Late night text from my source, Pacioretty to VGK for scraps....we really are in a trade war with Canada
- washedup20

Nelson got back to you fast

Nelson got back to you fast
- TheSabresTaco

Turned on GR and the first convo is about Elon musk hitting a joint on Joe Rogans podcast, next three words: YIKES, SHEESH, WOOF.

God damn I hate suburbia

So Vegas basically gave up a first, 2 seconds, a third and Suzuki for Pacioretty

So Vegas basically gave up a first, 2 seconds, a third and Suzuki for Pacioretty
- jcragcrumple

What? How do you figure that?

What? How do you figure that?
- 100goalseason

Vegas gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to acquire Tatar from Detroit

The QB position, as is usual draws too much attention from fans..both good and bad attention.

Peterman was horrible, no doubt. The entire O side of the ball was absolutely putrid, they couldn't have played worse if they tried (maybe there did)...WRs, TEs, Line ... exactly what I stated when I gave my 3-13 season prediction 2 weeks ago... they are devoid of talent on that side of the ball sans 1 or 3 players. Scoring 20 points in any game will be a huge accomplishment.

How about that feerless D though, eh? All the picks, signings and focus, and gave up 47 points, 27 in the 1st half...enabling the Ravens to rest many of their 1sts to start the 3rd quarter.
This should be the focus of the fans discontent. Collectively, the D needs to keep the team in the game and tne opposition under 20 pts to have any sort of hope to win.
Say what you will about the O, but that performance was more predictable than expecting the D to surrender before half-time arrives.

From Matthew Fairburn of The Athletic.

The defense needs to be better. You can say what you want about the offense putting the defense in bad situations (and that was the case too often on Sunday), but the defense was outclassed. They gave up an 80-yard touchdown drive to start the game and gave up another long drive shortly thereafter. It wasn’t until the score was 17-0 that the Bills’ defense started to settle in. By then it was too late. McDermott is a defensive coach and the team has invested a ton of resources into that side of the ball. Newly signed defensive linemen Star Lotulelei and Trent Murphy were non-existent Sunday and the secondary was exposed by the likes of Flacco, Willie Snead and John Brown. Better quarterbacks and offenses are on the horizon.

Carson Wentz walked to the locker room during the Rams game last year so walking off on his own is irrelevant.
- Hatboro_Swords

and since arron came back and won the game

your post, like always is irrelevant

Vegas gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to acquire Tatar from Detroit
- jcragcrumple

I think the bigger story, they found out quick that tatar was not working and got him off the roster

From Matthew Fairburn of The Athletic.

The defense needs to be better. You can say what you want about the offense putting the defense in bad situations (and that was the case too often on Sunday), but the defense was outclassed. They gave up an 80-yard touchdown drive to start the game and gave up another long drive shortly thereafter. It wasn’t until the score was 17-0 that the Bills’ defense started to settle in. By then it was too late. McDermott is a defensive coach and the team has invested a ton of resources into that side of the ball. Newly signed defensive linemen Star Lotulelei and Trent Murphy were non-existent Sunday and the secondary was exposed by the likes of Flacco, Willie Snead and John Brown. Better quarterbacks and offenses are on the horizon.
- IonSabres

f@cker must have been stalking me here yesterday

I said the exact same sh!t

I think the bigger story, they found out quick that tatar was not working and got him off the roster
- homiedclown

I'm not giving mcphee credit for making a bad trade, and then trying to fix it. He could have saved those three picks. He made a bad trade, and then made the best of it, but he squandered 3 assets in the process

I'm not giving mcphee credit for making a bad trade, and then trying to fix it. He could have saved those three picks. He made a bad trade, and then made the best of it, but he squandered 3 assets in the process
- jcragcrumple

he got a hell of a player for a 1 year run, and if they can extend him it changes everything

Is this thing on?

Is this thing on?
- Stripes77

we need to check the tape

Vegas gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to acquire Tatar from Detroit
- jcragcrumple

Right! Not very good asset management, in my opinion, as Pac may explore his options UFA after this season.

we need to check the tape
- homiedclown

The pee pee tape?

