Shoulda signed Fitz...hides
- Stripes77

I have been very out-spoken about my love for Fitzpatrick. If he's our QB the last 5 or 6 years, we easily make the playoffs more than once... hides

We could have easily offered Bogo, Nylander and a 2nd and only had to sweeten the pot a smidgen.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Do we know this for sure though

He signed quickly, which to me means Vegas knew he would, and Vegas isn’t in their division

This is what baffles me most about the McCarron trade... you really think Peterman has ANYTHING to offer Allen? No veteran back-up?

I mean, I get it when you're Green Bay. Highest paid player ever at the QB position, future HoF and you go sign Deshone Kizer as your back-up...

But you compete to sign McCarron, keep Peterman around like he's the second coming of Tony Romo and then trade McCarron and start Peterman.

This coach then puts in our rookie QB in a 40-0 blowout. As if that's going to help ANYONE.
- BeadyEyedDouche

There really wasn't a reason to NOT start Peterman. The Bills didn't want to pay these Bradfords and Keenums. Nor did they have the money to. Not that they would have blown their wad on one of these 1-2 year QBs, but do you have any idea how debilitating 50+M in dead cap is for a team? We lose our 2 best OLs, our starting QB and did not have the funds to replace them. Not to mention the sad state of affairs at WR and CB. Tre White and (frank)all. Benjamin has never been a 1. He's a quality complimentary receiver when you have one or two other guys drawing attention. And when he catches the (frank)ing ball.

There's massive holes here, and we knew that going into this thing. Fortunately, we can attack the FA market next year.

Bridgewater
McCown
Geno Smith (Yes, Geno Smith)
Hoyer
Daniel
Siemian
Bradford

Literally any of these options were 10x better than keeping Peterman.
- sbroads24

Literally any of us off the street was a better option than Peterman.

They needed centers, that's why I said Asplund
- Stripes77

Gotcha.

Shoulda signed Fitz...hides
- Stripes77

#Truth

Shoulda signed Fitz...hides
- Stripes77

Why bother.

There really wasn't a reason to NOT start Peterman. The Bills didn't want to pay these Bradfords and Keenums. Nor did they have the money to. Not that they would have blown their wad on one of these 1-2 year QBs, but do you have any idea how debilitating 50+M in dead cap is for a team? We lose our 2 best OLs, our starting QB and did not have the funds to replace them. Not to mention the sad state of affairs at WR and CB. Tre White and (frank)all. Benjamin has never been a 1. He's a quality complimentary receiver when you have one or two other guys drawing attention. And when he catches the (frank)ing ball.

There's massive holes here, and we knew that going into this thing. Fortunately, we can attack the FA market next year.
- TheSabresTaco

You could have very easily signed a veteran back-up to a 1 or 2 year deal and not had to worry about money.

I see a lot of the same excuses. Why the hell can't we find any competent OL? No one else has this much trouble. Why didn't we drop two 1st round picks for Mack? Honestly, no excuse. Why don't we flip McCoy now that the charges are dropped and then get Bell from PGH?

Not enough actual high-end talent and we do everything in our power to NOT bring in exactly that which we need.

Man, (frank) the process, I want competency and competitiveness and I see none of that, even last year, which was a gigantic fluke.

Why bother.



- TheSabresTaco

He wouldn't have gotten paid here though

Signed as a backup, play until Allen was ready

They moved up to draft him ( Allen) he is the future. Fitz wouldn't be getting paid starter money ever again, at least not from Buffalo.

Tatar is being seen as a cap dump that's why I said Bogo, but I would say Tatar is more valuable than Bogo

Asplund is our 3rd/4th best prospect and a center, same position that Vegas sent to Montreal.

I am pretty sure the comparison is right there
- Stripes77

Tatar will succeed in a slower system. He'll be his 45-50 point, inconsistent self in Montreal. He did not fit into Vegas' system. Tatar is insulted you compared him to Bogo.

He wouldn't have gotten paid here though

Signed as a backup, play until Allen was ready

They moved up to draft him ( Allen) he is the future. Fitz wouldn't be getting paid starter money ever again, at least not from Buffalo.
- Stripes77

So then logically, how could he maintain the cycle AND play here? It's a paradox.

Why bother.



- TheSabresTaco

He took the JETS to a 10-6 record a few years back, with a rookie Head Coach.

He's not a GOAT but he's very underrated. He's about the only QB I can think of, probably ever, that's somewhere between good back-up and game-manager starter.

But this Bills team over the past 6 years would be a fringe playoff team every year with him as the starter, IDGAF what anyone else thinks, he's beyond better than all of the scrubs that we had here in the span since he left, yes, even Kyle Orton.

Tatar will succeed in a slower system. He'll be his 45-50 point, inconsistent self in Montreal. He did not fit into Vegas' system. Tatar is insulted you compared him to Bogo.
- TheSabresTaco

I really don't care if Tatar is insulted or not.

He is being seen as a cap dump.

Also Bogo (when healthy) is an inconsistent yet not terrible in the right system

I did say Tatar has more value than Bogo. Asplund is also more valuable than the prospect that Vegas sent to Montreal.

You could have very easily signed a veteran back-up to a 1 or 2 year deal and not had to worry about money.

I see a lot of the same excuses. Why the hell can't we find any competent OL? No one else has this much trouble. Why didn't we drop two 1st round picks for Mack? Honestly, no excuse. Why don't we flip McCoy now that the charges are dropped and then get Bell from PGH?

