first.

suck it:

Steven_Seagull
Zezel
Fakepartofme
mr.sir
matt1337
twiztedmike
Feeling Glucky
Symba007
Unholy_Goalie
Bobbyisno1
Zazzle
TrashPanda
paulozz
Underhill14
Senstroll
Adam French
MyKokes
Garnie
Gravyface
jimi james
BorjeFan4Ever
daeth
Sofadouche
BlueBallz
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GreatGigInTheSky
winsix
nbboy
dmnted
Santo_44
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Fist yourself, TAARD FART

- Woderwick

#1- Onions are great and all, but a lifetime supply isn't overly necessary.

I'd pick #2, 'cause after a day of hard work, the feet stink.

#3- Useless. I ain't the bird who needs it double time.

#4- Why downgrade?

#5- I'd look ridiculous bald.

#6- Hotdog in a hallway. Pointless.

delete your account
- TrashPanda

Trading Bill Ny and Gardiner for Useless-son does not, at all, improve the team. Nevermind a (frank)ing 1st on top of it.

We gotta get better at playing defense. Adding the worst defensive player in the league, doesn't help that. Only a (frank)ing quad would think otherwise.

Trading Bill Ny and Gardiner for Useless-son does not, at all, improve the team.

We gotta get better at playing defense. Adding the worst defensive player in the league, doesn't help that. Only a (frank)ing quad would think otherwise.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Two Norris trophies say otherwise.

I'd love to see you actually prove the ridiculous claim that he's the worst defensive player in the league.

But you can't, so you won't.

It's not too expensive for two reasons. For one, that deal is significantly less than what Karlsson would be worth if he were on good terms with the Senators. That's a relative bargain. Two, you're getting high quality in return for something you already have a lot of.

The future? Are you high? The Leafs still have Matthews, Marner, Rielly and plenty of other young guys, plus Tavares in his prime. Stop pretending Nylander is the one and only offensive forward the Leafs have because he isn't, nor is he even the best one they have.

Only thing that's wrong here is this silly notion that adding Karlsson for Nylander makes this team worse because it doesn't. The Leafs would be laughing to the bank to get away with getting Karlsson for their 4th best forward, a pending UFA and a late 1st round pick.
- Unholy_Goalie

Probably worth it, although I do really like Nylander.

It'd be even better if Willy didn't need to be in the deal. It'd be sweet if Ottawa would take say, 2 1sts and Gardiner. That's basically as much as we gave up for Kessel, but those firsts won't be nearly as high. This would actually be a worse deal than if they took Nylander (those 1sts probably won't turn into a player as good as him), but 1st rounders have a certain allure and might be enough for Melnyk et al.

Get (frank)ed, UG. I ain't responding to you again.

EDIT: Hey. My last post disappeared.

Probably worth it, although I do really like Nylander.

It'd be even better if Willy didn't need to be in the deal. It'd be sweet if Ottawa would take say, 2 1sts and Gardiner. That's basically as much as we gave up for Kessel, but those firsts won't be nearly as high. This would actually be a worse deal than if they took Nylander (those 1sts probably won't turn into a player as good as him), but 1st rounders have a certain allure and might be enough for Melnyk et al.
- Thecakeisalie

I'd like to get Karlsson and Doughty for a conditional 7th round pick but reality is quality players come with a price tag. Sometimes you get lucky, most of the time you don't. But the fact that Karlsson is even available should be considered lucky. Especially at this moment in time when the Leafs finally have a great young core and landed a legit star player for nothing but money. The time is now.

The Senators, by virtue of being stuck in a corner, may just take the first real good offer they can get for Karlsson. Considering nobody else has presented them with an offer worth taking and Karlsson not re-signing, the Leafs tabling a half decent offer before the season starts might just make them pull the trigger.

Players like Nylander become UFAs relatively frequently. Skinner is a UFA next year whom you could sign for the same (or less) money, get relatively the same production and clear the cap space required to sign him if Marleau retires (probably will and sent to Arizona). You can replace him (if he already hasn't been with the addition of Tavares and the development of Marner and Matthews). But guys like Karlsson so rarely become available that to pass on that opportunity is foolish. They should be calling them every single day to try and make a deal work.

Get (frank)ed, UG. I ain't responding to you again.

EDIT: Hey. My last post disappeared.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It's okay, you were wrong about Karlsson being the worst defensive player in the league and you're giving up. That's fine.

It's okay, you were wrong about Karlsson being the worst defensive player in the league and you're giving up. That's fine.
- Unholy_Goalie

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Hahahahahahahahaha.