Kyle Williams scored the last Bills TD...

he got a hell of a player for a 1 year run, and if they can extend him it changes everything
- homiedclown

Pacioretty replaces the outgoing James Neal, but at an extremely high asset cost. If they can sign Pacioretty to a reasonable extension, then it looks better. If they win the cup, of course it's irrelevant what they gave up. But if they regress this year, losing 4 picks in the first 3 rounds will kill you. They're going to pay the piper for trading away all of these picks and prospects

Pacioretty replaces the outgoing James Neal, but at an extremely high asset cost. If they can sign Pacioretty to a reasonable extension, then it looks better. If they win the cup, of course it's irrelevant what they gave up. But if they regress this year, losing 4 picks in the first 3 rounds will kill you. They're going to pay the piper for trading away all of these picks and prospects
- jcragcrumple

Pay the piper?

They made it to the finals, they have a ready now roster and the quantity to move future assets. Tater, and whatever else they moved are not significant pieces, Max is. Mcphee traded Forsberg for Erat, the long play on that shows it worked out. Great trade, I hope they grab Karlsson too.

Pay the piper?

They made it to the finals, they have a ready now roster and the quantity to move future assets. Tater, and whatever else they moved are not significant pieces, Max is. Mcphee traded Forsberg for Erat, the long play on that shows it worked out. Great trade, I hope they grab Karlsson too.
- washedup20

I'm talking about the assets they spent to acquire Tatar. This is a similar situation to GMTM frivolously squandering Garth's premium Murrancy. What was the Tatar trade if not a total waste of a 1st, 2nd and 3rd? Now they have Pacioretty, but he basically only replaces Neal whom they lost for nothing.

Eventually their prospect pool is gonna look like ours did in 16-17: Bailey and Baptiste, and a whole lot of long shots. So yeah, if they win the cup, it doesn't matter, but longterm, these moves are hurting the franchise. We're witnessing an expansion team mortgage their future to win now, which is almost unheard of.

I'm talking about the assets they spent to acquire Tatar. This is a similar situation to GMTM frivolously squandering Garth's premium Murrancy. What was the Tatar trade if not a total waste of a 1st, 2nd and 3rd? Now they have Pacioretty, but he basically only replaces Neal whom they lost for nothing.

Eventually their prospect pool is gonna look like ours did in 16-17: Bailey and Baptiste, and a whole lot of long shots. So yeah, if they win the cup, it doesn't matter, but longterm, these moves are hurting the franchise. We're witnessing an expansion team mortgage their future to win now, which is almost unheard of.
- jcragcrumple

I invested too much into Murrency, transitioning to Bottcoin is pretty tough. They had 2 drafts their first year, acquired a butt ton of picks, moving those picks aren't near a high risk as Murrays moves. Mcphee has an actual winning product on the ice to feed.

I'm talking about the assets they spent to acquire Tatar. This is a similar situation to GMTM frivolously squandering Garth's premium Murrancy. What was the Tatar trade if not a total waste of a 1st, 2nd and 3rd? Now they have Pacioretty, but he basically only replaces Neal whom they lost for nothing.

Eventually their prospect pool is gonna look like ours did in 16-17: Bailey and Baptiste, and a whole lot of long shots. So yeah, if they win the cup, it doesn't matter, but longterm, these moves are hurting the franchise. We're witnessing an expansion team mortgage their future to win now, which is almost unheard of.
- jcragcrumple

Correct

This also goes back to how their team is built. As Fleury goes, Vegas goes.

They do still have a good amount of good young talent, but they overachieved last year and they overachieved by a ton.

All of those picks they acquired they have pretty much sent away.

If Max re-signs then it doesn't look as bad, but it's still not ideal to basically give up a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd and a prospect for a 29 year old (turning 30 in November)UFA to be

Correct

This also goes back to how their team is built. As Fleury goes, Vegas goes.

They do still have a good amount of good young talent, but they overachieved last year and they overachieved by a ton.

All of those picks they acquired they have pretty much sent away.

If Max re-signs then it doesn't look as bad, but it's still not ideal to basically give up a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd and a prospect for a 29 year old (turning 30 in November)UFA to be
- Stripes77

tatar was benched in the playoff run though

it's like they were able to move their bogo/okposo contract

I invested too much into Murrency, transitioning to Bottcoin is pretty tough. They had 2 drafts their first year, acquired a butt ton of picks, moving those picks aren't near a high risk as Murrays moves. Mcphee has an actual winning product on the ice to feed.
- washedup20

And they have moved almost all of them

tatar was benched in the playoff run though

it's like they were able to move their bogo/okposo contract
- homiedclown

Tatar is 27, has 3 more years at $5.3 million and Vegas has $10 million in cap space, they weren't hurting

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