I saw that. Says he got a text from an NHL GM.

But then when he read the text, it sounded more like the NHL GM was asking if Gord was hearing if Karlsson was traded.

On a side note, I was never particularly impressed with Miller - didn't hate him, but wasn't wowed by him. But holy crap, the guy is good on Leafs lunch - I'm blown away by his depth of knowledge.

P.S. I have no idea how Carlo Coliacovo still has a job in media.
- Atomic Wedgie

See that depth of knowledge you talk about.....gord has come by it over the past several decades.
Carlo has been doing media for 4 months. Too early to judge

Thats (frank)in sad.
- Ear Hole

If theres any truth to it.

Also, it may only be is opening asking price. Gotta start high.

No biggie

Evander Kane just signed a long term deal for 7M per year.

If I'm Nylander's agent (hell, maybe I've been him this whole time!) It's pretty easy to make an argument that Nylander, as already posted better numbers than Kane being only 22 and is most likely to get better and produce even more with time.

If he's signing a long term deal, it might not be for 8M, but it's not going to be that far off either.
- Scabeh

Kane was a UFA with leverage, and coming off a 29 goal season. Completely different. Nylander isnt getting more then Pastrnak.

Evander Kane just signed a long term deal for 7M per year.

If I'm Nylander's agent (hell, maybe I've been him this whole time!) It's pretty easy to make an argument that Nylander, as already posted better numbers than Kane being only 22 and is most likely to get better and produce even more with time.

If he's signing a long term deal, it might not be for 8M, but it's not going to be that far off either.
- Scabeh

Kane was ufa years though. There has to be some benefit to the team to have control of your players for 6 years or whatever it is.

Thats (frank)in sad.
- Ear Hole

sad lol, its a contract negotiation.

I wouldn't read into anything or believe these rumors anyways

Evander Kane just signed a long term deal for 7M per year.

If I'm Nylander's agent (hell, maybe I've been him this whole time!) It's pretty easy to make an argument that Nylander, as already posted better numbers than Kane being only 22 and is most likely to get better and produce even more with time.

If he's signing a long term deal, it might not be for 8M, but it's not going to be that far off either.
- Scabeh

Kane was a ufa.
Its different.
6.75 max per.

The problem is that guys like Gardiner are going to have to go to fit MMN under the cap. The Leafs will NEED to have a good number of young, cheap, even entry-level deals on their roster to make the cap work.
- Aetherial

What did you mean by MMN? Make money now?

Oh, never mind, Matthews, Marner, Nylander...

Gardiner at 6 million or less doesn't stop them from keeping MMN. More than that however, is where it gets dicey.

If the Leafs lost Gardiner tomorrow (traded him for younger, cheaper players) and acquired Weber at 6 AAV or less, they'd be better in the short term and long term wouldn't lose anybody until Weber is 36/37/38 and potentially ineffective and still eating 6 million a year with no incentive to retire because he's still collecting 6/3 million a year.

Kane was a ufa.
Its different.
6.75 max per.
- Fakepartofme

It’s not different because leafs

Nylander sucks apparently but still is going to get paid like a superstar

Because leafs

Evander Kane just signed a long term deal for 7M per year.

If I'm Nylander's agent (hell, maybe I've been him this whole time!) It's pretty easy to make an argument that Nylander, as already posted better numbers than Kane being only 22 and is most likely to get better and produce even more with time.

If he's signing a long term deal, it might not be for 8M, but it's not going to be that far off either.
- Scabeh

There's examples from both sides that show Nylander is worth 6 as well as 7. Kane is also a UFA, with multiple offers, 30 goal scorer, plays physical etc. Nylander has no other offers on the table to negotiate with.

Kane was a ufa.
Its different.
6.75 max per.
- Fakepartofme

I agree with you (and the others who pointed it out) that the UFA status does give him more leverage.

But if you're signing the kid for 7-8 years, you're buying UFA years too no?

Again, I don't think he should get 8M but if you're signing him for long term, how can you not give him something like 7?

There's examples from both sides that show Nylander is worth 6 as well as 7. Kane is also a UFA, with multiple offers, 30 goal scorer, plays physical etc. Nylander has no other offers on the table to negotiate with.
- Unholy_Goalie

30 goal scorer.

Once.

In 2011.

Never had more than 57 points.

30 goal scorer.

Once.

