A fair assessment.

Many focus on the Sedins lost points but don't really understand we actually got a bit better defensively overall plus 5/5. It will have an impact in the W/L column I believe and have us finishing about 3-4 spots higher.

The 25 goals lost by the Sedins can easily be replaced by Brock, Bo, Sven, EP, Leipsic,Sutter, so forth so on. Don't see it being a larger issue.

We joke and joke about our bottom 6 but with the additions of Beagle, Schaller, Rousell we will be a tougher team to play against.
- LordHumungous

Yup we have been bottom two in the league for almost 5 years . There is only one way to go. The style has been stagnant .

We have been pansy asses too long, this change is a long time due.

Lefty after a good shopping day.
- Marwood

Lefty after a good shopping day.
- Marwood

Super fun to shop with.

Yup we have been bottom two in the league for almost 5 years . There is only one way to go. The style has been stagnant .

We have been pansy asses too long, this change is a long time due.
- VANTEL

We have to be pushing the play with speed and quicker plays from the defence.

We have to be pushing the play with speed and quicker plays from the defence.
- thundachunk

My biggest concern this year is goal tending

My biggest concern this year is goal tending
- VANTEL

With gold metal Nilsson in net. Fear not.

With gold metal Nilsson in net. Fear not.
- thundachunk

Yeah

He had some good games to start the year.

I love the competition between him and Marky ( who could give up more goals on the first shot)

We have to be pushing the play with speed and quicker plays from the defence.
- thundachunk

henrik 50
daniel 55
vanek 41 (in 61 games)

146 points, my bad off by four... so ya. and I didn't ignore anything, I said Green was smart and gave them more offensive zone and power play than anyone on the team to avoid getting burned. He didn't play them nearly as much 5v5 last year, Sutter and Bo took the bulk of 5v5 time.
- neem55

As hard as it is for me to say this, I agree with Hawksey. It isn’t a one for one swap of Sedin coming out, and Rousel going in. Baertschi will get more opportunity and likely improve. If he goes from 35 points to 50 points he replaces on Sedin. Whoever makes the team between Goldobin, Leipsic and Granlund will hopefully be replacing Baertschi’s points etc. As everyone moves up they replace the goals from above, and those who are slotted in at the bottom replace the production of the players who were promoted.

No one will have go from 0 to 150, they only need to go from 35 to 50, or 10 to 15 to reach the same pathetic output of the past few seasons.

As hard as it is for me to say this, I agree with Hawksey. It isn’t a one for one swap of Sedin coming out, and Rousel going in. Baertschi will get more opportunity and likely improve. If he goes from 35 points to 50 points he replaces on Sedin. Whoever makes the team between Goldobin, Leipsic and Granlund will hopefully be replacing Baertschi’s points etc. As everyone moves up they replace the goals from above, and those who are slotted in at the bottom replace the production of the players who were promoted.

No one will have go from 0 to 150, they only need to go from 35 to 50, or 10 to 15 to reach the same pathetic output of the past few seasons.
- 1970vintage

Goldobin was on pace for 18 goals 30 pts last year in his first year real experience as a NHLer

Yup we have been bottom two in the league for almost 5 years . There is only one way to go. The style has been stagnant .

We have been pansy asses too long, this change is a long time due.
- VANTEL

You forget their late season surge propelled them in the satandings. They could certainly drop back a spot or two simply by those other bad teams improving just a little more than the Canucks. For instance, I think both Buffalo and Arizona will improve by a larger margin than Vancouver. Will it be enough to overtake them in the standings?

As hard as it is for me to say this, I agree with Hawksey. It isn’t a one for one swap of Sedin coming out, and Rousel going in. Baertschi will get more opportunity and likely improve. If he goes from 35 points to 50 points he replaces on Sedin. Whoever makes the team between Goldobin, Leipsic and Granlund will hopefully be replacing Baertschi’s points etc. As everyone moves up they replace the goals from above, and those who are slotted in at the bottom replace the production of the players who were promoted.

No one will have go from 0 to 150, they only need to go from 35 to 50, or 10 to 15 to reach the same pathetic output of the past few seasons.
- 1970vintage

career years for everyone!

You forget their late season surge propelled them in the satandings. They could certainly drop back a spot or two simply by those other bad teams improving just a little more than the Canucks. For instance, I think both Buffalo and Arizona will improve by a larger margin than Vancouver. Will it be enough to overtake them in the standings?
- 1970vintage

I am not sure about Ari and Buf.

Buffalo has some very talented young players but no leadership and are weak in a lot of areas.

Arizona has a great D but their forward group and goal tending suck

Canucks did make a surge at the end of the year because they were trying to win and other teams were trying to lose . That will be the same this year after TDL

career years for everyone!
- Pres.cup

They don’t even have to have “career” years. As in, their ppg averages don’t have to improve drastically for this to be realistic. If 🐻 🧀 simply plays 70+ games at his normal pace he will replace a Sedin points. Yes, it would be a new career high for him, but he doesn’t have to improve his game, only play most of them, and with more games, and more favorable opportunities, he should produce.

If they experience injuries at the same pace again it could be pretty bad though.

