Bunch of defense attorneys in here
- Just5

I'd like a debate over the use of the word 'practicable'! Was the author on drugs when he wrote the rule? (although it's correct by meaning I suppose, just (frank)ing hard to say).

I'd like a debate over the use of the word 'practicable'! Was the author on drugs when he wrote the rule? (although it's correct by meaning I suppose, just (frank)ing hard to say).
- Aussiepenguin

Aussie, the NHL-PEdepartment just called me... they want a sample of your blood(&hair) as well... let's just hope for you they can not arrange a whole company party out of it!

It's in the bargaining agreement. WADA put it out there, then the NHL & NHlpa agreed on it. Black & white, he has the right to appeal, which he would have & was still found guilty.

"The Program will employ a strict liability standard for test positives, at the levels established by the Program Committee. A Player will, however, have the right to appeal a positive test result to the Impartial Arbitrator, with such appeal to be heard on an expedited basis.
Test results will be kept confidential to the extent practicable. There will be no public announcement of any kind until the appeal process has been exhausted and the final disciplinary determination has been imposed. Once a positive test has been confirmed after appeal, the Player suspended will be identified, and it will be announced that the Player "has been suspended for violating the terms of the NHL/NHLPA Program for Performance Enhancing Substances."
- Aussiepenguin

What is the liability standard for tests positive? IN my opinion the trace levels found in Schmidt should not result in a suspension.

What is the liability standard for tests positive? IN my opinion the trace levels found in Schmidt should not result in a suspension.
- MJL

WADA is a fair sized organisation, the NHL is not small & the nhlpa are there to look after players rights to an extent that's fair to the game. Personally, if a player can't get through an appeal by sampling B tests then there's reason to sit him/her! I think its fine & the process fair.

Aussie, the NHL-PEdepartment just called me... they want a sample of your blood(&hair) as well... let's just hope for you they can not arrange a whole company party out of it!
- VeryModernMan

Maybe a decade or 2 ago - the party would have gone a few days as well!

Maybe a decade or 2 ago - the party would have gone a few days as well!
- Aussiepenguin

Blame it to the inner kangaroo which wanted out somedays.

Blame it to the inner kangaroo which wanted out somedays.
- VeryModernMan

How much can a koala bear?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qiMajZ6Y3SA

Aussie, the NHL-PEdepartment just called me... they want a sample of your blood(&hair) as well... let's just hope for you they can not arrange a whole company party out of it!
- VeryModernMan

- KINGKENZO

, Kangoo Hughes - with 12 years age already 6 foot 7 and 230 pounds... sadly just draftable in 5 years.

Pro athletes are taking something.

The end.

So Your Saying There Are no Innocent People In prison?? I know Its Extreme But I happen To Be in LE and work the Prisons for 20 plus years , Back In 2011 a study was done and it was found that OVER 20 THOUSAND Innocent people are in prison !! 20K!! I personally would rather 20 thousand guilty people go free then 1 innocent man go to jail .... again , this Is the extreme But You said Follow the rules and you will be Fine ... Not True !!
- chriscapo9

#Fakenews. 20k? Who did they ask, the prisoners? Of course the said they are innocent. Besides, this was a business policy violation, not a crime.

#Fakenews. 20k? Who did they ask, the prisoners? Of course the said they are innocent. Besides, this was a business policy violation, not a crime.
- agame99

It was only a tiny trace..............

Sure you can win every year. We have a commissioner who breaks all the rules to stack your team. He will figure out a way to get you into the finals of his event again 🙄
- BringNYIhome

What an idiot.

I have a hard time siding with the player on this.

Without full disclosure from Schmidt, I can't side with him. What was the substance? Release the substance to the public and maybe I change my mind (not that it matters in the slightest what I think).

If it's a performance enhancer and he didn't take it on purpose, than they better figure out what 'environment' he got it from so they can avoid it in the future. They can find patient zero. They can find exactly where a fire started in a completely burned massive structure. They can find out where this came from. He likely knows, actually.

If it's a recreational drug and he was 'around others doing it', well . . . that's on him too.

Unless someone literally held him against his will and put him in this 'environment' or did something stupid/malicious to him, it's on the player . . . and if they did he should have disclosed it when it happened to show he's not trying to hide anything.

Whether this was of his doing or not, he's going to learn a lesson from this (or at least he should). If it is all just a coincidence and he's 100% innocent, well I feel bad for him. I think there is only about a 7 billionth of a change that's the case though.

Without full disclosure from Schmidt, I can't side with him. What was the substance?
- foghornleghorn

This.

This.
- VeryModernMan

I don't see why Schmidt not being willing to divulge the substance has anything to do with whether he is guilty or not.

Youre 100% Bubba.

If only I was up there with the best..........
- Aussiepenguin

Well...with Iggysbff gone it looks like I am the new Master, and every master needs an apprentice.

I don't see why Schmidt not being willing to divulge the substance has anything to do with whether he is guilty or not.
- MJL

We could at least argue how realistic it is that food is contaminated with it...

We could at least argue how realistic it is that food is contaminated with it...
- VeryModernMan

Contaminated with what? Unless he was using some kind of masking agent so to speak that diminished the substance in his system, having that trace amount clearly doesn't point to a controlled substance user.

having that trace amount clearly doesn't point to a controlled substance user.
- MJL

Well, as we don't know the substance, any conclusions about traces and half-value periods will lead us to nothing. And even if we knew, we would just analyze for hockeybuzz'es sake!

Well, as we don't know the substance, any conclusions about traces and half-value periods will lead us to nothing. And even if we knew, we would just analyze for hockeybuzz'es sake!
- VeryModernMan

We know that the amount that he had in his system regardless of the substance was not enough to be a factor.

the substance was not enough to be a factor.
- MJL

Obviously (20 games-ban) its was still above the threshold authorites consider to be random, no? Be sure there is a lower-limit and they're not counting single molecules...

Obviously (20 games-ban) its was still above the threshold authorites consider to be random, no? Be sure there is a lower-limit and they're not counting single molecules...
- VeryModernMan

Just like anyone else I can't be sure. Based on the information I've seen, my gut feeling is that Schmidt is wrongly accused.

That is absolutely hilarious and I'm jealous that I didn't think of it. Way to go Nucker!

- MJL

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Rules are rules idiot.

There is 700-800 other players in the league that aren't getting suspended for PED's

So schmidt can suck it up and accept that he F'd up and take his 20 games.
If anything, the trace amount indicates that he was timing his doses but made a mistake or caught in a random test.
- classic321

I agree that he should except the 20 games but you nor I have any idea what happened. Just because you watched CSI doesn't mean you know what his intentions were. Even if he were Micro dosing there would still be more than that in his system so pump the brakes on acting like an insider cuz you are starting to sound like Graf or EK for that matter.