Any time Myers has had to play his offside, or on the top pairing, has resulted in defensive hilarity. He struggles against top competition, he struggles under pressure, and he struggles with the puck on his stick

And you’re wrong on the second point. It’s widely reported he’s holding off on a decision, in the same way Nash is. Go home to family? Or find a new team?
- Rexypoo

Where is your proof on any of your facts? I want to see graphs and figures.

Myers did not get shredded everytime he moved up. I was listening to the radio a while back. they said outside of the first 2-3 games when he moved up, he was amazing. It takes him a while to figure out his defensive partners. If I recall correctly, they said that Myers was close to 58% Corsi with Morrissey. That does not sound like someone who's being shredded.
- TheUltimateJet

Small sample size is small. We have his entire career worth of evidence showing his defensive incompetence

Where is your proof on any of your facts? I want to see graphs and figures.
- TheUltimateJet

The off-side thing is a tough one. I will not be tracking that down on a game by game basis.

I’ll be honest on this one, I don’t care enough to dig into it for you. I did it enough over the last 3 years. The eye test really is enough in this one.

Small sample size is small. We have his entire career worth of evidence showing his defensive incompetence
- Rexypoo

Entire career includes rookie of the year

Entire career includes rookie of the year
- sparky1957

He had such promise, too. He had the talent, but no defence whatsoever. Unfortunately, the offence went backwards, and the defence never improved.

He had such promise, too. He had the talent, but no defence whatsoever. Unfortunately, the offence went backwards, and the defence never improved.
- Rexypoo

How so? He had 36 points this last year. Its his third best offensive output ever. And he also posted the second best +/- of his career as well. And to top it off he had the second most points by a defense man on the Jets with 7 points in 16 playoff games.

Sure sounds like he's declining.

He had such promise, too. He had the talent, but no defence whatsoever. Unfortunately, the offence went backwards, and the defence never improved.
- Rexypoo

And Postma and Dano are NHL players

How so? He had 36 points this last year. Its his third best offensive output ever. And he also posted the second best +/- of his career as well. And to top it off he had the second most points by a defense man on the Jets with 7 points in 16 playoff games.

Sure sounds like he's declining.
- TheUltimateJet

He’s not declining. I never said that. He peaked at 19, is what I said. He picks up points because, as I said previously, he is talented. He gets PP points because he’s great at getting his shots on net. He’s also never hitting 40 points again, and 30 will be in question soon with Niku taking his powerplay duties.

His problem is being ass on fire at defence. He gives up more scoring chances than Chris Pratt after Guardians, but before he was single.

P.S. Don’t ever use plus/minus to prove anything ever again. It’s the worst stat in professional sports.

And Postma and Dano are NHL players
- sparky1957

Postma will be a top player in the KHL, and Dano produces at a 2nd line rate with 5th line minutes

WOOF!!!

WOOF!!!
- Hockey Biltong

Bark?

Postma will be a top player in the KHL, and Dano produces at a 2nd line rate with 5th line minutes
- Rexypoo

If you got $1 for every laugh that you generate with your comments, you’d be able to buy the Jets and run things your way.

If you got $1 for every laugh that you generate with your comments, you’d be able to buy the Jets and run things your way.
- bennythehat

Laugh ? I actually feel more sorry than anything at his continual naivety towards the game I love. One day he'll grow up, become more experienced and look back at these days and finally see it for himself. I'm positive of that, although one will never really understand the subtleties of the game unless they have played it, coached it, and talked a lot to the pro players who play it, and understand team chemistry, respect for the coaches, players all buying into a system , etc. Advanced stats like Corsi are just minutia in the bigger picture.

If you got $1 for every laugh that you generate with your comments, you’d be able to buy the Jets and run things your way.
- bennythehat

You are aware of a thing called “Google”, right? Super easy to find information on players. I’d recommend checking it out

Laugh ? I actually feel more sorry than anything at his continual naivety towards the game I love. One day he'll grow up, become more experienced and look back at these days and finally see it for himself. I'm positive of that, although one will never really understand the subtleties of the game unless they have played it, coached it, and talked a lot to the pro players who play it, and understand team chemistry, respect for the coaches, players all buying into a system , etc. Advanced stats like Corsi are just minutia in the bigger picture.
- jetsnation

At least you gave being polite the ole college try on this one. One day we’ll get you to the point where you don’t feel the need to insult people that don’t agree with your opinions. You were doing so well, too

At least you gave being polite the ole college try on this one. One day we’ll get you to the point where you don’t feel the need to insult people that don’t agree with your opinions. You were doing so well, too
- Rexypoo

Murat Yates of the Athletic broke down the expected goals against per 60 minutes on all the Jets defensive pairings from last year. Buff and Tobi combo was the best at 1.5 goals against follow by Morrisesy and Trouba at 2 goals per 60. All Myers pairing were at the back of the pack. Rexypoo is not wrong about Myers defensively.

