to me that's decent coin
- zazzle

It would remind me of the Subban bridge deal alot.

Leafs should be the favourite. There's a lot of delusional Leaf-haters who will have a tough year ahead.

Yeah but what bed sheets did he have when he was 10?

Whether he's a better player or not, he got 7 as a pending UFA after proven he's a multiple time 30 goal scorer. Nylander can't argue that. He has zero leverage of becoming a UFA, zero proof of being a multiple time 30 goal scorer and zero ability to ask for as much as 8 and realistically get it.
- Unholy_Goalie

It's well known that Pacioretty had Maple Leaf bed sheets as a kid..
With Nylander, you are paying for his potential.. I think he could become a 30 goal scorer in this league. The kid is only 22. For Kane, I think SJ paid for what he's done in the past.. I don't think the Sharks will like the deal in 3 years

Funny how people will see a 30 year old player and say "He's over the hill" and "the best is behind him" but will still justify him getting more money by "he's a ufa".

It used to be true, but it's a young man's game now. The Leafs got some great young players who know their worth and if you want them for a long time.... well they'll need to pay them accordingly.

Nylander is not getting 8M, of that I agree with all of you.... but is it farfetched of him to ask for this as a starting point to eventually get something like 7?

I don't think so.
- Scabeh

I can't believe I am agreeing with a Habs fan...


Just kidding, love you Scabs

I can't believe I am agreeing with a Habs fan...


Just kidding, love you Scabs
- PatC80

Funny how people will see a 30 year old player and say "He's over the hill" and "the best is behind him" but will still justify him getting more money by "he's a ufa".

It used to be true, but it's a young man's game now. The Leafs got some great young players who know their worth and if you want them for a long time.... well they'll need to pay them accordingly.

Nylander is not getting 8M, of that I agree with all of you.... but is it farfetched of him to ask for this as a starting point to eventually get something like 7?

I don't think so.
- Scabeh

Lemme help you out here, Scabby:

Pending UFA: Overpay me, or I'll find another team stupid enough to really overpay me, and you get nothing in return.

GM: Gulp, OK.

Pending RFA: Overpay me....or else...

GM: Or else what, young man? What are you going to do - stay home and make nothing? Sign this underwhelming contract or GFY.

Pending RFA: Gulp, OK.

It’s not different because leafs

Nylander sucks apparently but still is going to get paid like a superstar

Because leafs
- Santo_44

That's what I always see about the Leafs from non-Leaf fans.Leaf players are overrated and suck, until contract time where they will get massive deals.

Funny how people will see a 30 year old player and say "He's over the hill" and "the best is behind him" but will still justify him getting more money by "he's a ufa".

It used to be true, but it's a young man's game now. The Leafs got some great young players who know their worth and if you want them for a long time.... well they'll need to pay them accordingly.

Nylander is not getting 8M, of that I agree with all of you.... but is it farfetched of him to ask for this as a starting point to eventually get something like 7?

I don't think so.
- Scabeh

If anyone is wondering, this applies to Hockeybuzz too. If you're over 30 your posts don't matter and us sub-30 posters should be getting our memberships paid for by you.

Lemme help you out here, Scabby:
Lucic: Overpay me, cause no other team is stupid enough to really overpay me

Chiarelli: OK, already done.. Sign here.

Draisaitl: Overpay me....or else...

Chiarelli : Or else what, young man? What are you going to do - stay home and make nothing? Just kidding, here you go.. sign here

Draisaitl: really? Wow that was easy..
- Atomic Wedgie

Lemme help you out here, Scabby:

Pending UFA: Overpay me, or I'll find another team stupid enough to really overpay me, and you get nothing in return.

GM: Gulp, OK.

Pending RFA: Overpay me....or else...

GM: Or else what, young man? What are you going to do - stay home and make nothing? Sign this underwhelming contract or GFY.

Pending RFA: Gulp, OK.
- Atomic Wedgie

While I agree with your point Wedgie, is this how you create a long lasting relationship with your young star players?

Is that how you'd want the Leafs to treat Matthews?

[quote=Atomic Wedgie]Lemme help you out here, Scabby:
Lucic: Overpay me, cause no other team is stupid enough to really overpay me

Chiarelli: OK, already done.. Sign here.

Draisaitl: Overpay me....or else...

Chiarelli : Or else what, young man? What are you going to do - stay home and make nothing? Just kidding, here you go.. sign here

Draisaitl: really? Wow that was easy..
- PatC80

(frank)ing Chiarelli.

If anyone is wondering, this applies to Hockeybuzz too. If you're over 30 your posts don't matter and us sub-30 posters should be getting our memberships paid for by you.
- markmark

Lemme help you out here, Scabby:
Lucic: Overpay me, cause no other team is stupid enough to really overpay me

Chiarelli: OK, already done.. Sign here.

Draisaitl: Overpay me....or else...

Chiarelli : Or else what, young man? What are you going to do - stay home and make nothing? Just kidding, here you go.. sign here

Draisaitl: really? Wow that was easy..
- PatC80

Technically speaking, Draisaitl had the option of being traded away for crap in return.

You know, because Chiarelli...

Funny how people will see a 30 year old player and say "He's over the hill" and "the best is behind him" but will still justify him getting more money by "he's a ufa".

It used to be true, but it's a young man's game now. The Leafs got some great young players who know their worth and if you want them for a long time.... well they'll need to pay them accordingly.

Nylander is not getting 8M, of that I agree with all of you.... but is it farfetched of him to ask for this as a starting point to eventually get something like 7?