Not enough actual high-end talent and we do everything in our power to NOT bring in exactly that which we need.

Man, (frank) the process, I want competency and competitiveness and I see none of that, even last year, which was a gigantic fluke.
- BeadyEyedDouche

There's a lot to take a part here, and I feel like you're not seeing clearly. Which is understandable, because I sure as poop wasn't yesterday.

But bringing in Mack for two picks from one of the worst teams in the league? That may be the worst asset management on the planet. I don't think the Bears should have done it either, but whatever. The Bills need those picks almost more than every team in the league. That should be an Eagles or Pats trade. Not the Bills.

And we have no money. We have.. no.. money.

I really don't care if Tatar is insulted or not.

He is being seen as a cap dump.

Also Bogo (when healthy) is an inconsistent yet not terrible in the right system

I did say Tatar has more value than Bogo. Asplund is also more valuable than the prospect that Vegas sent to Montreal.
- Stripes77

Montreal sees him as a viable top 6 option. That's not a cap dump. He also had 500k retained.

I really don't care if Tatar is insulted or not.

He is being seen as a cap dump.

Also Bogo (when healthy) is an inconsistent yet not terrible in the right system

I did say Tatar has more value than Bogo. Asplund is also more valuable than the prospect that Vegas sent to Montreal.
- Stripes77

That's definitely debatable. And I like Asplund.

So then logically, how could he maintain the cycle AND play here? It's a paradox.
- TheSabresTaco

Allen is going to be the day 1 starter next year (unless injured/suspended)

It at worst would be Losman/Bledsoe all over again

There's a lot to take a part here, and I feel like you're not seeing clearly. Which is understandable, because I sure as poop wasn't yesterday.

But bringing in Mack for two picks from one of the worst teams in the league? That may be the worst asset management on the planet. I don't think the Bears should have done it either, but whatever. The Bills need those picks almost more than every team in the league. That should be an Eagles or Pats trade. Not the Bills.

And we have no money. We have.. no.. money.
- TheSabresTaco

This season we have no money, but Mack is a guy we should have DRAFTED in the first place. He is a generational player and we absolutely could have managed to have landed him, signed him, and been a much better team going forward because of it.

Bad asset management is why we DIDN'T trade for him, trading for him would have been one of the most competent things this organization would have done in years. It means basically our entire draft next year can be devoted to fixing our OL.

Any other player and I say you're right but Mack is right up there in elite company with only 1 or 2 other names, them being Von Miller and Luke Kuechley.

Allen is going to be the day 1 starter next year (unless injured/suspended)

It at worst would be Losman/Bledsoe all over again
- Stripes77

Let's keep those names buried.

This season we have no money, but Mack is a guy we should have DRAFTED in the first place. He is a generational player and we absolutely could have managed to have landed him, signed him, and been a much better team going forward because of it.

Bad asset management is why we DIDN'T trade for him, trading for him would have been one of the most competent things this organization would have done in years. It means basically our entire draft next year can be devoted to fixing our OL.

Any other player and I say you're right but Mack is right up there in elite company with only 1 or 2 other names, them being Von Miller and Luke Kuechley.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I agree with drafting him over Watkins, no doubt. I said that the day of the draft as well. You don't trade for a WR that high without a QB. I will never agree with trading for him today (last week) from the Raiders. Mack isn't fixing the skill positions and he's not fixing the worst OL on the planet. He's an incredible player and I'd love him here. But the Bills simply can't pay the price. Not now.

I agree with drafting him over Watkins, no doubt. I said that the day of the draft as well. You don't trade for a WR that high without a QB. I will never agree with trading for him today (last week) from the Raiders. Mack isn't fixing the skill positions and he's not fixing the worst OL on the planet. He's an incredible player and I'd love him here. But the Bills simply can't pay the price. Not now.
- TheSabresTaco

47-3 blowout says we don't need him

Bridgewater
McCown
Geno Smith (Yes, Geno Smith)
Hoyer
Daniel
Siemian
Bradford

Literally any of these options were 10x better than keeping Peterman.
- sbroads24

I'd gladly try Tony Romo at QB at this point. Can't be any worse, right ?

He took the JETS to a 10-6 record a few years back, with a rookie Head Coach.

He's not a GOAT but he's very underrated. He's about the only QB I can think of, probably ever, that's somewhere between good back-up and game-manager starter.

But this Bills team over the past 6 years would be a fringe playoff team every year with him as the starter, IDGAF what anyone else thinks, he's beyond better than all of the scrubs that we had here in the span since he left, yes, even Kyle Orton.
- BeadyEyedDouche

That's Fitz's problem. He's not a game manager, he's a gun slinger. Hence awesome game yesterday, 3 int game coming soon to a TV near you.

That and Asplund seems to be just better than their defenders can handle. We need to keep in mind the Pens have one of the weakest prospect pools in the league. Still, we should be excited for all the good young players coming up.

Dahlin, Mitts, Guhle, Thompson, Asplund and Olofsson look NHL ready to me. Borgen is going to be a good shut down defender too IMO.
- RhinoFan

These prospects are on another level (of course Dahlin) than Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching that we were all hanging our hats on for years. Not sure what place Bailey and Baptiste have here now.

That's Fitz's problem. He's not a game manager, he's a gun slinger. Hence awesome game yesterday, 3 int game coming soon to a TV near you.
- jcragcrumple

Which is pretty much what we got yesterday

I'd rather have the gun slinger in there especially if this season is a lost cause