What’s the fewest number of goals a team has scored in a season (82 game pace)?

career years for everyone!
- Pres.cup

Not unrealistic to expect some players like Sven, 4th full season, Jake, 3rd season, plus a few others to have career years.
This team isn't going to be a playoff contender, but, I expect them to be more entertaining than they have been over the past few seasons.

They don’t even have to have “career” years. As in, their ppg averages don’t have to improve drastically for this to be realistic. If 🐻 🧀 simply plays 70+ games at his normal pace he will replace a Sedin points. Yes, it would be a new career high for him, but he doesn’t have to improve his game, only play most of them, and with more games, and more favorable opportunities, he should produce.

If they experience injuries at the same pace again it could be pretty bad though.

What’s the fewest number of goals a team has scored in a season (82 game pace)?
- 1970vintage

Again bang on.

I was looking at Bo's numbers and Hanks numbers over their first 4 years. Bo's pace is ahead of Hanks and Bo could be hitting 60 this year.

Brock's first year was well ahead of Danny's first year and should easily surpass Dannys second and third year seeing Daniels numbers declined after his first year.

I think EP will step in and produce 30-40. I think people predicting 50 + are going to be disappointed.

I am not sure about Ari and Buf.

Buffalo has some very talented young players but no leadership and are weak in a lot of areas.

Arizona has a great D but their forward group and goal tending suck

Canucks did make a surge at the end of the year because they were trying to win and other teams were trying to lose . That will be the same this year after TDL
- VANTEL

Leadership is over rated. Like the Canucks, I think Arizona had some bad luck. Raanta was actually pretty good (21 wins in 46 starts, .930 S%). They are actually one of the younger teams in the league (unlike the Canucks) so I expect those players to be improving rather than treading water.

Leadership is over rated. Like the Canucks, I think Arizona had some bad luck. Raanta was actually pretty good (21 wins in 46 starts, .930 S%). They are actually one of the younger teams in the league (unlike the Canucks) so I expect those players to be improving rather than treading water.
- 1970vintage

Not sure if I would agree with the bolded.
Many players over the years have talked about leadership, on and off the ice.

Leadership is over rated. Like the Canucks, I think Arizona had some bad luck. Raanta was actually pretty good (21 wins in 46 starts, .930 S%). They are actually one of the younger teams in the league (unlike the Canucks) so I expect those players to be improving rather than treading water.
- 1970vintage

This is where we differ. I don't think they are treading water . I think they have a backbone now for their forward group. Guys like Dahlen MacEwen Gadjovic and Lind are not ready.

If they are then they will replace one on the roster players . These signings bought time.

Dahlen last year playing for Utica had one point in the playoffs. He more than likely will be part of Canucks future but maybe not yet. The other guys are just holding his spot until he is ready

Again bang on.

I was looking at Bo's numbers and Hanks numbers over their first 4 years. Bo's pace is ahead of Hanks and Bo could be hitting 60 this year.

Brock's first year was well ahead of Danny's first year and should easily surpass Dannys second and third year seeing Daniels numbers declined after his first year.

I think EP will step in and produce 30-40. I think people predicting 50 + are going to be disappointed.
- VANTEL

Pessimist

Suggesting bo and brock will out produce the twins career wise is kinda putting the cart before the horse, isn't it?

Pessimist

Suggesting bo and brock will out produce the twins career wise is kinda putting the cart before the horse, isn't it?
- Pres.cup

Actually if anyone is a pessimist

How is it putting the cart before the horse when we are talking history not predictions.

Look again after 4 years Bo's numbers are ahead of Hanks. Tell me how that statement is putting the cart before the horse.

This made me lol

This is where we differ. I don't think they are treading water . I think they have a backbone now for their forward group. Guys like Dahlen MacEwen Gadjovic and Lind are not ready.

If they are then they will replace one on the roster players . These signings bought time.

Dahlen last year playing for Utica had one point in the playoffs. He more than likely will be part of Canucks future but maybe not yet. The other guys are just holding his spot until he is ready
- VANTEL

What I’m saying is it is unrealistic to expect a 30whatever year old player to improve on a career average. By now they are what they are. A 23 year old player is, however, still likely to improve. Until the Canucks do actually get younger (yeah yeah, Boeser, Pettersson yadda yadda) I think they will be about the same. Maybe they improve in some areas and step back in others.

Actually if anyone is a pessimist

How is it putting the cart before the horse when we are talking history not predictions.

Look again after 4 years Bo's numbers are ahead of Hanks. Tell me how that statement is putting the cart before the horse.
- VANTEL

The Sedins were a unique case, they played the game very differently than most young players. If you compare every decent young offensive forward in the NHL with them then by that logic every team has 2-3 future HOF’ers in their lineup. It’s hard to find that many other players in league history who started off with such pedestrian numbers for a few seasons and then had league MVP-type seasons during their prime.

I’d instead look at the career path of more typical all stars to compare Horvat and Boeser with

What I’m saying is it is unrealistic to expect a 30whatever year old player to improve on a career average. By now they are what they are. A 23 year old player is, however, still likely to improve. Until the Canucks do actually get younger (yeah yeah, Boeser, Pettersson yadda yadda) I think they will be about the same. Maybe they improve in some areas and step back in others.
- 1970vintage

How many teams have 23 players under the age of 25. Weren't we like 12th or 16 th?


We have 4 players including Beiga ages 30 -33