Karlsson being an abomination defensively isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Leafs weak point = defense. Karlsson = joke defensively. Yeah, that really helps the Leafs, (frank)nugget.

It's okay, you were wrong about Karlsson being the worst defensive player in the league and you're giving up. That's fine.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'd like to argue with you, but I've got nothin either

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Hahahahahahahahaha.



Karlsson being an abomination defensively isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Leafs weak point = defense. Karlsson = joke defensively. Yeah, that really helps the Leafs, (frank)nugget.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Two time Norris winner. Pretty hard to be a "joke" or "the worst defensively in the league" and win the Norris....twice...

You're clearly drunk and it's not helping your logic one bit.

Two time Norris winner. Pretty hard to be a "joke" or "the worst defensively in the league" and win the Norris....twice...

You're clearly drunk and it's not helping your logic one bit.
- Unholy_Goalie

Me being drunk (which is true) has nothing to do with it.

Winning the Norris =/= being good defensively. It's been, almost entirely, an offensively awarded trophy.

If it was indeed awarded to the best D-man in the league, Doughty would have won it 5 times in a row.

But, hey, you're a (frank)ing retard, looking for an argument. Look elsewhere, 'cause I'm done.

Me being drunk (which is true) has nothing to do with it.

Winning the Norris =/= being good defensively. It's been, almost entirely, an offensively awarded trophy.

If it was indeed awarded to the best D-man in the league, Doughty would won it 5 times in a row.

But, hey, you're a (frank)ing retard, looking for an argument. Look elsewhere, 'cause I'm done.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Winning the Norris isn't purely an offensive award. Defense is factored into it too. Gonchar and Green have led the league in defensive scoring and never won the Norris.

Nobody said he's the best defensively either. But he's good enough defensively and powerful enough offensively to clearly be a giant upgrade for the Leafs on the right side on the top pairing. It's either Hainsey or Karlsson. A (frank)ing jellyfish could understand that's an upgrade.

Just for the sake of comparison though...

Karlsson career averages 1.19 TGA per game and 1.40 TGF per game.

Doughty career averages 1.01 TGA per game and 1.28 TGF per game.

Both play PP and PK, career both average about 26 min a game.

But apparently, the difference between the best defensive player in the NHL and, as you claim, the worst, is 0.18 goals per game against, not even factoring in the 0.12 goals for per game difference. Overall, a 0.06 difference if you add the two together.

And let's be clear, Karlsson isn't better than Doughty. In fact, the only thing Karlsson is better than Doughty at is scoring, blocking shots and takeaways. But the point is, if you compare them, it's not nearly the "best" vs the "worst" as you claimed.

Oofffff

Aaaaaand that’s why you trade him. As good as he is, if the right deal was available, you’d have to consider it. What do you think you’d get for him. If Dmen are such a premium asset he’d get a bunch in return even as a ufa. Yes he makes the team better this year. Yes the Leafs D are weaker then it’s forward group. And yes he’s probably the best Dman on the team. But this team is going to go on a run for the next 7 years getting a 1st in a strong draft with a decent roster D or/and a prospect plus whatever makes the deal, could contribute on the cheap in the heart of those 7yrs. Trading him to say Chicago who may feel there window is closing and take a chance by adding some mobility to there back end. They even have the cap to sign him to. So Gards to Chicago for say their 2019 1st, 2020 2nd (condition of resigning) and Jokiharju (29th 2017). The First could easily be a 20-25 pick or a top 10 depending on how Chicago bounces back next year. And the young RHD in Joki would give the leafs a potential cheap RHD puck mover. The young core of Rielly Dermott Borgman Rosen Liljegren Sandin and Jokiharju would be solid and cheap enough in the heart of the next 7 years.

Now
Rielly Carrick
Dermott Zaitsev
Borgman Hainsey

Potentially
Dermott Rielly
Sandin Jokiharju
Borgman Liljegren
Rosen Zaitsev

Now I’m not saying trading Jake is a slam dunk move. There is risk. Trading one year of Jake Gardiner on a contender for potential doesn’t always work out but it’s a risk I’d take with the depth of LHD, Jakes likely next contract and the potential to add a cheap RHD asset plus potentially good picks for the next 7yrs

