Wasn’t supporting his comment. UG’s comment was misleading.
- Steven_Seagull

Facts are misleading. Cool.

Why in the frank are people arguing Ennis vs. Brouwer?

The answer is "NEITHER!"

Ennis signed for $650,000. I honestly thought that the league minimum was higher. This dude isn't going to see the inside of the Leafs' locker room unless he pays $40 to take the tour.

Relax, fellas.

They both suck. Move on.

Facts are misleading. Cool.
- Unholy_Goalie

When saying Player A has more goals and points than Player B, while not mentioning Player A is older and has played almost double the games? Yes, misleading.

Why in the frank are people arguing Ennis vs. Brouwer?

The answer is "NEITHER!"

Ennis signed for $650,000. I honestly thought that the league minimum was higher. This dude isn't going to see the inside of the Leafs' locker room unless he pays $40 to take the tour.

Relax, fellas.

They both suck. Move on.
- Atomic Wedgie

But gotta argue about something because reasons.

When saying Player A has more goals and points than Player B, while not mentioning Player A is older and has played almost double the games? Yes, misleading.
- Steven_Seagull

Misleading like Ennis misses games because he's a small, frail player? Or that in the past 3 years in a row, Ennis has sucked and Brouwer really only had one bad year, which was last year under a coach that got fired on a PP system that was 29th in the NHL?

Why in the frank are people arguing Ennis vs. Brouwer?

The answer is "NEITHER!"

Ennis signed for $650,000. I honestly thought that the league minimum was higher. This dude isn't going to see the inside of the Leafs' locker room unless he pays $40 to take the tour.

Relax, fellas.

They both suck. Move on.
- Atomic Wedgie

Just saying, if the Leafs are going to sign a cheap, 1 year deal with a player, how about a player with some size and sandpaper to give the Leafs a different type of player instead of another small, frail, weak player who has been poop the past 3 years in a row?

Misleading like Ennis misses games because he's a small, frail player? Or that in the past 3 years in a row, Ennis has sucked and Brouwer really only had one bad year, which was last year under a coach that got fired on a PP system that was 29th in the NHL?
- Unholy_Goalie

So you agree your comment was misleading?

I see UG is back and already repeating the same paragraphs over that he has already done everyday for the past few months.

Why in the frank are people arguing Ennis vs. Brouwer?

The answer is "NEITHER!"

Ennis signed for $650,000. I honestly thought that the league minimum was higher. This dude isn't going to see the inside of the Leafs' locker room unless he pays $40 to take the tour.

Relax, fellas.

They both suck. Move on.
- Atomic Wedgie

This.....He’s a Marlie

Just saying, if the Leafs are going to sign a cheap, 1 year deal with a player, how about a player with some size and sandpaper to give the Leafs a different type of player instead of another small, frail, weak player who has been poop the past 3 years in a row?
- Unholy_Goalie

The Leafs have already signed a cheap, 1 year deal with a player.

He's bound straight for the Marlies.

We've tried slow, talentless guys before - they don't work.

The Leafs are a speed team. Guys like Martin and Clarkson won't work on this team - they simply can't keep up.

That includes Brouwer.

Of course it should "start" with Liljegren but that probably won't get them to budge because Liljegren isn't an NHL player yet and he won't keep them out of the lottery, nor is he anywhere near good value for Karlsson. They'll just keep waiting. And then somebody else will make a half decent offer and Karlsson will be gone and the Leafs will have missed out on a tremendous opportunity to fill a glaring hole in their lineup.
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh.

The Leafs have already signed a cheap, 1 year deal with a player.

He's bound straight for the Marlies.

We've tried slow, talentless guys before - they don't work.

The Leafs are a speed team. Guys like Martin and Clarkson won't work on this team - they simply can't keep up.

That includes Brouwer.
- Atomic Wedgie

As they showed against the Bruins last year, speed in the playoffs changes and having some sandpaper helps more than people think. Guys like Martin and Clarkson did indeed have limited talent but Brouwer has shown he can produce more than both of them at every level. Scored big in the WHL and AHL, multiple time 20 goal scorer in the NHL. He also won a Cup with Chicago (a speed team) and played in Washington with no issues too.

As they showed against the Bruins last year, speed in the playoffs changes and having some sandpaper helps more than people think. Guys like Martin and Clarkson did indeed have limited talent but Brouwer has shown he can produce more than both of them. He also won a Cup with Chicago (a speed team) and played in Washington with no issues too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Seven.

Franking.

Years.

Ago.

Jeezus.

Why not just pick up Jagr? He's top 5 of all time - surely he could help, no?

Seven.

Franking.

Years.

Ago.

Jeezus.

