Based on what's been reported and what we know, or should I say I know based on this blog. I can't say the NHL did nothing wrong. Based n the information I have, I don't see sufficient enough evidence to tarnish a player and suspend him for 20 games and take away significant salary. Based on what's been reported we can't say Schmidt did anything wrong either.
- MJL

you are really smart eh

That is the thing though, that isnt the only usage for steroids. Many medicines out there can contain traces of steriods. Steroids is also a form of treatment used by doctors. Without any proof he should not be disciplined this severely for a small trace. Keep an eye on him if you have to but there isnt enough there to warrant any kind of suspension. Sure you have to be aware of what you are putting in your body but there is only so much you can do. I can tell you right now, there is probably a lot going in my body that I dont know about. Many things go by medical terms that we dont know about. No one is going to know 100% what goes in their bodies.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

This is why my previous post refers that all organisations have a list of supplements, medicines, & everything else pro players use in their training & treatments. Organisations know exactly what they can & can't use - their reputations & existence depend on it - trust me, we've had huge blow ups over here the last few years.

To take something you don't know the full extent of is stupid - not naive, not innocent just stupid. If the organisation is giving it to you then it's them that Will pay the ultimate price (yes death! ), if a player takes it off his/her own bat then they deserve everything they get. No matter how small or big that product is.

WADA gives all pro sporting organisations a list of prohibited substances. They test for those susbstances & they also do In house testing. Depending on what individual organisations do with their internal testing, wada testing is final. You break that you're banned by them not the organisations (I think).

100% Bubba.

Steroids are prescribed all the time for different problems to the general public.
- Aussiepenguin

This is true, but the Corticosteroid variety of steroids that your Dr prescribes aren't banned. Anabolic steroids are a whole different animal.

How about a game of one on one shinny Nucker101, anything goes, Your a wimpy little cheeseball and I would love to make your day. Have you ever made a constructive post in your seemingly forever life in HB. What you did to me with that erroneous phone number was as low as any human can go. The guy I phoned was probably your friend and friends do not do that to each other. Your a sick puppy!
- joegreif17

Stop asking for personal information from people on the internet

Apparently, 90% of American paper money is contaminated with cocaine....how many times does a person handle money with a cut on their finger/cuticle?....or hold a bill in their mouth while they reach into their pocket for change?

7 billionths...

Stop asking for personal information from people on the internet
- bulet13

So, what's your favourite colour?

Apparently, 90% of American paper money is contaminated with cocaine....how many times does a person handle money with a cut on their finger/cuticle?....or hold a bill in their mouth while they reach into their pocket for change?

7 billionths...
- jimi james

Strange how Nate is the only NHL player to have touched 1 of those many many contaminated notes......may have been touching it as he rolled it up & snorted a line?

So, what's your favourite colour?


- Aetherial

I'll guess it's aqua. Bullet sounds like an aqua person of some persuasion.

This is true, but the Corticosteroid variety of steroids that your Dr prescribes aren't banned. Anabolic steroids are a whole different animal.
- Tanuki

Yes roids of the anabolic type would be hard to excuse. In saying that isn't there some types of steroids in medicine that are on the banned list as well. Some asthma gear seems to be banned due to a chemical in that? (Except if you're Chris Froome)

Who knows what to beleive. The league is not transparent in these matters. It's a private business the NHL. They could in theory allow a team for 1 season to juice and not enforce or ignore results. Vegas a team of rejects looking like allstars man to man last year?. All testing and enforcement should be given to an outside body. The NHL should not be policing themselves internally. Being a business with money at stake the NHL is ripe for corruption. I hate the draft lotto system too. There's no reason when the balls drop, that process can't be the actual live event in real time showing the winner. Not a secret ball ritual and then they show the cards being flipped later as if that equals the way it went? I don't care what anyone says, the league is corrupt. It's a private Billionaires club they probably have an internal bidding war. The random probability fasade is just a front. The 2 ref system, video replay, all ways to subsectivly manipulate the integrity of the game. The owners could choose year to year which team doesn't get testing enforced against them. It's a game like WWE in my opinion. Match fixing is a real thing already been exposed in other sports. This is all fantasy world Professional sports. The athletes and more so the fans are just pawns. This isn't real life laws and rules, there Orchestration and billionaire agendas in the old boys billionaire club. I see the NHL for what it is. I don't hold the league to some higher standard of virtue. I enjoy supreme talent on the ice know it's a product like a movie being presented to us with compelling scripts and everything. There's villains and hero's, there's winners and losers.
- morrison1980

You know they film the lottery, with reporters and team reps there and everything?

https://www.nhl.com/coyot...ng/t-277437086/c-60176003

Sure, I suppose they could keep shooting until the get the desired result, or salt the balls or something. But keeping all those different people quiet? Journalists, who would have a Pulitzer story on their hands? No way. Team reps that didn't win/got shafted, like the Coyotes in 2015? Sorry.