Aaaaaand that’s why you trade him. As good as he is, if the right deal was available, you’d have to consider it. What do you think you’d get for him. If Dmen are such a premium asset he’d get a bunch in return even as a ufa. Yes he makes the team better this year. Yes the Leafs D are weaker then it’s forward group. And yes he’s probably the best Dman on the team. But this team is going to go on a run for the next 7 years getting a 1st in a strong draft with a decent roster D or/and a prospect plus whatever makes the deal, could contribute on the cheap in the heart of those 7yrs. Trading him to say Chicago who may feel there window is closing and take a chance by adding some mobility to there back end. They even have the cap to sign him to. So Gards to Chicago for say their 2019 1st, 2020 2nd (condition of resigning) and Jokiharju (29th 2017). The First could easily be a 20-25 pick or a top 10 depending on how Chicago bounces back next year. And the young RHD in Joki would give the leafs a potential cheap RHD puck mover. The young core of Rielly Dermott Borgman Rosen Liljegren Sandin and Jokiharju would be solid and cheap enough in the heart of the next 7 years.

Now
Rielly Carrick
Dermott Zaitsev
Borgman Hainsey

Potentially
Dermott Rielly
Sandin Jokiharju
Borgman Liljegren
Rosen Zaitsev

Now I’m not saying trading Jake is a slam dunk move. There is risk. Trading one year of Jake Gardiner on a contender for potential doesn’t always work out but it’s a risk I’d take with the depth of LHD, Jakes likely next contract and the potential to add a cheap RHD asset plus potentially good picks for the next 7yrs
- TalkHockeyGuy

Orrrr, trade him to Ottawa with Nylander and a 1st for Karlsson.

first.

suck it:

Steven_Seagull
Zezel
Fakepartofme
mr.sir
matt1337
twiztedmike
Feeling Glucky
Symba007
Unholy_Goalie
Bobbyisno1
Zazzle
TrashPanda
paulozz
Underhill14
Senstroll
Adam French
MyKokes
Garnie
Gravyface
jimi james
BorjeFan4Ever
daeth
Sofadouche
BlueBallz
Bettercallsaul
Walshyleafsfan
GreatGigInTheSky
winsix
nbboy
dmnted
Santo_44
- Arctic_AARDVARK

First! Literally.

Orrrr, trade him to Ottawa with Nylander and a 1st for Karlsson.
- Unholy_Goalie

Dude, give it up already.

And stop repeating the same reasons over on why we should do it. We heard you the last 1000 times.

Dude, give it up already.

And stop repeating the same reasons over on why we should do it. We heard you the last 1000 times and still think you are 100% wrong.
- LeafGuy89

Fixed!

It's a fair deal and the best one Ottawa is going to get right now which means there's a good chance they cave in and end up giving up Karlsson for less than he's actually worth.

Nylander is a very good player beside Matthews but the reality is, Karlsson has proven to be the best player at his position. Even if you don't believe the Norris' he won were warranted (even though they were), he's at worst a top 5 D in the NHL right now. Nylander will most likely never be a top 5 forward in the NHL. The Leafs would be trading from a position a strength and addressing an area of need and be giving up something they already have a lot of.
- Unholy_Goalie

The issue is, why should the leafs offer by far the best package for karlsson? We haven't heard of anything remotely close to nylanders caliber being offered for karlsson. If we are trading for karlsson, it should start with liljegren, not nylander.

I'm offended... I was only mentioned once
- BorjeFan4Ever

Maybe if you suck it good, he'll mention you twice next time

OK guys, you can stop 'debating' UG's ridiculous Karlsson trade now.

Even he doesn't want it to happen, he just wants the 'debate' to keep him amused all night.

In the future, when UG posts ridiculous poop like that just respond with 'oh' or maybe 'delete your account'. He's trolling.

first.

suck it:

Steven_Seagull
Zezel
Fakepartofme
mr.sir
matt1337
twiztedmike
Feeling Glucky
Symba007
Unholy_Goalie
Bobbyisno1
Zazzle
TrashPanda
paulozz
Underhill14
Senstroll
Adam French
MyKokes
Garnie
Gravyface
jimi james
BorjeFan4Ever
daeth
Sofadouche
BlueBallz
Bettercallsaul
Walshyleafsfan
GreatGigInTheSky
winsix
nbboy
dmnted
Santo_44
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Nice to be included but you gotta be shooting dust by the time you get this far down the list.

Maybe if you suck it good, he'll mention you twice next time
- matt1337

Or just be as good as The Gull and you'll be able to keep him occupied all night.

The issue is, why should the leafs offer by far the best package for karlsson? We haven't heard of anything remotely close to nylanders caliber being offered for karlsson. If we are trading for karlsson, it should start with liljegren, not nylander.
- matt1337

Luckily for us, nothing that UG says with regards to trades and FA signings actually happens. In fact, the opposite is true. He's managed to channel the abilities of Spatso and Berger into one.