That does not make any sense.
- MJL

Sure it does, they are up against the cap at the end of the year without him on LTIR they can put him on it to have the space to pay the bonuses.

I wouldnt trade any of the key core pieces for a RHD right now. I would try to get someone like Schmaltz if the price was reasonable.
- Archaic

Don't get me wrong.. I am not advocating for a Nylander deal.. I think we need him here long term. Philadelphia is not a good trading partner, as we need RHD and they are stacked on the left side.

I still want Brett Pesce and don't think he would cost a lot..

Sure it does, they are up against the cap at the end of the year without him on LTIR they can put him on it to have the space to pay the bonuses.
- bobbyisno1

but then you run into the same problem year after year until Horton's contract is fully off the books.

Me neither. As I said I was just trying to get the pulse of the Leafs fans to see what they thought about Nylander and what his signing value/trade value would be.

Between Tavares, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, and even Kapanen, I can see them being pretty top heavy from a cap hit standpoint if all those guys get signed to value/long term.
- MBFlyerfan

Yeah, i think it will be pretty top heavy. That's why Shanahan's plan has been so successful thus far though. They have prepared for this situation by making sure they have a plethora of young, hungry, skillful supporting players (both forwards and dmen) developing in the minors, that will be playing on their ELCs for 2 or 3 years with the Leafs. Their early work has culminated in the Marlies winning the Calder Cup with a large amount of players being young and drafted by the Leafs.

I haven't seen too much that's happened so far, that wasn't by design.

but then you run into the same problem year after year until Horton's contract is fully off the books.
- PatC80

The year after it will just be salary, no bonuses.

Sure it does, they are up against the cap at the end of the year without him on LTIR they can put him on it to have the space to pay the bonuses.
- bobbyisno1

I think you need to brush up on your understanding of the salary cap and LTIR. You can't place a player on LTIR after the season is over. By definition a team using LTIR is over the upper limit. They have to fit it all in under the upper limit, including Horton's cap hit and any bonus performance money owed or they will be hit with cap overage penalties for the following season. The Leafs current projected cap situation is with using the bonus cushion.

but then you run into the same problem year after year until Horton's contract is fully off the books.
- PatC80

Only players on EL contracts and 35+ contracts are eligible for performance bonuses. Marner and Matthews are in the last year of their EL deals I believe.

I think you need to brush up on your understanding of the salary cap and LTIR. You can't place a player on LTIR after the season is over. By definition a team using LTIR is over the upper limit. They have to fit it all in under the upper limit, including Horton's cap hit and any bonus performance money owed or they will be hit with cap overage penalties for the following season.
- MJL

And yet the Leafs somehow used it last summer when they were over 10 percent of the cap.

The year after it will just be salary, no bonuses.
- bobbyisno1

Unless, another young player reaches all their bonuses..

Yeah, i think it will be pretty top heavy. That's why Shanahan's plan has been so successful thus far though. They have prepared for this situation by making sure they have a plethora of young, hungry, skillful supporting players (both forwards and dmen) developing in the minors, that will be playing on their ELCs for 2 or 3 years with the Leafs. Their early work has culminated in the Marlies winning the Calder Cup with a large amount of players being young and drafted by the Leafs.

I haven't seen too much that's happened so far, that wasn't by design.
- walshyleafsfan

Both our franchises are in the same boat. The Leafs are where the Flyers hope to be in 2 seasons. Both have deep prospect pools and young NHL lineups. And we saw the way the Marlies spanked the Phantoms in the Calder semis. The Phantoms got a huge influx of talent coming this season as well.

Only players on EL contracts and 35+ contracts are eligible for performance bonuses. Marner and Matthews are in the last year of their EL deals I believe.
- MJL

We have Liljegren, Sandin coming up, plus a lot of younger players that may reach performance bonuses. Assuming they are built in to the contract.

Unless, another young player reaches all their bonuses..
- PatC80

Yeah, but bonuses are usually only given to 1st round picks and unless Liljegren makes it I don't see a problem.

And yet the Leafs somehow used it last summer when they were over 10 percent of the cap.
- bobbyisno1

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I did not in anyway state that the Leafs can't use either LTIR or the bonus cushion. What I stated is what the Leafs have to do in order to avoid bonus overage penalties on the cap for the following season.

Yeah, but bonuses are usually only given to 1st round picks and unless Liljegren makes it I don't see a problem.
- bobbyisno1

That is also not true. Lindholm is an undrafted player and he has 850,000 for performance bonuses on his contract.

We have Liljegren, Sandin coming up, plus a lot of younger players that may reach performance bonuses. Assuming they are built in to the contract.
- PatC80

Sandin has zero. Liljegren has 400K.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I did not in anyway state that the Leafs can't use either LTIR or the bonus cushion. What I stated is what the Leafs have to do in order to avoid bonus overage penalties on the cap for the following season.
- MJL

No I understood. you are saying they can't use LTIR, I was saying if they are up agaisnt the cap they could use it for the bonuses. Of course if they are already over the cap they would have to use the LTIR and could not use it for the bonuse which then they would carry over till next year.
They can still spend to the cap.

That is also not true. Lindholm is an undrafted player and he has 850,000 for performance bonuses on his contract.
- MJL

Ummmm, I said usually...

No I understood. you are saying they can't use LTIR, I was saying if they are up agaisnt the cap they could use it for the bonuses. Of course if they are already over the cap they would have to use the LTIR and could not use it for the bonuse which then they would carry over till next year.
They can still spend to the cap.
- bobbyisno1

No you don't. I did not in any way say that the Leafs can't use LTIR.

Ummmm, I said usually...
- bobbyisno1

There's like 8 players on the Leafs reserve list that were not first round picks that have performance bonuses in their contracts.

There's like 8 players on the Leafs reserve list that were not first round picks that have performance bonuses in their contracts.
- MJL

And none of them will make their bonus.

And none of them will make their bonus.
- bobbyisno1

lol you are in UG territory

making them or not was not the point you stated.

The salary cap was instituted first in 2005 yet in 2018, there are still a number of people that don't understand what LTIR actually is. The Leafs currently sit 13.3M under the Upper Limit with Nylander to re-sign.
- MJL

And yet with bonuses to be paid its actually only about 8.5 left with nylander to sign.

And matthews


And marner

And none of them will make their bonus.
- bobbyisno1

What if they do?

Jeremy Bracco has a performance bonus as well.. Not saying he'll make the team, but the Leafs need to be ready just in case..

And yet with bonuses to be paid its actually only about 8.5 left with nylander to sign.

And matthews


And marner
- Fakepartofme

we should start a pool to guess what rare condition Marleau suddenly comes down with that makes him unable to play after this season

Don't get me wrong.. I am not advocating for a Nylander deal.. I think we need him here long term. Philadelphia is not a good trading partner, as we need RHD and they are stacked on the left side.

I still want Brett Pesce and don't think he would cost a lot..
- PatC80

now that Carolina has Hamilton on the right side...

conversations around Pesce might be a little more straightforward....

IF somehow a deal - likely 2 player for 2 player around Gardiner could work... and would allow the Canes to cheap out which they always seem to prefer.