Not sure of what the substance was. But if it's a steroid of some sort to help him build more muscle then yes it is enhancing his performance as he will be stronger after using it. He will open the season being a stronger player hence a better player. That is called performance enhancing.

In my previous post about injury repair, the same could be said only I stress that it's during the muscle healing process that has to stop once the injury had been repaired.
- Aussiepenguin

The amount in his system wouldn't affect his muscle. It would give him 0 advantage in anything. 7 billionths.... I dont think people understand how little that is.

Like a grain of sand in a olympic pool..

The amount in his system wouldn't affect his muscle. It would give him 0 advantage in anything. 7 billionths.... I dont think people understand how little that is.

Like a grain of sand in a olympic pool..
- jbold

Well if it's only a grain of sand why not make it go away? Better still, if someone with up to 109 grains of sand tests positive let's give them a pass as well? Is that ok?

I wonder what you'd say if your partner (if you have 1), said that the mouth was only near the penis (not yours), for a very short time. There may have been very slight contact between tongue & member but it was over in a millisecond - that's like a grain of sand in a swimming pool? It doesn't matter does it?

Well if it's only a grain of sand why not make it go away? Better still, if someone with up to 109 grains of sand tests positive let's give them a pass as well? Is that ok?

I wonder what you'd say if your partner (if you have 1), said that the mouth was only near the penis (not yours), for a very short time. There may have been very slight contact between tongue & member but it was over in a millisecond - that's like a grain of sand in a swimming pool? It doesn't matter does it?
- Aussiepenguin

Great analogy. This may be your greatest post of your Hockeybuzz tenure. Well done

Well if it's only a grain of sand why not make it go away? Better still, if someone with up to 109 grains of sand tests positive let's give them a pass as well? Is that ok?

I wonder what you'd say if your partner (if you have 1), said that the mouth was only near the penis (not yours), for a very short time. There may have been very slight contact between tongue & member but it was over in a millisecond - that's like a grain of sand in a swimming pool? It doesn't matter does it?
- Aussiepenguin

Did I say it didn't matter? Did I disagree with the punishment? My god Pens fans are dumb.

Im simply letting you know that the teeny tiny amount of PEDs in his system isnt going to enhance anything. But keep thinkin about Richards and stuff.

(frank)in Aussies, man.

Well if it's only a grain of sand why not make it go away? Better still, if someone with up to 109 grains of sand tests positive let's give them a pass as well? Is that ok?

I wonder what you'd say if your partner (if you have 1), said that the mouth was only near the penis (not yours), for a very short time. There may have been very slight contact between tongue & member but it was over in a millisecond - that's like a grain of sand in a swimming pool? It doesn't matter does it?
- Aussiepenguin

Also, the amount of poop players get away with in the NHL is crazy.

When Kadri was younger, he owned about 6 bongs and would smoke up on a regular basis.

Numerous players on coke and popping pills, and more smoking weed.

Also underage drinking. How many rookies under the age of 21 drink booze out of the Stanley Cup?

They let all that slide, but someone who tested for 7 billionths of a mg gets penalized? Why? Somethings off.

Great analogy. This may be your greatest post of your Hockeybuzz tenure. Well done
- HonkyTonkMan

Youre 100% Bubba.

If only I was up there with the best..........

Did I say it didn't matter? Did I disagree with the punishment? My god Pens fans are dumb.

Im simply letting you know that the teeny tiny amount of PEDs in his system isnt going to enhance anything. But keep thinkin about Richards and stuff.

(frank)in Aussies, man.
- jbold

Well looking at that, you do imply that the insignificant amount of substance in his system was like having a grain of sand in a swimming pool. So what were you implying?

Plus it's the buzz, everyone understands what I said - I left it neutral as well just in case you are a male or female!

Also, the amount of poop players get away with in the NHL is crazy. Prove it.

When Kadri was younger, he owned about 6 bongs and would smoke up on a regular basis. Are you his dealer?

Numerous players on coke and popping pills, and more smoking weed. Source?

Also underage drinking. How many rookies under the age of 21 drink booze out of the Stanley Cup? Heaps.

They let all that slide, but someone who tested for 7 billionths of a mg gets penalized? Why? Somethings off.He failed a test. He's a wienerhead!
- jbold

Well you know the expression, only the best cheats win! Everyone else just get caught!