In 2011.

Never had more than 57 points.


- Scabeh

Vancouver signed Loui Erikkson to a 6 year / 6 million dollar contract. It doesnt mean everyone has to do dumb deals. I think Kane is overpaid, but he also scored 29 goals last season too.

Kucherov just signed for 8.5M, Last year Ehlers signed a 6 year 6 million dollar deal who I think is the most direct comparison to Nylander.

30 goal scorer.

Once.

In 2011.

Never had more than 57 points.


- Scabeh

29 last year, 28 the year before, both with missing games. Goals per game average if he plays 82 games is 26.5. Had a good playoff too. Nylander scored 20 last year. And, again, NOT a UFA.

I agree with you (and the others who pointed it out) that the UFA status does give him more leverage.

But if you're signing the kid for 7-8 years, you're buying UFA years too no?

Again, I don't think he should get 8M but if you're signing him for long term, how can you not give him something like 7?
- Scabeh

Pasta had a PPG season and 34 goals....

That’s a much better negotiation point than 20 goals and 60 points.

[Justin Granit] When home comes calling, it’s tough to say no. Reports indicate Steve Yzerman will join the Red Wings after the season.

I toadaso.

30 goal scorer.

Once.

In 2011.

Never had more than 57 points.


- Scabeh

UFA’s cost a (frank) ton more

Unless you are Peter Charalli...then you give more to RFAs

Pasta had a PPG season and 34 goals....

That’s a much better negotiation point than 20 goals and 60 points.
- Santo_44

That's most likely the comparable the Leafs are going to use, yes.

I think a similar deal to Pasta would be fair.

That's most likely the comparable the Leafs are going to use, yes.

I think a similar deal to Pasta would be fair.
- Scabeh

With the playoffs that Pasta has had, I think that cancels out inflation and Nylander should get the same or marginally less.

29 last year, 28 the year before, both with missing games. Goals per game average if he plays 82 games is 26.5. Had a good playoff too. Nylander scored 20 last year. And, again, NOT a UFA.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes, because if there's one thing Evander Kane is known for, it's playing 82 games per season.

For 2 years hell likely get less then 4.5M. He'd be absolutely insane to think he is worth 8M per season right now. He'd be getting awful advice.
- Archaic

It's not bad advice until training camp starts.

Until then, what the hell, ask for the moon.

Yes, because if there's one thing Evander Kane is known for, it's playing 82 games per season.
- Scabeh

Patches got 7 when he's frequently scored 30-39 goals.

Patches got 7 when he's frequently scored 30-39 goals.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not to go full you here but..... there are barely any taxes in Vegas.

The combined sales tax rate for Las Vegas, NV is 8.25%. This is the total of state, county and city sales tax rates. The Nevada state sales tax rate is currently 4.6%. The Clark County sales tax rate is 3.65%.

And Pacioretty is a much better player.

Not to go full you here but..... there are barely any taxes in Vegas.

The combined sales tax rate for Las Vegas, NV is 8.25%. This is the total of state, county and city sales tax rates. The Nevada state sales tax rate is currently 4.6%. The Clark County sales tax rate is 3.65%.

And Pacioretty is a much better player.
- Scabeh

Yeah but what bed sheets did he have when he was 10?

Whether he's a better player or not, he got 7 as a pending UFA after proven he's a multiple time 30 goal scorer. Nylander can't argue that. He has zero leverage of becoming a UFA, zero proof of being a multiple time 30 goal scorer and zero ability to ask for as much as 8 and realistically get it.

Most likely.

2 years 4.5M per year?
- Scabeh

to me that's decent coin

Yeah but what bed sheets did he have when he was 10?

Whether he's a better player or not, he got 7 as a pending UFA after proven he's a multiple time 30 goal scorer. Nylander can't argue that. He has zero leverage of becoming a UFA, zero proof of being a multiple time 30 goal scorer and zero ability to ask for as much as 8 and realistically get it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Funny how people will see a 30 year old player and say "He's over the hill" and "the best is behind him" but will still justify him getting more money by "he's a ufa".

It used to be true, but it's a young man's game now. The Leafs got some great young players who know their worth and if you want them for a long time.... well they'll need to pay them accordingly.

Nylander is not getting 8M, of that I agree with all of you.... but is it farfetched of him to ask for this as a starting point to eventually get something like 7?

I don't think so.