Geez I expected more...maybe some charts or a screenshot of some spreadsheets. - Glak18
Have you been drinking tonight or something? I'm not the chart or spreadsheet guy.
I am amused though that I have to explain that to a blogger who covers a team that the actual money due to the player still gets paid but a team can use the bonus cushion to defer the cap hit for the bonuses, up to 7.5% of the upper limit, to remain cap compliant if paying out the bonus money puts them over the upper limit.
Never mind that the Leafs have about 13M of cap space only having to re-sign Nylander.
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Aug 28 @ 10:31 PM ET
Have you been drinking tonight or something? I'm not the chart or spreadsheet guy.
I am amused though that I have to explain that to a blogger who covers a team that the actual money due to the player still gets paid but a team can use the bonus cushion to defer the cap hit for the bonuses, up to 7.5% of the upper limit, to remain cap compliant if paying out the bonus money puts them over the upper limit.
Never mind that the Leafs have about 13M of cap space only having to re-sign Nylander. - MJL
I know what you are explaining, I just wanted a bigger fireworks show
A good argument for a team like the Leafs, a poor one for the Yotes. Until they're sniffing at the playoffs with this core, do not spend futures. That's how you assemble said core.
Nonsense!!! Rebuilds still take five plus years to get your team into a competitive situation and it's even more important now, because of the salary cap, to build through the draft slowly and develop those kids.
Almost every Cup winner since the 2004/05 lockout built their team through the long slow process of the rebuild via drafting.
Arizona's been trying to forego the burn it to the ground rebuild via the draft, and they've failed miserably, since then (13 seasons), having only selected three times in the top five in those thirteen drafts.
They have however selected multiple times, four, in the 6 to 10 slot. Which goes to show you how vitally important it is to draft in the very top of the draft to get that superstar potential on your team.
Nonsense!!! Rebuilds still take five plus years to get your team into a competitive situation and it's even more important now, because of the salary cap, to build through the draft slowly and develop those kids.
Almost every Cup winner since the 2004/05 lockout built their team through the long slow process of the rebuild via drafting.
Arizona's been trying to forego the burn it to the ground rebuild via the draft, and they've failed miserably, since then (13 seasons), having only selected three times in the top five in those thirteen drafts.
They have however selected multiple times, four, in the 6 to 10 slot. Which goes to show you how vitally important it is to draft in the very top of the draft to get that superstar potential on your team.
There's no such thing as a short rebuild!! - LeftCoaster
true
also goes really puts a dent into the fairyland "rigged draft lottery" theory since the NHL/Bettman would've loved to have handed them a potential superstar player during those years. Especially Matthews.
So in essence it took the Leafs nine years of building through the draft to establish the core of players that made them a good team last year.
They supplimented those core players by trading Kessel for a 1st rounder they used to get Andersen and got Gardiner by taking on Anaheim cap dump Lupul but the core of their players were drafted over a nine year time-frame.
Just for fun lets look at Los Angeles, because like Arizona they didn't have a bunch of top top picks to assemble their team.
2003 - 13th overall Dustin Brown
2005 - 11th overall Kopitar & Quick in the 3rd round *30 team lottery*
2006 - 17th overall Trevor Lewis
2007 - 4th overall Hickey, Simmonds, Martinez, King
2008 - 2nd overall Doughty, Voynov in 2nd round
2009 - 5th overall Brayden Schenn, Clifford, Nolan
Brayden Schenn & Wayne Simmonds were traded for Mike Richards on June 23rd, 2011. On February 23, 2012, Jeff Carter was traded to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Jack Johnson and a first-round pick.
So from 2003 to 2012 the Kings built their team through drafting and two major trades, that's 03 to 09 for drafting, seven years, followed by two major trades, ten years in total.
2002 - Duncan Keith, Adam Burish
2003 - Seabrook, Crawford, Byfuglien
2004 - Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer
2005 - Hjalmarsson
2006 - Jonathan Toews
2007 - Patrick Kane
Six years of drafting including a 1st overall and a 3rd overall, who were fortunately, for them, almost immediately great NHL players. There's the core of three Stanley Cup winning teams.
