for the now but also gotta fit dahlin in there as well.

I hope everyone read this about the skunk.

https://theathletic.com/4...uffalo-sabres-nhl-center/
- TheSabresTaco

You want me to pay for the news? What is this? 1996?

You’d basically gut the team and give them absolutely no wiggle room what so ever, nobody is taking bogo, pommer or ko without sending salary back, if we the last place team have no use for larssen grigs or bowlu who takes the, without another crappy player coming back.
Moving jake and scandella makes this team very weak on defense, mathematically sure you could get under the cap, but realistically it’s not gonna happen, no cap space.
I know this was for the now but also gotta fit dahlin in there as well.
- Sabres1523

Also, Dahlin if not mistaken can get bonuse's that will count towards the cap

You’d basically gut the team and give them absolutely no wiggle room what so ever, nobody is taking bogo, pommer or ko without sending salary back, if we the last place team have no use for larssen grigs or bowlu who takes the, without another crappy player coming back.
Moving jake and scandella makes this team very weak on defense, mathematically sure you could get under the cap, but realistically it’s not gonna happen, no cap space.
I know this was for the now but also gotta fit dahlin in there as well.
- Sabres1523

I’m looking at Stone as being an integral piece going forward

So if what i have to do is move out Scandella & Hunwick,
then i play Guhle & Pilut for the year
Guhle is ready anyways
And some think Pilut is too

Basically...
I’m willing to sacrifice a bit this season if it means we add a player like Stone

Also, Dahlin if not mistaken can get bonuse's that will count towards the cap
- sbroads24

He has max bonuses, but any earned bonus money that doesn't fit under the cap this season rolls into next. ...not that I love the thought at close to 3m rolling into next season

Also, Dahlin if not mistaken can get bonuse's that will count towards the cap
- sbroads24

If I’m not mistaken,
bonuses are added to next year’s Cap

During the season,
there’s no way to know what bonuses the player will & won’t meet

If I’m not mistaken,
bonuses are added to next year’s Cap

During the season,
there’s no way to know what bonuses the player will & won’t meet
- jdfitz77

Right, but Stone and Skinner are FA's who'd have to be re-signed

And for the record I'd love Stone, but I don't think it would work

Right, but Stone and Skinner are FA's who'd have to be re-signed
- sbroads24

Yep

I know it’s not as easy in reality as on paper

Play Okposo on PP1 and with Jack this year
Get his numbers up to the point where we can trade him next offseason
*we should do this regardless

Even if we had to trade Sam...

Stone is the type player where you figure out a way to make it work

Man, this blog.