I think the Market has changed since Jones for Johanssen or maybe not?

In any case that was a very one-sided deal in hindsight. I think GMs hold on to potential top-pairing guys these days. Seth Jones would be my top pick if I got to choose a Damn for the Leafs but that is completely unrealistic.
- Aetherial

It was 2 and a half years ago. And Nashville doesn't regret it because they have plenty of capable defenders. They got what they needed; a C/W 1st line player and they gave up a top pair RHD to get it because they had Subban, Ellis etc.

It's a matter of finding a team that needs Nylander and can afford to give up a RHD for him. Either that or a situation like Karlsson (must be traded no matter what) or Pietrangelo (pending UFA who agrees to re-sign in Toronto).

Karlsson isn't 30. Must have missed that.


- Unholy_Goalie

He's 28 and approaching the end of his prime. His age of course is part of what makes him available. If he was 23, Ottawa wouldn't be looking to deal him.

Already have Rielly and the left side is fine. Need the right side to be fixed. So there is such a thing, it's just not sinking in for you yet.


- Unholy_Goalie

Leafs would not turn down Nylander for Provorov is offered. I don't think it's possible for you to understand that.

Nope X 2.


- Unholy_Goalie

No brainer for the Leafs. They'd have the NHL trade office on hold while finalizing the deal with Hextall before he changes his mind.

He's 28 and approaching the end of his prime. His age of course is part of what makes him available. If he was 23, Ottawa wouldn't be looking to deal him.
- MJL

Given the bullpoop he's had to deal with in Ottawa, he'd be screaming to be traded even if he was 19.

Leafs would not turn down Nylander for Provorov is offered. I don't think it's possible for you to understand that.

No brainer for the Leafs. They'd have the NHL trade office on hold while finalizing the deal with Hextall before he changes his mind.

Nope.

Nylander isn't a better C than who they have, doesn't mean he can't be a good C/RW combo. Johanssen is listed as a C/W, he just got the chance to prove he can play C because Columbus had no other options.


- Unholy_Goalie

Nylander is a winger. If he was a #1 center, the Leafs wouldn't have gone after Taveras.

Nylander does not have the trade value that Johansen had at the time of the Jones deal.

And not nearly as valuable to the Leafs as you seem to think, especially for Nylander.


- Unholy_Goalie

False narrative on your part. I'm not proposing that Simmonds has enough value to land Nylander and you know that.

Nylander can and should bring in the RHD equivalent of what he is; top line player. Just a matter of finding a team that can afford to do it. GMs make mistakes all the time, the Leafs just have to be on the right end of it.


- Unholy_Goalie

I think you're kidding yourself. Sure some GM might have a brain camp but a young #1 RH NHL defenseman might be the most valuable type of player in the league. I think you need to learn the difference in value between that player and a winger.

Neither side would or should do it. He's not what they need. They have Rielly on the top pair, they have Gardiner if they decide to extend him and Dermott who can one day replace Gardiner or play behind him. The left side is fine. They need RHD. End of story.
- Unholy_Goalie

Dubas would be an idiot not to do it. He'd say yes in a milisecond with no second thoughts.

Given the bullpoop he's had to deal with in Ottawa, he'd be screaming to be traded even if he was 19.


- Unholy_Goalie

False narrative again. I said the team wouldn't be looking to deal him not that the player wouldn't want to be traded.

Nope.
- Unholy_Goalie

No brainer. They unquestionably would do it.

Nylander is a winger. If he was a #1 center, the Leafs wouldn't have gone after Taveras.
- MJL

False equivalency because Tavares is just a better center and in his prime. Doesn't mean Nylander isn't a very good player or that he couldn't play center. It's a matter of the guys they currently have simply being very, very good, not Nylander being bad.

Nylander does not have the trade value that Johansen had at the time of the Jones deal.

Nylander is younger, still has time to further establish his value.

False narrative on your part. I'm not proposing that Simmonds has enough value to land Nylander and you know that.

You were saying Simmonds has more value than he really does. He might have more value to another team but to the Leafs, he wouldn't be worth what you think he's worth.

