One of Big Mike’s favorite pickup lines

We’re only offering two things over here: cake and c0ck, and we’re all out of cake”.

It rarely works.
- Der Kaiser

rattled

the good qb's get knocked down and get back up

see peyton, elway and aikman

all qb's that were thrown to their wolves right away



either the qb has it like them, or he doesn't like all the first rd flops


first rd flops never thrive at their second team


I am fine knowing in year 3 what they have with the kid
- homiedclown

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady
- jcragcrumple

They had Hall of Fame QBs, or pretty close ahead of them.

Edit: If Bledsoe doesn't get in he'll be robbed, I didn't realize how good his numbers are. He blows away Aikman and is better than total, but about on par with Young.

rattled
- homiedclown

By the cake? Or the c0ck?

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady
- jcragcrumple

Do we have any clue they would have been worse if they played right away?

Do we have any clue they would have been worse if they played right away?
- sbroads24

Brady was also a 6th round pick.

Do we have any clue they would have been worse if they played right away?
- sbroads24

Do we know the other guys wouldn't have been better if they had waited?

What if Kevin kolb didn't slip on the mat? Maybe Manuel would have been better

Also, hot take: Kyle Orton was a better passer than Tyrod

the good qb's get knocked down and get back up

see peyton, elway and aikman

all qb's that were thrown to their wolves right away



either the qb has it like them, or he doesn't like all the first rd flops


first rd flops never thrive at their second team


I am fine knowing in year 3 what they have with the kid
- homiedclown

1)
Those guys played in major conferences against good talent and knew how to read defenses
Plus, defenses today are WAY more complicated today

2)
Gannon, Testeverde & Young come to mind
More recently...
Alex Smith, Brees, Keenum

Brees obviously doesn’t really compare to what I’m talking about with Allen,
but the others all sort of do

All struggled in their youth & eventually became good QBs

If we had a team like Pitt or Seattle did,
then maybe we could play Allen right away and just not ask him to do much
But we aren’t in that situation

Just bc a guy has talent,
doesn’t mean he’s MENTALLY READY

Do u not recognize that a large part of playing QB has to do with the Mental side of the game?

Let’s not turn this kid into the next Jamarcus Russell please

If we want ed to play a QB right away,
we should’ve picked Rosen

Some guys need development still when they come out of college
Allen is one of those guys

1)
Those guys played in major conferences against good talent and knew how to read defenses
Plus, defenses today are WAY more complicated today

2)
Gannon, Testeverde & Young come to mind
More recently...
Alex Smith, Brees, Keenum

Brees obviously doesn’t really compare to what I’m talking about with Allen,
but the others all sort of do

All struggled in their youth & eventually became good QBs

If we had a team like Pitt or Seattle did,
then maybe we could play Allen right away and just not ask him to do much
But we aren’t in that situation

Just bc a guy has talent,
doesn’t mean he’s MENTALLY READY

Do u not recognize that a large part of playing QB has to do with the Mental side of the game?

Let’s not turn this kid into the next Jamarcus Russell please

If we want ed to play a QB right away,
we should’ve picked Rosen

Some guys need development still when they come out of college
Allen is one of those guys


- jdfitz77

So was Carson Wentz??

So was Carson Wentz??
- Der Kaiser

Of course
And the plan was to let him sit too
However,
He proved in Camp & preseason that he was ready

Goff was picked ahead of him,
and the Rams didn’t start him right away
Some guys are ready,
some are not

I just don’t think Allen is ready
Talent is there... obviously
Just don’t think he’s mentally ready yet

And i don’t understand why ppl want to rush him?

Of course
And the plan was to let him sit too
However,
He proved in Camp & preseason that he was ready

Goff was picked ahead of him,
and the Rams didn’t start him right away
Some guys are ready,
some are not

I just don’t think Allen is ready
Talent is there... obviously
Just don’t think he’s mentally ready yet

And i don’t understand why ppl want to rush him?
- jdfitz77

Why do you say he’s not ready? You can’t just say it - the kid has exceeded expectations in both of his preseason opportunities, and you have admitted you didn’t even watch the game closely.

If there’s something specific your referring to you should say so and let us know what it is.

Otherwise this is just a preconceived notion.

So was Carson Wentz??
- Der Kaiser

It's a case-by-case basis. I see a downside to starting him too soon. I don't see a downside to waiting. 17 straight years of my 28 years on Earth included no playoffs for the Bills. I was 5 years old the last time we won a playoff game. I'm willing to wait and potentially sacrifice this season if it helps Allen

It's a case-by-case basis. I see a downside to starting him too soon. I don't see a downside to waiting. 17 straight years of my 28 years on Earth included no playoffs for the Bills. I was 5 years old the last time we won a playoff game. I'm willing to wait and potentially sacrifice this season if it helps Allen
- jcragcrumple

I’m not convinced it’s gonna turn out this way, but the downside would be if he shows he’s the better qb than Peterman, and we lose games Allen might have won.