Murat Yates of the Athletic broke down the expected goals against per 60 minutes on all the Jets defensive pairings from last year. Buff and Tobi combo was the best at 1.5 goals against follow by Morrisesy and Trouba at 2 goals per 60. All Myers pairing were at the back of the pack. Rexypoo is not wrong about Myers defensively.
- BookemDano

Murat Yates of the Athletic broke down the expected goals against per 60 minutes on all the Jets defensive pairings from last year. Buff and Tobi combo was the best at 1.5 goals against follow by Morrisesy and Trouba at 2 goals per 60. All Myers pairing were at the back of the pack. Rexypoo is not wrong about Myers defensively.
- BookemDano

Oh Yeah. Toby numbers were so awesome that he was never resigned by the Jets or anyone at even a vastly reduced rate. The best defense is most often a good offense. Myers is an overall very good all-around player. Toby is not. Bottom line. If Toby was worth keeping then Chevy and Maurice would have absolutely done so. Pair an offensive Myers with someone that is responsible defensively like Morrissey rather than Chariot and it's a different ballgame. Toby's numbers outside the defensive zone were horrendous. Fourth to sixth percentile in many cases including transition game. It just doesn't cut it. You can analyse it any way you want but the fact the Jets or no one else signed him speaks volumes. He's gone. An easy prediction for those who know the game.

You are aware of a thing called “Google”, right? Super easy to find information on players. I’d recommend checking it out
- Rexypoo

It was so nice in here for about 3 weeks, while you were away at summer camp.

It was so nice in here for about 3 weeks, while you were away at summer camp.
- bennythehat

Hey man, if people want to diss instead of actually providing a counter argument, they can expect a diss in return. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

Oh Yeah. Toby numbers were so awesome that he was never resigned by the Jets or anyone at even a vastly reduced rate. The best defense is most often a good offense. Myers is an overall very good all-around player. Toby is not. Bottom line. If Toby was worth keeping then Chevy and Maurice would have absolutely done so. Pair an offensive Myers with someone that is responsible defensively like Morrissey rather than Chariot and it's a different ballgame. Toby's numbers outside the defensive zone were horrendous. Fourth to sixth percentile in many cases including transition game. It just doesn't cut it. You can analyse it any way you want but the fact the Jets or no one else signed him speaks volumes. He's gone. An easy prediction for those who know the game.
- jetsnation

He has NHL offers tho... it’s him pondering going back home, not him having no options.

As an aside, Toby walked, not the other way around. For all we know, Chevy wanted him to stay, and Maurice drove him out.
Also, that one model doesn’t carry much weight with me. It doesn’t line up with almost anything else I’ve found. The showings for a lot of different players don’t line up with their results in any other visual.

He has NHL offers tho... it’s him pondering going back home, not him having no options.

As an aside, Toby walked, not the other way around. For all we know, Chevy wanted him to stay, and Maurice drove him out.
Also, that one model doesn’t carry much weight with me. It doesn’t line up with almost anything else I’ve found. The showings for a lot of different players don’t line up with their results in any other visual.
- Rexypoo

Toby was smart enough to know that he wasn't in the future plans. For all the rest of us know, nobody in the organization wanted him to stay.
I hope that he doesn't get "mugged" again in Sweden......that was a good story at the time.

Toby was smart enough to know that he wasn't in the future plans. For all the rest of us know, nobody in the organization wanted him to stay.
I hope that he doesn't get "mugged" again in Sweden......that was a good story at the time.
- bennythehat

I always had trouble understanding why the media would not call a spade a spade in terms of Enstrom's play and capability. After 2015 when Anaheim exposed and exploited Enstrom, it was painfully obvious that it was to Toby's benefit that he signed that last deal of 5.75 mill as it was a lopsided deal, particularly the last three years.

That about covers it. Lets face it, he was being paid like he was still performing at 2011, 2012 timeframe. 2.0 said this best a number of times. He made 5.75 mill a year so he had a good run. Time to close the chapter on Toby and wish him well in Sweden.

I always had trouble understanding why the media would not call a spade a spade in terms of Enstrom's play and capability. After 2015 when Anaheim exposed and exploited Enstrom, it was painfully obvious that it was to Toby's benefit that he signed that last deal of 5.75 mill as it was a lopsided deal, particularly the last three years.

That about covers it. Lets face it, he was being paid like he was still performing at 2011, 2012 timeframe. 2.0 said this best a number of times. He made 5.75 mill a year so he had a good run. Time to close the chapter on Toby and wish him well in Sweden.
- CharlieDog

It is difficult to visually eye test a defense man's defensive ability. But Tobi has been elite. I agree that he has no real offensive value and is a one dimensional player with the puck on the other teams blueline (fake a shot and pass). He cant play a full season due to his inability to stay healthy. I also agree that where this team is with the cap he is no longer an option for this team. But for the love of Pete why do so many people flip their lids anytime there is a metic that shows Tobi is an elite NHL shot suppressor? He is damn good in his own zone just learn to accept that.

some talk about analytics:

http://thesportsdaily.com...analytics-debate-my-view/

Oh Yeah. Toby numbers were so awesome that he was never resigned by the Jets or anyone at even a vastly reduced rate. The best defense is most often a good offense. Myers is an overall very good all-around player. Toby is not. Bottom line. If Toby was worth keeping then Chevy and Maurice would have absolutely done so. Pair an offensive Myers with someone that is responsible defensively like Morrissey rather than Chariot and it's a different ballgame. Toby's numbers outside the defensive zone were horrendous. Fourth to sixth percentile in many cases including transition game. It just doesn't cut it. You can analyse it any way you want but the fact the Jets or no one else signed him speaks volumes. He's gone. An easy prediction for those who know the game.
- jetsnation

2 falses I need to point out otherwise I am in agreement.
First Myers is not a very good all around player. He is a servicable player with some offensive upside. He is not a decisive player with the puck and I am not sure he is even an average passer. He is also a weak positional player in his own zone. If you put Morrisey with Myers who becomes your shutdown pair?
Second Tobi s transition game is sound and actually I dont there is a metric that disproves that.