Why not just pick up Jagr? He's top 5 of all time - surely he could help, no?
- Atomic Wedgie

At 32, he might have a year or two left in the tank. I'm not saying give him a long term, big money deal like Calgary. That was obviously stupid. But a 1 year deal at 900K wouldn't hurt.

And I don't really care if it's Brouwer or Hartnell or even if they get lucky and Rick Nash wants to play another year, just somebody with some size / sandpaper to give the Leafs an added physical element that they clearly lack up front, especially for the playoffs.

Seven.

Franking.

Years.

Ago.

Jeezus.

Why not just pick up Jagr? He's top 5 of all time - surely he could help, no?
- Atomic Wedgie

Jagr has more goals and points than Nylander. Trade Willie then sign Father Time.

you guys should trade for Andrew Shaw #Cup

If Nylander gets 6 AAV (less than what he's worth) and Gardiner gets 6 AAV (also less than what he's worth), it's still more than Karlsson at 11 AAV.

The Leafs can definitely fit Karlsson. He's not a toy, he's a two-time Norris winning D who improves the Leafs.

Let that sink in.
- Unholy_Goalie

Go (frank) your hat.

Let that sink in!

As they showed against the Bruins last year, speed in the playoffs changes and having some sandpaper helps more than people think. Guys like Martin and Clarkson did indeed have limited talent but Brouwer has shown he can produce more than both of them at every level. Scored big in the WHL and AHL, multiple time 20 goal scorer in the NHL. He also won a Cup with Chicago (a speed team) and played in Washington with no issues too.
- Unholy_Goalie

you sound like the GM of the juggernaut Leafs teams of 2012-2014

See if Bolland is available

At 32, he might have a year or two left in the tank. I'm not saying give him a long term, big money deal like Calgary. That was obviously stupid. But a 1 year deal at 900K wouldn't hurt.

And I don't really care if it's Brouwer or Hartnell or even if they get lucky and Rick Nash wants to play another year, just somebody with some size / sandpaper to give the Leafs an added physical element that they clearly lack up front, especially for the playoffs.
- Unholy_Goalie

So your solution is to sign Scott Hartnell, who was invisible in the four playoff games he was in, and was a healthy scratch in the other two?

Interesting.

So your solution is to sign Scott Hartnell, who was invisible in the four playoff games he was in, and was a healthy scratch in the other two?

Interesting.
- Atomic Wedgie

But Brouwer scored big in the WHL as a 20yo one time a dozen years ago

But Brouwer scored big in the WHL as a 20yo one time a dozen years ago
- senstroll

Ennis has also enjoyed success with Canada internationally, winning a 2009 world juniors gold medal and had two crucial points in the gold medal game at the 2015 IIHF world championship.

So your solution is to sign Scott Hartnell, who was invisible in the four playoff games he was in, and was a healthy scratch in the other two?

Interesting.
- Atomic Wedgie

He's a part time player who still managed to score 13 goals last year with 12 min a game.

It's not about putting up the points for him at this point though, especially on the 4th line. It's experience, hustle and grit. He's not in every game but when he is, he brings effort, that's what you need lower in the lineup.

He's a part time player who still managed to score 13 goals last year with 12 min a game.

It's not about putting up the points for him at this point though, especially on the 4th line. It's experience, hustle and grit. He's not in every game but when he is, he brings effort, that's what you need lower in the lineup.
- Unholy_Goalie

He was a healthy scratch for 33% of his playoff games, and in the games for which he dressed, he got less than 10 minutes per game. And he did frank all. He embarrassed himself.

Next year he's a year older.

Nashville walked away.

Would the Leafs benefit from a guy who can skate, hit, and add grit?

Hell yes.

Would the Leafs benefit from Brouwer or Hartnell?

Hell no.

See the difference?

He was a healthy scratch for 33% of his playoff games, and in the games for which he dressed, he got less than 10 minutes per game. And he did frank all. He embarrassed himself.

Next year he's a year older.

Nashville walked away.

Would the Leafs benefit from a guy who can skate, hit, and add grit?

Hell yes.

Would the Leafs benefit from Brouwer or Hartnell?

Hell no.

See the difference?
- Atomic Wedgie

That's what a 4th line player does. And no, he didn't embarrass himself. He had a good game 4 against the Jets I remember seeing. He played alright considering his role. Nobody said he's being signed to be an every day, 20 goal scoring top-six winger. See the difference?

That's what a 4th line player does. And no, he didn't embarrass himself. He had a good game 4 against the Jets I remember seeing. He played alright considering his role. Nobody said he's being signed to be an every day, 20 goal scoring top-six winger. See the difference?
- Unholy_Goalie

My mistake. I apologize.

He played 4 out of 13 playoff games for the Predators in 2018.

1 game vs. Colorado.

3 vs. Winnipeg.

He's exactly what the Leafs need.

And he was so impressive in game 4, he was a healthy scratch in game 5.