I don't think so.
- Scabeh

Players get more money as a UFA. That's just a fact. And the reason why that's a fact is because multiple offers give the player more options which increases his negotiation power. You talked about the Vegas taxes, the tax situation in Florida isn't too bad either. He would have had multiple options. As a RFA, Nylander has no options. Any team trying to acquire him would have to give up draft picks too, which is a major deterrent.

He's a 20 goal, 60 point player with potential to be more. But as of now, his options are limited compared to a guy like Patches and should get less than him too, especially if it's a short term deal because the Leafs wouldn't be paying for any of his UFA years, which brings us full circle because those are the big pay day years.

So on an 8 year deal, it's 7 AAV. But on a 2 or 3 year deal, it's 6 or less.

Or, a 1 year 10 million dollar deal, and an 8 year extension in January at 6.5 AAV which gives him more total dollars and keeps the cap hit lower when it matters.

While I agree with your point Wedgie, is this how you create a long lasting relationship with your young star players?

Is that how you'd want the Leafs to treat Matthews?
- Scabeh

You give Matthews a blank cheque.

You play hardball with Marner, but with a smile on your face the whole time.

You quote Judge Smails when giving Nylander his offer.

"Odds on favorite" is inaccurate. Vegas just moved the line because a lot of action is coming from Toronto.

How many "Vegas favorites" in September have actually won the Cup though? Just curious.
- Unholy_Goalie

Vegas usually has Toronto as having no chance every year except this year so I don't buy the Toronto argument.

It's well known that Pacioretty had Maple Leaf bed sheets as a kid..
With Nylander, you are paying for his potential.. I think he could become a 30 goal scorer in this league. The kid is only 22. For Kane, I think SJ paid for what he's done in the past.. I don't think the Sharks will like the deal in 3 years
- PatC80

If Nylander scores 30 and Kane scores 30, both teams got what they paid for then, did they not? If Nylander gets paid for "potential" and reaches that potential while Kane continues to score as he did before (he's only 26), both teams got what they paid for. The difference being, Nylander "might" do it. Kane already does. In negotiations, because Kane has options, he got 7. Nylander doesn't, so he might get 6.

Players get more money as a UFA. That's just a fact. And the reason why that's a fact is because multiple offers give the player more options which increases his negotiation power. You talked about the Vegas taxes, the tax situation in Florida isn't too bad either. He would have had multiple options. As a RFA, Nylander has no options. Any team trying to acquire him would have to give up draft picks too, which is a major deterrent.

He's a 20 goal, 60 point player with potential to be more. But as of now, his options are limited compared to a guy like Patches and should get less than him too, especially if it's a short term deal because the Leafs wouldn't be paying for any of his UFA years, which brings us full circle because those are the big pay day years.

So on an 8 year deal, it's 7 AAV. But on a 2 or 3 year deal, it's 6 or less.

Or, a 1 year 10 million dollar deal, and an 8 year extension in January at 6.5 AAV which gives him more total dollars and keeps the cap hit lower when it matters.
- Unholy_Goalie

Funny after all these different arguments and point of view, we end up pretty much agreeing on the cost.

I'm off to home, have a nice evening gents.

Vegas usually has Toronto as having no chance every year except this year so I don't buy the Toronto argument.
- RogerRoeper

That's because Leafs fans weren't dropping millions of dollars in bets in the past. They sign Tavares and homer Leafs fans put enough money down to move the line so Vegas can cash in.

Vegas moves the lines in two main ways: to profit off of bad bets and to cover their ass on both sides of the line.

Funny after all these different arguments and point of view, we end up pretty much agreeing on the cost.

I'm off to home, have a nice evening gents.
- Scabeh

For the record though, Patches signed a 6 year, 27 million dollar, 4.5 AAV deal after one 33 goal, 65 point season (both more than Nylander last year). It's possible that 4.5 in 2012 could be seen as 6 million today. So a 6 year, 36 million (or less) dollar Nylander deal is also still possible.

That's because Leafs fans weren't dropping millions of dollars in bets in the past. They sign Tavares and homer Leafs fans put enough money down to move the line so Vegas can cash in.

Vegas moves the lines in two main ways: to profit off of bad bets and to cover their ass on both sides of the line.
- Unholy_Goalie

So where should the Leafs be then? They had the 6th best record without Tavares and with Matthews/Marner/Nylander all 21 and under.

Always an excuse with the Leafs. They can't just be good.

So where should the Leafs be then? They had the 6th best record without Tavares and with Matthews/Marner/Nylander all 21 and under.

Always an excuse with the Leafs. They can't just be good.
- RogerRoeper

They lost JVR, they still have gaping holes on defence, and I know I'm going to take some abuse for this, but Andersen is still a question mark.

I love my Leafers. I'm already looking forward to opening night.

But the favourites to win the Stanley Cup this year?

C'mon - they aren't there yet.

They lost JVR, they still have gaping holes on defence, and I know I'm going to take some abuse for this, but Andersen is still a question mark.

I love my Leafers. I'm already looking forward to opening night.

But the favourites to win the Stanley Cup this year?

C'mon - they aren't there yet.
- Atomic Wedgie

All correct.

So where should the Leafs be then? They had the 6th best record without Tavares and with Matthews/Marner/Nylander all 21 and under.

Always an excuse with the Leafs. They can't just be good.
- RogerRoeper

Also, being "6th overall" was in large part due to the shootout. Without Bozak, they could lose a few points there too.

All correct.



Also, being "6th overall" was in large part due to the shootout. Without Bozak, they could lose a few points there too.


- Unholy_Goalie

With shootouts, the Leafs tied with Washington for the 6th most points.

Take away shootout wins, the Leafs would’ve finished tied for 7th in points with Pittsburgh and Minnesota.


Wow...what a drop...clearly it was just the shootout wins that carried the Leafs...

new blog everyone