I’m not convinced it’s gonna turn out this way, but the downside would be if he shows he’s the better qb than Peterman, and we lose games Allen might have won.
- Der Kaiser

True. That's only applicable imo if you think Allen could lead them to the playoffs and gain playoff experience. Otherwise, 10-12 games is fine to me

1)
Those guys played in major conferences against good talent and knew how to read defenses
Plus, defenses today are WAY more complicated today

2)
Gannon, Testeverde & Young come to mind
More recently...
Alex Smith, Brees, Keenum

Brees obviously doesn’t really compare to what I’m talking about with Allen,
but the others all sort of do

All struggled in their youth & eventually became good QBs

If we had a team like Pitt or Seattle did,
then maybe we could play Allen right away and just not ask him to do much
But we aren’t in that situation

Just bc a guy has talent,
doesn’t mean he’s MENTALLY READY

Do u not recognize that a large part of playing QB has to do with the Mental side of the game?

Let’s not turn this kid into the next Jamarcus Russell please

If we want ed to play a QB right away,
we should’ve picked Rosen

Some guys need development still when they come out of college
Allen is one of those guys


- jdfitz77

“So far, I would say he’s been pretty steady, and that’s a great quality,” McDermott said. “Mentally, he’s pretty steady. I think the guys appreciate that. For a rookie to have that quality is important. The mental toughness element, if you will, is something important to manage the highs and lows of life in the NFL.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/...-direction-133323782.html

And for those that say the players aren't part of the decision why did McDermott apologize to the team after benching Tyrod last year?

Brady was also a 6th round pick.
- Wetbandit1

Well done

Why do you say he’s not ready? You can’t just say it - the kid has exceeded expectations in both of his preseason opportunities, and you have admitted you didn’t even watch the game closely.

If there’s something specific your referring to you should say so and let us know what it is.

Otherwise this is just a preconceived notion.
- Der Kaiser

Well I’ll just speak about game 1 specifically
He looked like he didn’t know where to go with the ball,
as opposed to say Peterman who was getting the ball out right away

Even on Allen’s TD pass,
he stared down that WR the entire time instead of working through his progressions

I don’t think he’s good at reading defenses
I don’t think he’s even adequate at it yet

That’s what I’ve seen so far

And while i didn’t watch the game last night closely yet
from what i noticed, i didn’t see much change

Arm strength- fantastic
Mobility- better than expected

But again,
I think the mental part of playing QB needs much work still

And it’s my belief that if u rush him,
he could get overwhelmed & that could delay him from turning into a Star QB for us

Taking our time on developing him doesn’t hurt us imo

“So far, I would say he’s been pretty steady, and that’s a great quality,” McDermott said. “Mentally, he’s pretty steady. I think the guys appreciate that. For a rookie to have that quality is important. The mental toughness element, if you will, is something important to manage the highs and lows of life in the NFL.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/...-direction-133323782.html

And for those that say the players aren't part of the decision why did McDermott apologize to the team after benching Tyrod last year?
- Wetbandit1

Not mental toughness
Smarts in reading defenses

Also,
Of course McDermott is gonna talk about him positively

Football things. Did I do that right?

Well I’ll just speak about game 1 specifically
He looked like he didn’t know where to go with the ball,
as opposed to say Peterman who was getting the ball out right away

Even on Allen’s TD pass,
he stared down that WR the entire time instead of working through his progressions

I don’t think he’s good at reading defenses
I don’t think he’s even adequate at it yet

That’s what I’ve seen so far

And while i didn’t watch the game last night closely yet
from what i noticed, i didn’t see much change

Arm strength- fantastic
Mobility- better than expected

But again,
I think the mental part of playing QB needs much work still

And it’s my belief that if u rush him,
he could get overwhelmed & that could delay him from turning into a Star QB for us

Taking our time on developing him doesn’t hurt us imo
- jdfitz77

Really? Tasker was praising him for looking off the corner.

Not mental toughness
Smarts in reading defenses

Also,
Of course McDermott is gonna talk about him positively
- jdfitz77

He's also not going to make stuff up. Allen is dynamite in the pocket under pressure, so far. He looks like Roethlisballs back there shuffling around trying to find an open lane. He hasn't looked much like a rookie yet, maybe that's because we haven't had a QB since Bledsoe.

I hated the pick, but he's shown a lot so far, and his accuracy issues, again, so far, seem wildly overstated. I'm not saying he's Kurt Warner or anything, but neither has he been Blaine Gabbert.

Well I’ll just speak about game 1 specifically
He looked like he didn’t know where to go with the ball,
as opposed to say Peterman who was getting the ball out right away

Even on Allen’s TD pass,
he stared down that WR the entire time instead of working through his progressions

I don’t think he’s good at reading defenses
I don’t think he’s even adequate at it yet

That’s what I’ve seen so far

And while i didn’t watch the game last night closely yet
from what i noticed, i didn’t see much change

Arm strength- fantastic
Mobility- better than expected

But again,
I think the mental part of playing QB needs much work still

And it’s my belief that if u rush him,
he could get overwhelmed & that could delay him from turning into a Star QB for us

Taking our time on developing him doesn’t hurt us imo
- jdfitz77

If you mean his game 1 TD pass, that’s incorrect.

Go to Dan Orlovsky’s Twitter. He breaks it down and showed how he made the corner think he was throwing to the flat with a slight pump fake

If you mean his game 1 TD pass, that’s incorrect.

Go to Dan Orlovsky’s Twitter. He breaks it down and showed how he made the corner think he was throwing to the flat with a slight pump fake
- sbroads24

I can't in good conscience agree with you, so, (frank) off!

If Allen starts it’s because management think he ready, they have proven to know more then anyone here, I think we should just trust the process...