That is true, but with Couturier, Patrick, and Frost coming up soon, The Flyers don't have much urgency at center. They are very deep in d prospects.

As I said, Im just spitballing to see where the Leafs fans value Nylander.
- MBFlyerfan

Nylander plays RW more than C. In the near future, he will be on the top line with Couturier or Patrick.

Pens, Caps, Peg and Habs. LOLOL
- Ear Hole

Yes, but not in that order.

?, the cap space is not an issue when he is on LTIR. Why do you say that?
- Ear Hole

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...

The thing with the Leafs’ available cap space, however, is the total is deceiving. They only get to that $12.5-million figure if they place Nathan Horton’s $5.3-million contract on long-term injured reserve for the season. They’ve done so several times already since acquiring him in 2015 — a move made to rid themselves of the god-awful David Clarkson contract — but circumstances have changed.

The biggest issue with putting Horton on LTIR this year is (a) the Leafs are going to be very tight against the salary cap next season and (b) Matthews and Marner have $3.7-million in potential bonus money that they will very likely earn this season.

If you use LTIR all season, any performance bonuses earned carry over to the following season’s salary count, meaning an already difficult 2019-20 cap situation in Toronto would be further squeezed.

The only way the Leafs can be certain they don’t carry any money forward to next season? Stay well under the cap. Leave space for both Horton’s cap hit of $5.3-million and $3.7-million in bonus money, which would provide the requisite $9-million of breathing room.

If that’s the route the Leafs go, then their actual cap space currently is more like $3.5-million — not $12.5-million.

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...
- senstroll

Interesting.

Nylander plays RW more than C. In the near future, he will be on the top line with Couturier or Patrick.
- PatC80

That is true, but a top line RW is never worth a #1 dman IMO.

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...
- senstroll

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...
- senstroll

Sounds like we should expect a trade immediately after Nylander signs..

The salary cap was instituted first in 2005 yet in 2018, there are still a number of people that don't understand what LTIR actually is. The Leafs currently sit 13.3M under the Upper Limit with Nylander to re-sign.
- MJL

Yep, they are under the cap right now, and if they use that all up, then the bonus overages will impact next years caps with the Leafs.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

That is true, but with Couturier, Patrick, and Frost coming up soon, The Flyers don't have much urgency at center. They are very deep in d prospects.

As I said, Im just spitballing to see where the Leafs fans value Nylander.
- MBFlyerfan

Yeah, i don't see a fit between the two organizations.

That is true, but a top line RW is never worth a #1 dman IMO.
- MBFlyerfan

Our issue, is we need RHD.. Badly. Our best RHD right now is Nikita Zaitsev. Provorov, Sanheim and Gostisbehere are all LHD and I don't see Philly trading any of them.

Interesting.
- Scabeh

past Leafs management wouldn't even know about this stuff

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...
- senstroll

This is exactly what i said to UG when he was rambling on about the Leafs cap space. He hadn't taken into account bonuses. I told him this. He continued to ignore it and proceed for 6 hours about whatever he was rambling on about

This is exactly what i said to UG when he was rambling on about the Leafs cap space. He hadn't taken into account bonuses. I told him this. He continued to ignore it and proceed for 6 hours about whatever he was rambling on about
- walshyleafsfan

Those were the days... Especially, the made up claim that Nathan Horton was still getting a signing bonus, remember that? Dude, even put a number on it. Somehow, someway, Horton gets a $3.6M signing bonus next July.

Those were the days... Especially, the made up claim that Nathan Horton was still getting a signing bonus, remember that? Dude, even put a number on it. Somehow, someway, Horton gets a $3.6M signing bonus next July.
- PatC80

I'm not sure what Tavares' cap hit is either. Like, CapFriendly says 11m per year, but sometimes they miss things.

The salary cap was instituted first in 2005 yet in 2018, there are still a number of people that don't understand what LTIR actually is. The Leafs currently sit 13.3M under the Upper Limit with Nylander to re-sign.
- MJL

exactly, not sure why this is so difficult for some to internalize.

only real negative CAP impact of something like Horton's contract is the CAP overage during the summer period, when there's no LITR recognition.

This is exactly what i said to UG when he was rambling on about the Leafs cap space. He hadn't taken into account bonuses. I told him this. He continued to ignore it and proceed for 6 hours about whatever he was rambling on about
- walshyleafsfan

sounds about right for UG

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...
- senstroll

They're listed as having 13.3M of space under the upper limit currently. Re-signing Nylander won't put them over the upper limit. Based on that Horton will be placed on IR, not LTIR at that point.

I'm not sure what Tavares' cap hit is either. Like, CapFriendly says 11m per year, but sometimes they miss things.


- walshyleafsfan

The average cap hit is $11M, but he got paid $15M up front.. The rest will be worked out using a calculator..

Yep, they are under the cap right now, and if they use that all up, then the bonus overages will impact next years caps with the Leafs.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq
- Archaic

The max performance bonus money that they might owe for Matthews, Marner, and Lindholm is $4,550,000. What is Nylander going to cost? 13.3M minus 4.55M is 8.75M. Minus whatever Nylander is going to get and you have the clear picture for now. If the Leafs add more players at some point such as at the deadline, then that changes that. That's the picture for the Leafs in terms of cap and potential bonus overages on the cap the following season. The Leafs can maximize their cap space for this year by placing Horton on LTIR when it becomes available to them, but that comes with a price.

The max performance bonus money that they might owe for Matthews, Marner, and Lindholm is $4,550,000. What is Nylander going to cost? 13.3M minus 4.55M is 8.75M. Minus whatever Nylander is going to get and you have the clear picture for now. If the Leafs add more players at some point such as at the deadline, then that changes that. That's the picture for the Leafs in terms of cap and potential bonus overages on the cap the following season. The Leafs can maximize their cap space for this year by placing Horton on LTIR when it becomes available to them, but that comes with a price.
- MJL

Thats exactly what I was eluding to with my posts.

The max performance bonus money that they might owe for Matthews, Marner, and Lindholm is $4,550,000. What is Nylander going to cost? 13.3M minus 4.55M is 8.75M. Minus whatever Nylander is going to get and you have the clear picture for now. If the Leafs add more players at some point such as at the deadline, then that changes that. That's the picture for the Leafs in terms of cap and potential bonus overages on the cap the following season. The Leafs can maximize their cap space for this year by placing Horton on LTIR when it becomes available to them, but that comes with a price.
- MJL

Start the rebuild over. Shanny (frank)ed up. Someone send Shanny a calculator.

Mirtle wrote about this in the summer.
essentially they have lots of space now, but it wont stay that way..so they need to be careful when using LTIR...
- senstroll

I think they can move Horton to LTIR to pay the bonuses if need be.

Our issue, is we need RHD.. Badly. Our best RHD right now is Nikita Zaitsev. Provorov, Sanheim and Gostisbehere are all LHD and I don't see Philly trading any of them.
- PatC80

I wouldnt trade any of the key core pieces for a RHD right now. I would try to get someone like Schmaltz if the price was reasonable.

Yeah, i don't see a fit between the two organizations.
- walshyleafsfan

Me neither. As I said I was just trying to get the pulse of the Leafs fans to see what they thought about Nylander and what his signing value/trade value would be.

Between Tavares, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, and even Kapanen, I can see them being pretty top heavy from a cap hit standpoint if all those guys get signed to value/long term.

I think they can move Horton to LTIR to pay the bonuses if need be.
- bobbyisno1

That does not make any sense.