For the record: it is actually biologically impossible to know how 7 billionths of a mg/ml of any substance gets into your body. That said, the measure is on a per volume basis so 7 billionths of a mg was not all that was in his system. That was just the amount per ml in what was tested.

He could very easily have gotten a contaminant from eating grocery store meat within certain time thresholds or even a specific type of animal which is naturally high in muscle building hormones (like boar). (Among countless other sourcrs.)

All that said, let's put on the tinfoil hat for a moment: it is Vegas. Test the entire team. Schmidt did say he only took team provided supplements... Bad look for the NHL there.

So in summary: we don't have enough info to know for certain one way or the other but...this reeks of a massive overreaction by the NHL unless there is something they know that they're not diclosing.

Post-script: To anyone who says "rules are rules" or anything similar: you are insanely stupid (term meant literally). Many of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind were "legal" at the time. Legal and moral do not equate in any way save for the hopelessly braindead. Take some personal responsibility. Stop delegating your responsibility for thinking to authority figures. You're the people who would salute Hitler without a second thought.

As pointed out already, when the substance in question was "harmless" (in regard to performance enhancements, or maybe to be found with higher possiblity in some "normal" food), it would have been named outright in Mr. Schmidt's letter to the public. It wasn't. Still, 20 games are exactly the same amount Todd Bertuzzi got...

For the record: it is actually biologically impossible to know how 7 billionths of a mg/ml of any substance gets into your body. That said, the measure is on a per volume basis so 7 billionths of a mg was not all that was in his system. That was just the amount per ml in what was tested.

He could very easily have gotten a contaminant from eating grocery store meat within certain time thresholds or even a specific type of animal which is naturally high in muscle building hormones (like boar). (Among countless other sourcrs.)

All that said, let's put on the tinfoil hat for a moment: it is Vegas. Test the entire team. Schmidt did say he only took team provided supplements... Bad look for the NHL there.

So in summary: we don't have enough info to know for certain one way or the other but...this reeks of a massive overreaction by the NHL unless there is something they know that they're not diclosing.

Post-script: To anyone who says "rules are rules" or anything similar: you are insanely stupid (term meant literally). Many of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind were "legal" at the time. Legal and moral do not equate in any way save for the hopelessly braindead. Take some personal responsibility. Stop delegating your responsibility for thinking to authority figures. You're the people who would salute Hitler without a second thought.
- cjp2112

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26397

Pretty much all in here.

How about a game of one on one shinny Nucker101, anything goes, Your a wimpy little cheeseball and I would love to make your day. Have you ever made a constructive post in your seemingly forever life in HB. What you did to me with that erroneous phone number was as low as any human can go. The guy I phoned was probably your friend and friends do not do that to each other. Your a sick puppy!
- joegreif17

That is absolutely hilarious and I'm jealous that I didn't think of it. Way to go Nucker!

An independent arbitrator in the appeals process saw sufficient evidence to stay the 20 game decision. The comments in the blog only report one side of this issue.
- Just5

Like I said, based on the evidence we have, I don't see enough to suspend the player.

Like I said, based on the evidence we have, I don't see enough to suspend the player.
- MJL

It's in the bargaining agreement. WADA put it out there, then the NHL & NHlpa agreed on it. Black & white, he has the right to appeal, which he would have & was still found guilty.

"The Program will employ a strict liability standard for test positives, at the levels established by the Program Committee. A Player will, however, have the right to appeal a positive test result to the Impartial Arbitrator, with such appeal to be heard on an expedited basis.
Test results will be kept confidential to the extent practicable. There will be no public announcement of any kind until the appeal process has been exhausted and the final disciplinary determination has been imposed. Once a positive test has been confirmed after appeal, the Player suspended will be identified, and it will be announced that the Player "has been suspended for violating the terms of the NHL/NHLPA Program for Performance Enhancing Substances."

It's in the bargaining agreement. WADA put it out there, then the NHL & NHlpa agreed on it. Black & white, he has the right to appeal, which he would have & was still found guilty.

"The Program will employ a strict liability standard for test positives, at the levels established by the Program Committee. A Player will, however, have the right to appeal a positive test result to the Impartial Arbitrator, with such appeal to be heard on an expedited basis.
Test results will be kept confidential to the extent practicable. There will be no public announcement of any kind until the appeal process has been exhausted and the final disciplinary determination has been imposed. Once a positive test has been confirmed after appeal, the Player suspended will be identified, and it will be announced that the Player "has been suspended for violating the terms of the NHL/NHLPA Program for Performance Enhancing Substances."
- Aussiepenguin

Bunch of defense attorneys in here