I think you're kidding yourself. Sure some GM might have a brain camp but a young #1 RH NHL defenseman might be the most valuable type of player in the league. I think you need to learn the difference in value between that player and a winger.

You're kidding yourself thinking the Leafs would move Nylander for Provorov because you can't understand the simple fact that the Leafs need a RHD, not a LHD. Cut it any way you want, the Flyers don't have what the Leafs need. End of story.

Dubas would be an idiot not to do it. He'd say yes in a milisecond with no second thoughts.

Nope.

False equivalency because Tavares is just a better center and in his prime. Doesn't mean Nylander isn't a very good player or that he couldn't play center. It's a matter of the guys they currently have simply being very, very good, not Nylander being bad.


- Unholy_Goalie

That is incorrect. If they viewed Nylander as a #1 center they would not have gone out and signed Taveras as a UFA to all that money with having Matthews and a 22 year old Nylander to play center. it actually proves my point that a center, and a defenseman are more valuable players due to position than a winger. Nylander does not have the value of a #1 center in my opinion. I've never stated that Nylander is bad in any way.

Nylander is younger, still has time to further establish his value.


- Unholy_Goalie

Nylander is being traded at what his value is now, not later. His value is as a winger, not a center. If he was an established #1 center, his value would be significantly higher.

You were saying Simmonds has more value than he really does. He might have more value to another team but to the Leafs, he wouldn't be worth what you think he's worth.


- Unholy_Goalie

Incorrect. I accurately described Simmonds value as a player.

You're kidding yourself thinking the Leafs would move Nylander for Provorov because you can't understand the simple fact that the Leafs need a RHD, not a LHD. Cut it any way you want, the Flyers don't have what the Leafs need. End of story.


- Unholy_Goalie

No brainer for the Leafs. Too good of a deal to turn down. The need for a RH D doesn't change that fact.

Nope.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes he would and he would believe he got the best of the deal

That is incorrect. If they viewed Nylander as a #1 center they would not have gone out and signed Taveras as a UFA to all that money with having Matthews and a 22 year old Nylander to play center. it actually proves my point that a center, and a defenseman are more valuable players due to position than a winger. Nylander does not have the value of a #1 center in my opinion. I've never stated that Nylander is bad in any way.
- MJL

Nope. Chance to sign Tavares has zero to do with Nylander. It's Tavares and they had cap space. You add great players if you can. You're so incredibly off base it's starting to get funny now.

Nylander is being traded at what his value is now, not later. His value is as a winger, not a center. If he was an established #1 center, his value would be significantly higher.

Nylander isn't necessarily being traded now. He's capable of playing center. You're just repeating yourself nonsensically now.

Incorrect. I accurately described Simmonds value as a player.

And that value was incorrect in respect to how the Leafs would value him. Acquiring a broken, pending UFA, over 30 player is not good value for the Leafs. Only in your mind is that good value.

No brainer for the Leafs. Too good of a deal to turn down. The need for a RH D doesn't change that fact.


Yes he would and he would believe he got the best of the deal.

Enjoy the last word, you've provided little to no substance thus far and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon either.

Nope. Chance to sign Tavares has zero to do with Nylander. It's Tavares and they had cap space. You add great players if you can. You're so incredibly off base it's starting to get funny now.


- Unholy_Goalie

The situation I described is hypothetical. Nylander is not a Center which is why they went after Taveras.

Nylander isn't necessarily being traded now. He's capable of playing center. You're just repeating yourself nonsensically now.


- Unholy_Goalie

I didn't say that he was being traded now nor did I say that he's not capable of playing center. What I said is that his trade value is not that of a established 22 year old #1 center. His value is as a winger. His established position is part of his value.

And that value was incorrect in respect to how the Leafs would value him. Acquiring a broken, pending UFA, over 30 player is not good value for the Leafs. Only in your mind is that good value.


- Unholy_Goalie

I disagree, as part of a package in a trade, Simmonds has a lot of value.

Enjoy the last word, you've provided little to no substance thus far and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon either.
- Unholy_Goalie

Actually I have and I've clearly provided the substance of how you're not thinking clearly. You're fixated on the Leafs need for a RH defenseman and that is clouding your judgement.