Obviously they were supplemented by Hossa and Campbell as UFA's and some other stuff but it still took them six years to draft those guys and build a core. Six years almost seems quick believe it or not!
2002 - Duncan Keith, Adam Burish
2003 - Seabrook, Crawford, Byfuglien
2004 - Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer
2005 - Hjalmarsson
2006 - Jonathan Toews
2007 - Patrick Kane
Six years of drafting including a 1st overall and a 3rd overall, who were fortunately, for them, almost immediately great NHL players. There's the core of three Stanley Cup winning teams.
Obviously they were supplemented by Hossa and Campbell as UFA's and some other stuff but it still took them six years to draft those guys and build a core. Six years almost seems quick believe it or not! - LeftCoaster
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Aug 29 @ 8:09 AM ET
Chicago???
2002 - Duncan Keith, Adam Burish
2003 - Seabrook, Crawford, Byfuglien
2004 - Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer
2005 - Hjalmarsson
2006 - Jonathan Toews
2007 - Patrick Kane
Six years of drafting including a 1st overall and a 3rd overall, who were fortunately, for them, almost immediately great NHL players. There's the core of three Stanley Cup winning teams.
Obviously they were supplemented by Hossa and Campbell as UFA's and some other stuff but it still took them six years to draft those guys and build a core. Six years almost seems quick believe it or not! - LeftCoaster
Then you have Washington who took approx. 14 years to finally win a cup after going through rebuild mode and also Pittsburgh around 7 years to win their first cup coming back from the bottom of the NHL.
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Aug 29 @ 9:41 AM ET
Have you been drinking tonight or something? I'm not the chart or spreadsheet guy.
I am amused though that I have to explain that to a blogger who covers a team that the actual money due to the player still gets paid but a team can use the bonus cushion to defer the cap hit for the bonuses, up to 7.5% of the upper limit, to remain cap compliant if paying out the bonus money puts them over the upper limit.
Never mind that the Leafs have about 13M of cap space only having to re-sign Nylander. - MJL
What's hilarious that I was right, and that you googled it, and that still take that tone with people. I have owned you thousands of times in this blog, but this is the best ever.
So in essence it took the Leafs nine years of building through the draft to establish the core of players that made them a good team last year.
They supplimented those core players by trading Kessel for a 1st rounder they used to get Andersen and got Gardiner by taking on Anaheim cap dump Lupul but the core of their players were drafted over a nine year time-frame.
Quick rebuild my ass!!! - LeftCoaster
This one of the most disingenuous posts I've seen here. The Leafs had the second overall pick in 2011 and they traded it to try and accellerate the process. It ended up with two fired GMs.
The new guy took over, they tanked for ONE SEASON and then made the playoffs. The Leafs are the team that proves you don't need to to the ancient five year rebuild thing. But sure, arbitrarily use the 2008 draft to declare that the start of the rebuild, which is funny though because you've never once tried to back up anything you say before this. I know see why.
This one of the most disingenuous posts I've seen here. The Leafs had the second overall pick in 2011 and they traded it to try and accellerate the process. It ended up with two fired GMs.
The new guy took over, they tanked for ONE SEASON and then made the playoffs. The Leafs are the team that proves you don't need to to the ancient five year rebuild thing. But sure, arbitrarily use the 2008 draft to declare that the start of the rebuild, which is funny though because you've never once tried to back up anything you say before this. I know see why. - james_tanner1
You just have no clue, it's both comical, and sad. There's no such thing as a drop-dead rebuild date, like you'd have everyone believe, rebuilding via the draft happens every year, for every team, whether you finish last or win the Stanley Cup.
The Leafs didn't have success because they said in 2015 they were gonna rebuild, they had success because they tanked, got lucky, won the first overall pick, and, they'd been building through the draft for several years, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
Tanking and rebuilding are two separate things, you can tank for a couple years and have great success, like Toronto did, if you've drafted well previously and rebuilt your prospect pool.
The leaf model you refer to....it was a rebuild....done to perfection over several years.
The JT contract signifies the rebuild is over and the time to start competing for the cup is now.
